TeamGroup T-Force Xtreem ARGB DDR4-3600 MHz CL14 2x8 GB

[Black Haru]

TeamGroup has transformed their excellent T-Force Xtreem memory kit into a modern marvel of RGB LEDs. The new TeamGroup T-Force Xtreem ARGB boasts the same top-tier performance and brand new fully addressable RGB LED lighting. Is it the best of both worlds?

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[TheLostSwede]

Looks like quality RAM, but it clearly comes with a price to match.

 

[Cheeseball]

14-15-15-35 at 3600? Ooh this is nice. This probably can do CL15 at 3733 or CL16 at 3800 then. FCLK at 1:1 is

 

[Sabishii Hito]

Those sticks should be capable of pushing 4800+ on either platform.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Their non RGB 4000mhz kits do 18-20-20 at just 1.35V out of the box so there is some headroom for the enthusiast for sure.

 

[nguyen]

Looking good but it's 12fps behind the dirt cheap 2x16GB 3200Mhz kit in BF V ??? Dual ranks DIMM ftw baby, for both AMD and Intel...

 

[TheLostSwede]

14-15-15-35 at 3600? Ooh this is nice. This probably can do CL15 at 3733 or CL16 at 3800 then. FCLK at 1:1 is

Did you even read the review? They do stock timings at 3733...

 

[Cheeseball]

Did you even read the review? They do stock timings at 3733...

TBH, nope. I just skimmed through to look for the speed, the timings, memory module manufacturer and the price and call it a day.

But 3733 at CL14? This is perfect! I'm actually looking to see if there is a 16GB x 2 kit because I'm very interested in this.

 

[Ozymandias]

Isn't 3733/1866 kind of pointless if you cannot achieve 1:1 though?

 

[Cheeseball]

Isn't 3733/1866 kind of pointless if you cannot achieve 1:1 though?

AMD recommends DDR4-3733 (CL17) as being the sweet-spot for the lowest latency:

 

[TheLostSwede]

Isn't 3733/1866 kind of pointless if you cannot achieve 1:1 though?

I'm running 1:1 at 3800MHz, with four sticks, so it's far from impossible up to 3800MHz, but beyond that, you'd have to be really, really lucky.

 

[SiRoCu]

The model name (F4-3600C16D-16GTZN) is tell me that this RAM kit has rate speed at 3600Mhz and CL16 it is a Dual channel and it’s a 16GB(2x8GB) kit. but NOT a CL 14

I have a kit 3600Mhz CL15 (b-die) with brand G.SKILL (F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) 1.35V.
Yes, my kit can run at the rate speed 3600Mhz CL 14-14-14-34 with 1.40V
But i always run at 4400Mhz 19-19-19-39 1.47V with my core i9.

 

[W1zzard]

AMD recommends DDR4-3733 (CL17) as being the sweet-spot for the lowest latency:

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In theory, in practice most cpus can’t run that if Clock

 

[TheLostSwede]

In theory, in practice most cpus can’t run that if Clock

Most? Is there proof for this? 3800MHz, sure, but 3733 seems quite achievable, but it does seems to require the right motherboard, UEFI and AGESA as well.

 

[Cheeseball]

In theory, in practice most cpus can’t run that if Clock

Interesting, I would assume that if the RAM is rated (XMP/DOCP) at DDR4-3733 (or even manually pushed up like what Nate did in the overclocking section), if you set that in the UEFI/BIOS to use that profile it should also set the IF clock to 1866 too, matching it 1:1. Is this not the case?

 

[watzupken]

While this looks really good, but the price is the deal breaker. It is certain that we will see improvement in performance just as shown in the review, but at almost 2x the price of a good pair of 2x8GB kit, I am not sure if it is worth t.

 

[Woomack]

Most? Is there proof for this? 3800MHz, sure, but 3733 seems quite achievable, but it does seems to require the right motherboard, UEFI and AGESA as well.

Most Ryzen 3k CPUs run with memory at 3600 but not even all. A big part will make 3733. Not so many will make a fully stable 3800. The same is with higher frequency. Most will make 4600, big part 4800, not many 5000 or higher.
If you check various results around the web then you can compare what users called stable and what they called benchable. Most results are not fully stable but users have something to brag about.
For me, out of maybe ~20 tested chips only 3 were fully stable at 3800 while maybe 3 couldn't run at 3733 stable. Still, all were 100% stable at 3600 with various density memory IC.
There is another factor. A higher capacity causes the max clock to drop on many chips. For example, my 3900X runs stable at 3800 with a 2x8GB kit, up to 3733 with 2x16GB and up to 3600 with 2x32GB at 1:1 IF.

Re reviewed memory kit. There can be found cheaper Samsung B kits that will run about the same. In games or most other things it really doesn't matter if memory has CL14 or CL16 so can pick 3600 CL16-18-18/16-19-19 Hynix kit which will perform ~0-1% worse in games but will cost half the price.
As far as the tested memory kit has great specs then out of competitive benchmarking it seems pointless.

I wish a higher capacity Xtreem ARGB as I see there are only 2x8GB kits and everything but the reviewed kit is on not the best Hynix IC. If they give a nice looking RGB then could also offer something at more popular recently 2x16GB. Probably it will be added in time.

Those sticks should be capable of pushing 4800+ on either platform.

I had a problem stabilizing Samsung B on Ryzen 3k above 4666 using kits that could run stable on Intel at 4900 ( max boot ~4800 on AMD, 5266+ on Intel). I can stabilize Hynix or Micron at 5000 on AMD without big problems but not Samsung.
If new chips will scale well above ~4600 then Micron/Hynix can be a better option, even for benchmarking but right now depends on the test it's or ~3800 1:1 at really tight timings, or something like 4266 CL13/14 or ~5000 CL18 and tight subs on some cherry-picked Hynix kits.

Interesting, I would assume that if the RAM is rated (XMP/DOCP) at DDR4-3733 (or even manually pushed up like what Nate did in the overclocking section), if you set that in the UEFI/BIOS to use that profile it should also set the IF clock to 1866 too, matching it 1:1. Is this not the case?

Many motherboards will set 1:2 IF ratio when you set memory at more than 3600. Some motherboards will boot at 1:1 up to 3800 but not many. Then you have to set the IF ratio manually.

AMD recommends DDR4-3733 (CL17) as being the sweet-spot for the lowest latency:

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As I remember, just after the premiere, AMD was recommending DDR4-3600 as an optimal memory clock. I haven't heard about 3733 (even though it's on the graph) and I guess it's because they won't guarantee stability while pretty much every Ryzen 3k will make 3600. Still max guaranteed memory clock is 3200.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I guess I was "lucky" then, as I can run 4x 8GB at 3800MHz and it's 100% stable.

 

[W1zzard]

I guess I was "lucky" then, as I can run 4x 8GB at 3800MHz and it's 100% stable.

That's probably a dumb question, you are sure you're running Infinity Fabric at 1:1 ?

 

[basco]

SiRoCu pointed out that the model number used in this review is from a G.skill kit: F4-3600C16D-16GTZN
under specification on 1st page

this should be the right one:

TF10D416G3600HC14CDC01

 

[Deleted member 178884]

That's probably a dumb question, you are sure you're running Infinity Fabric at 1:1 ?

You are correct in regards to most CPUs being unable to do 1:1 IF @ 1900, generally it's just pure silicon lottery that the IMC is capable of it, I know a few 3970X owners that are stuck with 1800IF and anything beyond that is unstable.

 

[W1zzard]

You are correct in regards to most CPUs being unable to do 1:1 IF @ 1900, generally it's just pure silicon lottery that the IMC is capable of it, I know a few 3970X owners that are stuck with 1800IF and anything beyond that is unstable.

Yup, that's why I'm asking. Some boards switch IF to 1/2 on "Auto"

 

[TheLostSwede]

That's probably a dumb question, you are sure you're running Infinity Fabric at 1:1 ?

Very much so yes, as I set it manually.
This was only with two modules though, the latency went up 0.7ns with four modules.

Edit: Ah, found a more recent screenshot. This is with four modules. That's at 1.38V for the RAM.

 

[Black Haru]

The model name (F4-3600C16D-16GTZN) is tell me that this RAM kit has rate speed at 3600Mhz and CL16 it is a Dual channel and it’s a 16GB(2x8GB) kit. but NOT a CL 14

I have a kit 3600Mhz CL15 (b-die) with brand G.SKILL (F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) 1.35V.
Yes, my kit can run at the rate speed 3600Mhz CL 14-14-14-34 with 1.40V
But i always run at 4400Mhz 19-19-19-39 1.47V with my core i9.

That is my mistake, model name should be correct now.

 

[zanatos]

does anyone have this ram? i got it and there seems to be something of with the RGB!