3090 Low performance, not sure why, need help

[BringBackGPUMascots]

Hey y'all, ever since I got a 3090 it's been underperforming compared to all the benchmarks, and I've tried many things to fix it but I'm still getting 15%+ performance loss compared to others.
For instance, Baldur's Gate 3 runs at under 120FPS on Ultra, when techpowerup's new bench states 175.
I don't have the best CPU (Ryzen 5700X) but compared to my friend that has a 6900XT and a 5700X, he still gets ~30FPS more than me in some games.
I've got no clue what to do anymore, what am I missing?

This is all on 1080p, so I understand the CPU matters, I don't expect MAX performance.

Things I've tried:
BIOS updates, different GPU drivers, chipset drivers, Windows is fully up to date(WIN 10)
Undervolting the GPU, and leaving it stock, same FPS.
Upgraded CPU from 3600X to 5700X, tried PBO2(works fine, i get 4.6GHz all-core)
My GPU temps are always around 65-70°C when gaming, memory temps are ~75°C
Removing all background programs(MSI AB gave me a few FPS extra after shutting it down)

PC Specs are:
Ryzen 7 5700X @ Stock with PBO2 on Auto
Gigabyte AB350M GAMING 3
MSI RTX 3090 GAMING X TRIO
32GB GSKILL/CORSAIR DDR4 3000MHz CL16
Windows 10 Pro 22H2 build 19045.3208
GPU Drivers: 536.99 Game-Ready


What else can I try? I could settle for 110FPS in all games, but this thing was a bit too expensive to "settle".

Thanks!

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm not sure really, Max I ever got it to was 84C, and AMD says the limit is 90.

Right, my bad, here are all four slots.

Seems a little on the warm side for a 5700X. A 5700X is always 76W if completely stock.

Not too much to be done about the kits if you don't w, you could try bumping VDIMM a bit (DRAM Voltage in BIOS). See if something like 1.38V can pass TM5.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I oftentimes run the GPU at 100% with around 17GB of VRAM usage and follow it closely with GPU-Z, it never really goes over 340W max, PerfCapReasons seem fine, but it doesnt seem to go over 91% TDP, even though the power limit is at 100% in MSI AB.

That does look OK but also try it with HWinfo64 sensors as it has more information that may be relevant.

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

Seems a little on the warm side for a 5700X. A 5700X is always 76W if completely stock.

Not too much to be done about the kits if you don't w, you could try bumping VDIMM a bit (DRAM Voltage in BIOS). See if something like 1.38V can pass TM5.

Might just be the Wraith Spire then, I did put new MX4 paste when I switched CPUs, but welp, not a lot I can do, even without a case and lots of air.
If I bump the voltage, will it automatically go up then? Sorry, I don't know what TM5 is.

That does look OK but also try it with HWinfo64 sensors as it has more information that may be relevant.

Here's HWinfo, I don't use it cause there's SO MUCH clutter in it and it won't reset the UI.

edit: the "Yes" parts happened for the Power and Thermal limits, they're also visible in GPU-Z but only for a fraction of a second.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Your 12v rail is a bit low, it sags to 11.650 ish which is just within spec I believe unless the PSU +12v low is different.

 

[santis]

Hey, is it a second hand 3090? Have you checked the thermal pads? I have an MSI 3080 10GB with GDDR6X and the stock thermal pads sucks. You´ll get 100° on the RAM chips. Even more, the 3090 have memory chips con the back. I swaped them for Gelid Ultimate thermal pads and got 20° less. Insane...

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

Hey, is it a second hand 3090? Have you checked the thermal pads? I have an MSI 3080 10GB with GDDR6X and the stock thermal pads sucks. You´ll get 100° on the RAM chips. Even more, the 3090 have memory chips con the back. I swaped them for Gelid Ultimate thermal pads and got 20° less. Insane...

Hey, yeah, it is a second-hand 3090, but the temps seem great. GPU itself is usually around 65°C and memory at 70°C when gaming, and the max the memory gets to is ~75-80°C while doing memory-heavy stuff. GPU idle can get to 30°C, memory idle around 40.

 

[Lei]

5800X3D is out of my price range, cause it would be ~300$. And I'd need a new PSU for it, I'm on a Seasonic 650W 80+G.

Probably your problem is PSU.

This is the board I had with a Ryzen 1600 (6?)years ago, it seemed to be still kicking fine, so I wanted to get a 120FPS@1440p machine out of it, and then probably upgrading to an 8800X3D when they come out.

Guess I'll save it, sell the rest when the 8xxx Ryzen series come out.

Why you keep getting AMD?
1600x →　3600x→　 5700x
25% perf upgrade　→ 15% upgrade

You got 3 CPUs that are not 50% increase combined

Imo AMD tempts u to pay for processors you don't need, only because u think u're saving money for motherboard

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

Probably your problem is PSU.



Why you keep getting AMD?
1600x →　3600x→　 5700x
25% perf upgrade　→ 15% upgrade

You got 3 CPUs that are not 50% increase combined

Imo AMD tempts u to pay for processors you don't need, only because u think u're saving money for motherboard

Doesn't PSU work like, the PC just takes as much as it needs, and if the PSU can't give it enough it shuts off? Or is there some new tech I'm not familiar with?

I bought the 1600X first, 3600X i got for very cheap from a friend so it was almost a free upgrade(I think it was a total cost of like 40$ after I sold the 1600X) and now I just wanted to get the best I could with the MB/PSU I have.
Intel is way more expensive, uses more power so I'd have to get a new PSU too. I thought 5700X would fix all my problems and the benchmarks seemed good online, but I was wrong.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Doesn't PSU work like, the PC just takes as much as it needs, and if the PSU can't give it enough it shuts off? Or is there some new tech I'm not familiar with?

I bought the 1600X first, 3600X i got for very cheap from a friend so it was almost a free upgrade(I think it was a total cost of like 40$ after I sold the 1600X) and now I just wanted to get the best I could with the MB/PSU I have.
Intel is way more expensive, uses more power so I'd have to get a new PSU too. I thought 5700X would fix all my problems and the benchmarks seemed good online, but I was wrong.

Yes, it works like that. But a common misconception is focusing solely on wattage. These GPUs demand a lot of current, and the MSI X Trio 3090 is a triple 8-pin card. Just very recently another forum user posted a picture of his 3090 who had caught fire due to usage with a low-wattage PSU, I bet their problem was caused by a thin gauge PSU wire who was overloaded with current, heated and damaged their card.

I do not recommend skimping on PSU ever, protect your investment and purchase a new power supply. Scrounge a bit if you must, this is very important! Check this website, all power supplies on tiers A and B are well acceptable, do some market research on your region and buy one that fits the bill, at 850 to 1000 W capacity.

PSU Tier List rev. 17.0g - Cultists Network

PSU Tier List will help you to choose the best PSU out of hundreds of models on the market. From budget to the highest end Power Supplies.

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Regarding your testmem5 result: you should not have any errors in TM5, if anything pops up your memory is unstable and will produce errors. Some of these errors can be corrected at the cost of performance, others cannot - and there is a chance that your machine will crash unpredictably + that you may also get incorrect addresses, causing false positives on software like anti-cheats that may ban you for memory tampering. I wouldn't recommend.

Try removing one of the mismatched kits, as @tabascosauz mentioned, different ICs have different characteristics and timing sets, your memory might be erroring out because the CPU issues commands the same way for both kits but one of the kits doesn't behave correctly under those settings. 30+ errors in TM5 at the stage your picture has shown us is very bad.

Ideally you want to complete at least 3 cycles of extreme1 anta777 profile, this will take around 1 hour and 30 minutes before moving onto more stringent testing (prime95 blend, y-cruncher VST) and surface/prolonged testing (passmark memtest86 bootable). It will report in broken english (google translated from Russian I guess) that "of errors is not detected" or something like that. Alternatively, I guess you could buy a license of Karhu and let it run to 10000% coverage or so. I didn't think it was worth it, tm5 is great, if a bit quirky.

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

I'm curious how your system would run if you reset your BIOS to factory defaults or optimized defaults - would there still be RAM errors in Testmem - I believe there you're losing performance as the system is wasting time recovering/repairing the right values from RAM.

I had to do that actually, when flashing to the versions i needed for the 5xxx series. The program got screwed up and I had to reset everything.

Yes, it works like that. But a common misconception is focusing solely on wattage. These GPUs demand a lot of current, and the MSI X Trio 3090 is a triple 8-pin card. Just very recently another forum user posted a picture of his 3090 who had caught fire due to usage with a low-wattage PSU, I bet their problem was caused by a thin gauge PSU wire who was overloaded with current, heated and damaged their card.

I do not recommend skimping on PSU ever, protect your investment and purchase a new power supply. Scrounge a bit if you must, this is very important! Check this website, all power supplies on tiers A and B are well acceptable, do some market research on your region and buy one that fits the bill, at 850 to 1000 W capacity.

PSU Tier List rev. 17.0g - Cultists Network

PSU Tier List will help you to choose the best PSU out of hundreds of models on the market. From budget to the highest end Power Supplies.

cultists.network

Regarding your testmem5 result: you should not have any errors in TM5, if anything pops up your memory is unstable and will produce errors. Some of these errors can be corrected at the cost of performance, others cannot - and there is a chance that your machine will crash unpredictably + that you may also get incorrect addresses, causing false positives on software like anti-cheats that may ban you for memory tampering. I wouldn't recommend.

Try removing one of the mismatched kits, as @tabascosauz mentioned, different ICs have different characteristics and timing sets, your memory might be erroring out because the CPU issues commands the same way for both kits but one of the kits doesn't behave correctly under those settings. 30+ errors in TM5 at the stage your picture has shown us is very bad.

Ideally you want to complete at least 3 cycles of extreme1 anta777 profile, this will take around 1 hour and 30 minutes before moving onto more stringent testing (prime95 blend, y-cruncher VST) and surface/prolonged testing (passmark memtest86 bootable). It will report in broken english (google translated from Russian I guess) that "of errors is not detected" or something like that. Alternatively, I guess you could buy a license of Karhu and let it run to 10000% coverage or so. I didn't think it was worth it, tm5 is great, if a bit quirky.

I'll definitely do that, then, and get something 850W. The one I've got is in the A-tier which is good cause it cost me 120$ or something at the time. It'll just have to wait a few months. Speaking of power cables though, since the PC is on my table with no case, I often feel the cables with my hands and they don't feel hot, maybe 40°C at full load?

But yeah, after this thread I'm definitely selling everything except the GPU and getting a proper setup in a few months.

 

[ixi]

Get higher performance ram. Check mobo temps after few minutes when gaming. AMD cpu's loves RAM :}.

You have RAM kits from two different vendors. If can, ask your friend to give his RAM for testing purpose (ideal would be kit of 2). And populate the right slots as said in manual.

Not sure on this how big the difference would be, but your mobo b350 is pci-e 3 while chipset B550 is 4. Maybe that would make difference as well.

There are overviews from tpu reviews. Like https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/ this is different gpu, but you can look through it too.

 

[ViperXZ]

Okay these are the scores(in attachments), and from looking up others' CPU scores, they get around 12000+, when i get only 10000. I see their 5700X-es stay at 4.6GHz, while TimeSpy tells me my Max clock is 4.6, but my average is 3.8.
Only thing that would make sense here is their Average Temps are ~60°C, my average CPU temp is 71°C(often goes to 80-ish).


I guess I'm just going by random online reviews, all of them say most of the time the 3090 is better, but yeah, probably like you said, AMD GPUs age like wine, hah.
Running that Testmem config now, i ran a different one by accident but it didn't show any errors. Zentimings are in attachments, I honestly don't really want to mess with RAM OC-ing, it's a bit out of my scope.

I paid 130$(after selling my 3600X) for the 5700X new(in an actual legit store IRL, not aliexpress), so while I feel like I got a good deal, not sure if it was worth it...

5800X3D is out of my price range, cause it would be ~300$. And I'd need a new PSU for it, I'm on a Seasonic 650W 80+G.

You could try a better cooler, but it could very well be the board itself which is kinda sub-par and slows down the CPU compared to newer/better boards.

 

[AnotherReader]

Probably your problem is PSU.



Why you keep getting AMD?
1600x →　3600x→　 5700x
25% perf upgrade　→ 15% upgrade

You got 3 CPUs that are not 50% increase combined

Imo AMD tempts u to pay for processors you don't need, only because u think u're saving money for motherboard

According to TPU, the 5700X is close to a 21% increase over the 3600X in gaming at 1080p. I think switching to better, matched RAM kits would be the way to go. Even a B350 board shouldn't hold back a 5700X as that chip's power draw in gaming is rather low. However, the board might not work well with faster RAM, e.g. DDR4 3600 CL16 or better. In that case, B550 motherboards can be found at decent prices.

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

According to TPU, the 5700X is close to a 21% increase over the 3600X in gaming at 1080p. I think switching to better, matched RAM kits would be the way to go. Even a B350 board shouldn't hold back a 5700X as that chip's power draw in gaming is rather low. However, the board might not work well with faster RAM, e.g. DDR4 3600 CL16 or better. In that case, B550 motherboards can be found at decent prices.

Yeah, it only supports 3200MHz max, but even the used boards get very close to the price of new ones, which is just a big no-no.

 

[AnotherReader]

Yeah, it only supports 3200MHz max, but even the used boards get very close to the price of new ones, which is just a big no-no.

Pricing is local, but here the ASRock B550M Phantom Gaming 4 is available for $100 after a rebate which works out to about 74 USD before tax.

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

Pricing is local, but here the ASRock B550M Phantom Gaming 4 is available for $100 after a rebate which works out to about 74 USD before tax.

it's about 110$ where I'm at, it's just not worth it. I'll wait a few more months and get the 8800X3D or something, and sell this PC as a whole.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

it's about 110$ where I'm at, it's just not worth it. I'll wait a few more months and get the 8800X3D or something, and sell this PC as a whole.

8800X3D is probably at least a year out do you mean 7800X3D?

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

8800X3D is probably at least a year out do you mean 7800X3D?

A year? Isn't it supposed to be Q1 2024 or something similar? With all the problems i keep hearing about AM5 and 7xxx CPUs dying, I'd rather kinda just skip that gen.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

A year? Isn't it supposed to be Q1 2024 or something similar? With all the problems i keep hearing about AM5 and 7xxx CPUs dying, I'd rather kinda just skip that gen.

That's likely just vanilla 8000 with X3D parts 3 ish months later.


I wouldn't be overly worried about the 7000 series dying though that was corrected in a bios update and was pretty limited as it is.

 

[tabascosauz]

A year? Isn't it supposed to be Q1 2024 or something similar? With all the problems i keep hearing about AM5 and 7xxx CPUs dying, I'd rather kinda just skip that gen.

7800X3D only came out in like, April. And X3D in general should always be delayed behind regular parts.

It is still AM5, not sure what you expect will change. Most likely as with past gens and sockets AMD will not change most of the design (ie. IO die) until it is absolutely necessary. So far there really has been no definitive answer as to what caused the failures; the 1.3V limit imposed in AGESA helps avoid it but no one really got to the bottom of the cause itself. The catastrophic failures affected all AM5, so

I wouldn't be avoiding 7800X3D based on that old news, they havent been exploding for a long while.

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

7800X3D only came out in like, April. And X3D in general should always be delayed behind regular parts.

It is still AM5, not sure what you expect will change. Most likely as with past gens and sockets AMD will not change most of the design (ie. IO die) until it is absolutely necessary. So far there really has been no definitive answer as to what caused the failures; the 1.3V limit imposed in AGESA helps avoid it but no one really got to the bottom of the cause itself. The catastrophic failures affected all AM5, so

I wouldn't be avoiding 7800X3D based on that old news, they havent been exploding for a long while.

Ehhh I dunno, it's that feeling of buying something only to have something newer come out in a few months, and I'll be all like "I should've just waited, now I'm already behind", since my upgrades are so rare, I just want the newest most-supported stuff.

 

[Lei]

Ehhh I dunno, it's that feeling of buying something only to have something newer come out in a few months, and I'll be all like "I should've just waited, now I'm already behind", since my upgrades are so rare, I just want the newest most-supported stuff.

How about you upgrade to a 7700x now and then a 9800x3d?
This way you're not suffocating your rtx3090 for another year.
Plus one socket gets two wives, think about it.

 

[BringBackGPUMascots]

How about you upgrade to a 7700x now and then a 9800x3d?
This way you're not suffocating your rtx3090 for another year.
Plus one socket gets two wives, think about it.

It's the price mainly, the difference between a 7800X3D and a 7700X is 50€, but both are too expensive for now(until I get another job, hence this entire thread of trying to optimize it). If i sold the 5700X with the 32GB RAM and the motherboard I could afford an AM5 board and some proper, good speed RAM, but I'd still be missing ~650€ for the CPU, a proper cooler and the PSU.

Speaking of DDR5, why is it all like, 6000MT/s with CL40, and is that even good RAM? I'm looking at some Patriot Viper sticks, 16x2, 6000MT/s, CL40, since I don't want to skimp on RAM for my future build.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It's the price mainly, the difference between a 7800X3D and a 7700X is 50€, but both are too expensive for now(until I get another job, hence this entire thread of trying to optimize it). If i sold the 5700X with the 32GB RAM and the motherboard I could afford an AM5 board and some proper, good speed RAM, but I'd still be missing ~650€ for the CPU, a proper cooler and the PSU.

Speaking of DDR5, why is it all like, 6000MT/s with CL40, and is that even good RAM? I'm looking at some Patriot Viper sticks, 16x2, 6000MT/s, CL40, since I don't want to skimp on RAM for my future build.

With X3D the ram doesn't matter as much.

 

[tabascosauz]

It's the price mainly, the difference between a 7800X3D and a 7700X is 50€, but both are too expensive for now(until I get another job, hence this entire thread of trying to optimize it). If i sold the 5700X with the 32GB RAM and the motherboard I could afford an AM5 board and some proper, good speed RAM, but I'd still be missing ~650€ for the CPU, a proper cooler and the PSU.

Speaking of DDR5, why is it all like, 6000MT/s with CL40, and is that even good RAM? I'm looking at some Patriot Viper sticks, 16x2, 6000MT/s, CL40, since I don't want to skimp on RAM for my future build.

6000CL40 is pretty trash tier, but Europe might not have such good availability of low priced 6000/6200/6400 CL30/CL32/CL34 fare, so I dunno if that's all you can find over there.

It's an unenviable position be stuck in, I guess. Seems like a good idea to wait for new CPUs if you can't find a good deal on a 5800X3D.