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2600K vs current Intel (OC/stock)

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You mean the exact same web site that stated there was no difference from the 8600k to 8700k that proved you wrong? Yep not a single web site agrees with you but keep digging that hole refusing to accept a single fact.
You read the wrong review, bud. Go read the 9600k review instead of the 8600k. I'll wait.
 
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You read the wrong review, bud. Go read the 9600k review instead of the 8600k. I'll wait.
The one that says it's overpriced, I read it. It still proves you wrong and I'm not your bud. So unless you post anything proving your sweet spot statement (to which you have constantly failed) i'm done embarrassing you...bud.
 
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How does it prove me wrong, exactly? When it says that rather than buying a 9600k you should buy a 8700k? Or that they can't recommend it because it tends to drop frames in CPU-heavy games?

Right now you need 8T to have a smooth experience (imo, you may not care about min frames) in some games. So that's makes it the target CPU for gaming, ergo the sweet spot. Now, if you don't agree with me, that's fine. To say you've embarrassed me because you have a different opinion, and for you i5s are the best gaming CPUs.. kinda silly.
 
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The one that says it's overpriced, I read it. It still proves you wrong and I'm not your bud. So unless you post anything proving your sweet spot statement (to which you have constantly failed) i'm done embarrassing you...bud.

Look, you can go out looking for proof that tests the small variety of games that now run into this problem, or you can speak from experience.

Speaking from experience, I know that quad core CPUs are no longer sufficient. I also know from my experience with the 8700K with HT off that it is already running into very high loads (90%+ in a game such as Ghost Recon Wildlands) and I also know that in that game, I get not only slightly higher FPS, but also no stutter (as in - none -) with HT active versus it being off.

Reading reviews =/= first hand experience. While a review might touch on a subject in its own way, it never puts that focus on it as it should, because really, if you want quality gaming, there aren't a huge lot of CPUs capable enough these days (and its not a reviewers' job to determine a 'playable quality' beyond what the mainstream says it is - ie 30 or 60 fps), and you're looking at upper-midrange by default if you seek to eliminate stutter. And, within that upper midrange, you need to select carefully based on your FPS target as well: whether its high refresh, or high resolution, or both.

I'm not sure what you (both) are doing up here throwing Gamers Nexus back and forth and frankly I don't care what another reviewer says is important or not. I read the numbers, not the text that comes with it, and I mirror them with my own experience in gaming and wrt quality and smoothness of the experience. For one that is elitist, for another that is understandable - whatever - its just info you can or cannot do something with.

CPU performance is like RAM, VRAM and all that stuff; zero benefit from having too much, and major nuisance from having too little.
 

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I suggest you re-read my post. And while you're at it, Vayra's post as well. TPUs review deals with average fps which is all nice and well but it doesn't show you minimum fps. Go look at reviews that do, like Gamers Nexus (spoiler alert, they don't recommend the 9600K for gaming).

Now if you don't care about stuttering and just want those high fps then by all means, the i5 is the choice for you (or if don't play open world games, since those are the ones pushing CPUs the hardest right now).

TL;DR: Some newer games need more than 6 threads to run smoothly without dropping frames. Not that hard to understand.

Not only Techpowerup uses only average fps as a metric, but they also use in-game benchmarks only, and ofc. othrewise when game doesnt have it. Thats why you see 9600K being only less than 2% slower than i9 9900K at 1080P, both paired with 1080Ti, both being at stock. Thats ridiculous.

The guys at Gamers Nexus dont measure minimum fps but 1% lows and 0.1% lows. They use OCAT and have their own tools to extract the data (for avg, 1%, and 0.1% lows). Sadly, they also use in-game bencharks, at least as far as I know. If they used gameplay (at least where needed) they would've been the best CPU review outlet out there.

As far as the Anand article - the results seems in order to me. If they also had OC results for 7700K and 9700K the difference would've been even more massive. Lets say Asrock OC Formula/Apex IX for the 7700K and Apex X/XI, EVGA Dark for 9700K. Both paired with at least 4400MHz memory.
 
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