13900K is crazy loud.

[Drzeww]

Hello.
From month i am using the new platform on z790 and 13900k, from beginning my 280MM AIO was very loud but i'd accept it.
At least after month its really started annoying me, i have feeling while opening some new tab in browser or some utility program my PC will fly away.
CPU is not undervolted and the max temp VALUE in basic using, some browser, photoshop can hit max 77 degrees for 1second then drop down to 40 degrees...
I checked all the options in bios (smart fan 6) silent, normal, but all of those have the same issue in basic PC usage, i saw there s an option to set it up manually, but i have no idea how to do it properly.
Here s the screenshots from these profiles, system 1 is AIO.



I'm really regret that i wont took AMD CPU, as i know there s no dumb issues like that.

 

[oldwalltree]

This is not an actual issue, you just need to set the fan curve up. I always correlate the temp & speed for my fans so, if the CPU is @ 70 the fans will be at 70% and so on. Someone probably has a perfectly optimized fan curve out there for a 13900k.

 

[Drzeww]

This is not an actual issue, you just need to set the fan curve up. I always correlate the temp & speed for my fans so, if the CPU is @ 70 the fans will be at 70% and so on. Someone probably has a perfectly optimized fan curve out there for a 13900k.

You know maybe who?
I'm also think about Undervolt it to 1.1V and limit the ALL Core ratio to 52, its insane how loud it is.

 

[Franz]

Whats the AIO do you have? When you use water to cool, the fans rpm must be oriented by water temperature. 40 to 77C is a huge spike, I recommend you dismount the cold plate and verify the thermal paste spread and serch for lack of pression or non flat surfaces.

And dont worry, you made a good choice, amd have the dumbest issue in idle power consumption

 

[Solaris17]

Sounds more like a heuristics issue.
The cpu cores will spike rapidly on these chips and dip back down. It sounds like your fans are adjusting RPM on point measurement. You need to see if you can enable heuristics on the fans or adjust the timing/gap you need to slow down how fast your fans are responding to temp fluctuations.

 

[Drzeww]

Sounds more like a heuristics issue.
The cpu cores will spike rapidly on these chips and dip back down. It sounds like your fans are adjusting RPM on point measurement. You need to see if you can enable heuristics on the fans or adjust the timing/gap you need to slow down how fast your fans are responding to temp fluctuations.

First time I hear about it, its not enough just to edit that fan curve?

 

[Solaris17]

First time I hear about it, its not enough just to edit that fan curve?

IDK. heuristics has been part of the fan settings in almost all of my boards since socket A. You would have to poke around your model to see if it supports it.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Only way to calm down a 13900k is power limit it not fan curves.

 

[Drzeww]

Hi,
Only way to calm down a 13900k is power limit it not fan curves.

What is the best method to do it?
Undervolt, limit the All Core Ratio, what else?
It will harm the performance significantly?
I cant even imagine person who'll use the PC with that CPU on the desk instead of under, probably become deaf up to 2 weeks

All what i want is just make these fans quieter in basic usage.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
@W1zzard has a review on it

Intel Core i9-13900K Review - Power-Hungry Beast

With the Core i9-13900K, Intel delivers impressive performance. Our in-depth review confirms: Raptor Lake is the world's fastest CPU for gaming. Even in applications the processor is able to match AMD's Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X flagship. If only power consumption wasn't so high...

www.techpowerup.com

Intel "Raptor Lake" i9-13900K Sees 14% Performance Boost with Power-Limit Unlocks

The upcoming 13th Gen Core i9-13900K "Raptor Lake" 8P+16E core processor offers a significant multi-threaded performance increase with its power-limits relaxed, according to Cinebench R23 testing unearthed by OneRaichu. In its default settings, with stock power limits, the i9-13900K draws up to...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Drzeww]

Hi,
@W1zzard has a review on it

Intel Core i9-13900K Review - Power-Hungry Beast

With the Core i9-13900K, Intel delivers impressive performance. Our in-depth review confirms: Raptor Lake is the world's fastest CPU for gaming. Even in applications the processor is able to match AMD's Zen 4 Ryzen 9 7950X flagship. If only power consumption wasn't so high...

www.techpowerup.com

Intel "Raptor Lake" i9-13900K Sees 14% Performance Boost with Power-Limit Unlocks

The upcoming 13th Gen Core i9-13900K "Raptor Lake" 8P+16E core processor offers a significant multi-threaded performance increase with its power-limits relaxed, according to Cinebench R23 testing unearthed by OneRaichu. In its default settings, with stock power limits, the i9-13900K draws up to...

www.techpowerup.com

I cant find any information there about my issue, just about Overclocking.

 

[Vario]

You need to set up your fan curve, don't blame the processor, all the modern processors run hot (both Intel and AMD) and require a lot of cooling. Consider buying better fans as well.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
He should have one for 13 series but here's the 12 series which is pretty much the same

Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake Tested at Power Limits between 50 W and 241 W

We test Intel's Core i9-12900K at various TDP levels all the way down to 50 W to determine how much efficiency is really in the new Alder Lake core, and how these power limits affect performance. Competing with the efficiency of AMD's Zen 3 Ryzen lineup is just two settings changes away.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ir_cow]

70c is low for 13900K. It can go to 100c and be just fine.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
On a gigabyte board advanced cpu settings

 

[Vario]

IDK. heuristics has been part of the fan settings in almost all of my boards since socket A. You would have to poke around your model to see if it supports it.

The fan hysteresis is the "Temperature Interval" portion of his fan curve, and the max for Gigabyte is only 3 seconds of temperature interval. This means every 3 seconds it considers changing the fan curve. Some boards allow much greater intervals which decreases the amount of fan ramp up and down. Because 3 seconds isn't very much (and thats the longest selectable interval), I'd instead advise setting the max fan speed lower. See the fan curve I drew in red in Paint.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Hell gigabyte bios might not like the fan warnings being disabled lol

 

[Vario]

Hi,
Hell gigabyte bios might not like the fan warnings being disabled lol

Probably just means it won't make a beep sound if the fan plug isn't connected. Probably won't matter at all.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah just in bios temp page shows 31c and another bios page shows 34c so that bugger is getting warm just sitting in bios

 

[evernessince]

As others have said you are going to want to tweak your fan curve.

I'd set fans to 30% at 60c (this should be the first point so that fans will run a minimum of 30% until 60c)

Then do 40% at 65c, 50% at 70c, 60% at 75c, 70% at 80c, 80% at 85c, 90% at 90c, and 100% at 95c. (If you can't set that many points in the curve then just skip every other one.)

You need to set up your fan curve, don't blame the processor, all the modern processors run hot (both Intel and AMD) and require a lot of cooling. Consider buying better fans as well.

I agree with all of this except for the comment regarding both running hot in this context. Yes both run hot but the OP is correct in implying that AMD is easier to cool. How hot a processor runs isn't always indicative of how much cooling horsepower you need. As Hardware unboxed tested, when you pair current high end Intel and AMD processors with a $30 cooler, the Intel processors thermal throttle whereas the AMD processors do not.

 

[dgianstefani]

As others have said you are going to want to tweak your fan curve.

I'd set fans to 30% at 60c (this should be the first point so that fans will run a minimum of 30% until 60c)

Then do 40% at 65c, 50% at 70c, 60% at 75c, 70% at 80c, 80% at 85c, 90% at 90c, and 100% at 95c. (If you can't set that many points in the curve then just skip every other one.)



I agree with all of this except for the comment regarding both running hot in this context. Yes both run hot but the OP is correct in implying that AMD is easier to cool. How hot a processor runs isn't always indicative of how much cooling horsepower you need. As Hardware unboxed tested, when you pair current high end Intel and AMD processors with a $30 cooler, the Intel processors thermal throttle whereas the AMD processors do not.

AMD outputs much less heat than Intel under full synthetic load, simply because of turbo power limits and core counts. If your cooling or mentality can't handle the Celcius results of your Intel 13900K, reduce the power limit or get better cooling. Better yet, just invest in better fans and set a fan curve. Intel chips are pretty easy to cool if you have cooling capacity.

Under low and medium loads AMD chips, especially Zen 4 are similar in terms of power draw as Intel, or actually less efficient at idle.

AMD isn't "easier to cool", you can actually make the argument Zen 4 is much harder to cool, because no matter what ambient cooling system you use, it will run close to or at 95 Celsius all the time by design. This is because of the much thicker IHS to maintain cooler compatibility with Zen 3, and due to aggressive boosting and voltage.

 

[skates]

So, what's the cooling system being used?

 

[Drzeww]

So, what's the cooling system being used?

Endorfy Navis F280 AIO Review

Endorfy's Navis F280 all-in-one liquid cooler is a remarkable mix of performance and elegance rarely seen at its price point. While it may not outright dominate its competition, the combination of performance, value, and looks make it a hard option to ignore.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[skates]

Review shows the Endorfy to have loud fans. Even says so in the review summary as a con.

 

[Calenhad]

It would appear you have a cooler with rather loud fans. You can replace the fans with some better fans if you want to.

But setting a custom fan curve will do wonders. Follow the instructions posted above. You need to basically shift the entire speed curve to the right, towards higher temperatures.

If there is a menu item to set a delay on speed changes (hysteresis) that is also worth changing. I see a temperature interval menu item in your screenshot, that might be it?

I have more experience with Asus and in their bios it is called fan spin up and spin down. I would set a longer delay for spin up than spin down. That way a short spike in temperature won't spin the fans up instantly. But it will come down again quickly if they do.





Oh and your CPU does not make any sounds.