5070ti or 9070xt?

[lilhasselhoffer]

Kind of still leaning towards the 9070xt xfx Mercury OC card I know it's a bit louder than the rest, but I like the hot-spot and Memory temps being low on this card plus 35db isn't to bad when I wear headphones anyway....

Just don't want to risk a low end 5070ti, plus I'm starting to see alot of issues around nvidia driver issues.....just watched a gamers nexus and jayz2cent video on nvidia driver issues on 50 series cards.....funny as I thought amd were supposed to be the driver issue brigade?

So...are you using a game that uses 32 bit Physx? If you are, you won't be with the new card.
Is it the first 90 days of launch? If it is, there are programs absolutely borked by the new drivers. If not, it's gotten better.

AMD has historically gotten roasted for driver issues. They generally have them fixed, and the 9070xt has been stable for the couple of months (did not buy at launch). Again, this may vary a bit with other software, but my Nvidia issues have also cleared (not on the gaming side, on the professional side...I can't game on work hardware). That said, if you're willing to spend this kind of money you should be happy with either card.


Regarding the cited sources...I like them enough. That said, sometimes it seems like they are rather quick to be surprisingly thin skinned on some issues. IE, they occasionally do not do proportional response. Keep that in mind when only looking at a few sources.

 

[PaddieMayne]

You're choosing the worse card because of biased youtube videos.

Again if AMD actually priced this card at MSRP it would be a no-brainer because you're be saving almost $200. But when they're essentially the same price it's dumb not to get a 5070 TI (or wait for the 9070 price to drop)

How are they biased? I've seen these guys hammer both nvidia and amd in other videos. Also just watched hardware unboxed and on most recent drivers they now have the 9070xt just edging out the 5070ti on average.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Looking at what models you have available in the UK, I'd be comparing:
XFX Swift 9070XT (cheapest option right now at £605)
MSI VENTUS 3X OC 5070ti (cheapest 5070ti I'd consider buying at £685)

There are better cards for both types, but on the AMD side it makes the price not worth it as they're really good options if they cost a bit less due to missing DLSS. As others have said, it can be a good option. I only ever use the Quality mode so the uplift is not substantial, but it also doesn't completely turn every texture into static like performance or balanced modes do. There are plenty of times I turn it off though. I don't like to use Frame Gen. that's a ghost machine. I even spot it on youtube videos now in games like Ark Ascended where you can see ghosting every time there's movement.

I haven't seen others mention it, but I do use Nvidia Broadcast for noise reduction when using Discord or other audio apps I need a microphone for. I find it very helpful in some scenarios as the quality is good. I know Discord has an ok built-in version of noise reduction and perhaps AMD has something similar too, but I haven't looked into it.

If I were buying a card today...I'd probably buy that XFX. I've never been fond of MSI, and I feel like I've heard some bad reports on other VENTUS cards, but I couldn't back that up. The next best model I see for 5070ti is Zotac Solid, which is probably good, but at £729 for that...eh...I'd be back to that XFX Swift or even consdier the Quicksilver, PowerColor Hellhound, ASRock Steel Legend, or Sapphire PURE. The Nitro+ has been reported as being super high quality and a good performer, but it's always the most expensive 9070. My brother has a Red Devil 9070(non-xt) and it's a fantastic card that runs super cool with very little noise, but today the XT version is the same price as the Nitro+. Ignoring all the silly marketing, those are just nice looking cards. To be thorough, I'd also buy the XFX Swift over the ASUS Prime or any Acer or Gigabyte, though these are likely ok too.

Edit: Maybe it's not on the table, but for the price difference I think it's worth considering: you can get a PowerColor Reaper 9070 for £499.99. it's only a few percent slower than the other two while quite a bit cheaper. At MSRP, it's a pointless card, but because most of the XT's were going for substantially higher than these, it made some 9070's quite appealing as the performance difference is not huge.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

How are they biased? I've seen these guys hammer both nvidia and amd in other videos. Also just watched hardware unboxed and on most recent drivers they now have the 9070xt just edging out the 5070ti on average.

On top of that they still recommend the 5070ti in the conclusion if the prices are close. They did use funky settings and 0 games the 5070ti excels at though is what I think people are annoyed with in that video. At least with HUB.

 

[Event Horizon]

Kind of still leaning towards the 9070xt xfx Mercury OC card I know it's a bit louder than the rest, but I like the hot-spot and Memory temps being low on this card plus 35db isn't to bad when I wear headphones anyway....

Just don't want to risk a low end 5070ti, plus I'm starting to see alot of issues around nvidia driver issues.....just watched a gamers nexus and jayz2cent video on nvidia driver issues on 50 series cards.....funny as I thought amd were supposed to be the driver issue brigade?

I can share my experience with my ASUS 9070 Prime (non-xt) which I purchased on launch day (I had been exclusively using Nvidia up until that point). I had exactly one crash with the launch day drivers (Lords of the Fallen, don't know if it was the launch drivers or the game, both have been updated), and zero crashes on subsequent drivers across a wide variety of games. I've set a custom fan profile in Adrenaline and that's pretty much it, it just shuts up and works without any weird quirks. Your experience may vary of course.

 

[phanbuey]

And I'm over here thinking DLSS4 already looks over sharpened in most games and this guy is adding more on top lol.....

IDK but this looks way better than DLSS sharpening, this actually sharpens textures much more than outlining. In game dlss sharpening slider is meh.

The thing HUB says out loud, but never puts in a bar graph for fear of their lives, is that DLSS looks much better than FSR 3 - and DLSS 4 looks better than FSR 4....

What that means IRL, with the exception of a few FSR4 titles, is you can use the DLSS Balanced mode while FSR you HAVE to use ultra quality or quality - that's a 20% FPS gap between those two presets.

So the actual performance difference is substantially in favor of the 5070ti at the same IQ whenever you touch an upscaler.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Yeah I know, if it did i wouldn't even consider a 5070ti.

As for not using any kind of frame gen, I'm more into image quality than fps, I play games such as Day Z and Ark Ascended so ultimate fps is not important for me.

OK I play Ark SA on my 5070 at 1440p with High though not Max settings and even with the 23% speed increase of the 5070 Ti over the 5070 you may very well be using DLSS. I use DLSS to reach 60fps most of the time. I haven't tried FSR4 in Ark SA as I don't have an RDNA4 card but as DLSS is not especially great in Ark (for many reasons - DLSS4's obvious disocclusion artifacts being one of them), I wonder whether FSR4 will be any better or worse? But if you get the 9070 XT, you'll probably be using upscaling there too. Just something to consider with this game.

 

[PaddieMayne]

OK I play Ark SA on my 5070 at 1440p with High though not Max settings and even with the 23% speed increase of the 5070 Ti over the 5070 you may very well be using DLSS. I use DLSS to reach 60fps most of the time. I haven't tried FSR4 in Ark SA as I don't have an RDNA4 card but as DLSS is not especially great in Ark (for many reasons - DLSS4's obvious disocclusion artifacts being one of them), I wonder whether FSR4 will be any better or worse? But if you get the 9070 XT, you'll probably be using upscaling there too. Just something to consider with this game.

Yeah ASA has to be the worst optimised game in history.....but I love the game....only play pve mind....this game is main reason for upgrade as 6800xt just can't deal with it at 1440p.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Yeah ASA has to be the worst optimised game in history.....but I love the game....only play pve mind....this game is main reason for upgrade as 6800xt just can't deal with it at 1440p.

Yup I get it especially with Ark's horrid optimization, the 6800 XT was my best GPU before the 5070 and I only got the 5070 because after the DLSS Transformer model came out, I figured I could play Ark with reasonable fidelity at Balanced or even Performance, which it does. Mostly.

 

[anonuser57]

Depends on games and the CPU you have. 9070XT beats 5070ti when you are CPU limited.

 

[Macro Device]

The best thing would be to buy them both

That's fifteen hundred dollars. While it's definitely a very good showing as to what's better for the particular end user, it's also very expensive.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That's fifteen hundred dollars. While it's definitely a very good showing as to what's better for the particular end user, it's also very expensive.

It's what I do typically. Although I get to play with most the hardware without spending a dime so it's not always necessary thankfully. I know this isn't realistic for most people but that's why I mentioned the buying from a place with a good return policy which is honestly a must even with 0 plans to buy competing cards.

Bummed nobody has wanted an RDNA4 card locally I've done a build for tempted to buy a 9060XT just to mess around with FSR4.

I haven't had issue with AMD drivers in a long time though both RDNA1/2 worked pretty flawless for me although both were only test systems I kept for 6-8 months. Everyone skipped RDNA3 here locally so never had a chance to use one and had no interest in buying any of the lineup.

 

[rv8000]

The real answer to your question is what main 5-10 games are you playing now and if theyre long term games for you. Then you pick what performs best in those at the best price.

 

[mechtech]

So my question,

Here in the UK i can get a basic model 5070ti for the price of a high end model 9070xt.

So do I go for a basic model 5070ti or a high end 9070xt model, or save a £100 and get a basic model 9070xt?

Gaming at 1440p by the way, And coming from a 6800xt.

Your money, but I would just sit on the 6800XT until end of driver support or it dies whatever comes first. That is unless you really want that RT then both are good models. I would look at the coolers and the warranty then the price difference..........I've seen card here in Canada with warranties from 1 year to 3 years......that matters to me when spending that kind of money.

 

[evernessince]

I'm looking at your specs and your CPU is rather old (6700K). That's going to bottleneck both of these choices and I think you should upgrade your CPU first. If you must get a GPU now, the AMD card will bottleneck less as AMD has lower CPU overhead. I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet, it's a big factor for people who don't have the fastest CPUs. Getting a 5070 Ti might actually reduce your performance in certain scenarios with it's higher driver overhead as compared to your current GPU.

Kind of still leaning towards the 9070xt xfx Mercury OC card I know it's a bit louder than the rest, but I like the hot-spot and Memory temps being low on this card plus 35db isn't to bad when I wear headphones anyway....

Just don't want to risk a low end 5070ti, plus I'm starting to see alot of issues around nvidia driver issues.....just watched a gamers nexus and jayz2cent video on nvidia driver issues on 50 series cards.....funny as I thought amd were supposed to be the driver issue brigade?

The mercury has the highest performance according to HardwareUnboxed's comparison of 9700 XT models so it's a good choice. The cooler is good too. It's going to be a better experience than a low end 5070 Ti model. XFX is one of the better brands too.

5070ti - upscaling is a must on both of these and that one has a MUCH better upscaler that works in virtually every game. Also overclocks like crazy.

If you can get the 9070xt for 30% less money then do that but at a similar price the 5070ti all day.

Not sure why you wouldn't use DLSS/FSR-4 - that's like 30%-60% more FPS leaving on the table.

FSR and DLSS are basically on par with each other nowadays. Wanting a 30% discount to buy AMD is absolutely crazy, especially with how close these cards are feature wise. I can understand that figure if you were using CUDA or AI but 30% for gaming is nuts.

You're choosing the worse card because of biased youtube videos.

Again if AMD actually priced this card at MSRP it would be a no-brainer because you're be saving almost $200. But when they're essentially the same price it's dumb not to get a 5070 TI (or wait for the 9070 price to drop)

Claiming that JayZ is AMD bias is just unreal. Guy is as hard Nvidia as you'll find. GN isn't AMD biased either, that's a load of nonsense.

And I'm over here thinking DLSS4 already looks over sharpened in most games and this guy is adding more on top lol.....

DLSS is oversharpened. It was an issue with DLSS3 and it's a bit worse in DLSS4 (but in DLSS4 it tends to be sharpening of textures that shouldn't be sharp, like those out of focus or at an angle as compared to DLSS3 that was just oversharpening in general and adding sharpening artifacts). Nvidia does this because perceptually, most people tend to think the visual quality of slightly to moderately sharpened content looks better, particularly when you are upscaling as the process can make things blurrier.

What that means IRL, with the exception of a few FSR4 titles, is you can use the DLSS Balanced mode while FSR you HAVE to use ultra quality or quality - that's a 20% FPS gap between those two presets.

Or they can just use Optiscaler, which can convert any DLSS or FSR 3.1+ game to FSR4. This point is moot as a result.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm looking at your specs and your CPU is rather old (6700K). That's going to bottleneck both of these choices and I think you should upgrade your CPU first. If you must get a GPU now, the AMD card will bottleneck less as AMD has lower CPU overhead. I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet, it's a big factor for people who don't have the fastest CPUs. Getting a 5070 Ti might actually reduce your performance in certain scenarios with it's higher driver overhead as compared to your current GPU.

I don't think he's updated them in a long time he currently has a 6800XT and likely has newer hardware all together.

most people tend to think the visual quality of slightly to moderately sharpened content looks better, particularly when you are upscaling as the process can make things blurrier.

I think that as well in a blind test my wife prefers DLSS4 Quality vs TAA/DLSS3 Quality at 1440p which overall it's probably better but the only thing that was worse than TAA was FSR2/3 in some implementations so thankfully they fixed that.

for me it just depends on the game some 3rd person games I prefer CNN DLAA because the disocclusion issues are obvious to me with DLSS4

OP doesn't care about upscaling I would say both are kinda weak in 2025 but around 40% better than what he has depending on game so decent enough uplift. That would also make me lean towards the 9070XT as the only major advantage is DLSS4 is slightly better and more games ship with it by default if the OP was gaming at 4k I would say it's a wash but since he doesn't plan on using it just buy the cheaper card.

Both cards are too weak in path tracing so the 5070ti advantage in that is irrelevant to me as well.

 

[phanbuey]

FSR and DLSS are basically on par with each other nowadays. Wanting a 30% discount to buy AMD is absolutely crazy, especially with how close these cards are feature wise. I can understand that figure if you were using CUDA or AI but 30% for gaming is nuts.

I just built with a 9070 (non-xt) for a friend for his rig. They are not on par. FSR 4 is very good, but limited support. FSR 3 ultra quality / quality is on par with DLSS balanced - and that's only when it's not having to render foliage -- which is fine, but if you're going to settle for that visual quality, then why not get 20-30% higher FPS?

Ill try optiscaler but AFAIK you take a performance hit for that, so the original point still stands -- you can use more aggressive upscaling with one card at the same IQ for 20% more performance in scenarios where you're performance starved (both cards need help).

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I just built with a 9070 (non-xt) for a friend for his rig. They are not on par. FSR 4 is very good, but limited support. FSR 3 ultra quality / quality is on par with DLSS balanced - and that's only when it's not having to render foliage -- which is fine, but if you're going to settle for that visual quality, then why not get 20-30% higher FPS?

Ill try optiscaler but AFAIK you take a performance hit for that, so the original point still stands -- you can use more aggressive upscaling with one card at the same IQ for 20% more performance in scenarios where you're performance starved (both cards need help).

Which is a moot point as the OP doesn't like upscaling but maybe if he tries DLSS4/FSR4 it might change his mind.

I'd hate upscaling also if FSR2/3 was my only option and even though Xess is better it isn't great either on non Intel hardware.

 

[PaddieMayne]

Sorry folks I've updated my system specs, running a 9800x3d.

 

[ARF]

So my question,

Here in the UK i can get a basic model 5070ti for the price of a high end model 9070xt.

So do I go for a basic model 5070ti or a high end 9070xt model, or save a £100 and get a basic model 9070xt?

Gaming at 1440p by the way, And coming from a 6800xt.

In the ideal case you don't upgrade, because the difference between RX 6800 XT 16 GB and RX 9070 XT 16 GB is only around 50%.
But if your decision for a new purchase is set in stone, then definitely the AMD Radeon is the better choice.

 

[cinemaware]

I had a basic 9070XT earlier this year, had to return it due to it getting too hot. Pondered getting another one but prices went mad, eventually got a basic 5070 Ti a month ago.

If you say that you "don't use upscaling" and are not that worried about noise, then perhaps AMD is better choice, if you can get it ~100$ cheaper. For me, DLSS is a big deal, hence I leaned towards Nvidia, but if you game in 1440p only then 9070XT should handle most games ok. Another issue for me was noise, the 9070XT was super loud even at 60% fan, while I can barely hear my 5070Ti even under 100% loads.

 

[PaddieMayne]

I had a basic 9070XT earlier this year, had to return it due to it getting too hot. Pondered getting another one but prices went mad, eventually got a basic 5070 Ti a month ago.

If you say that you "don't use upscaling" and are not that worried about noise, then perhaps AMD is better choice, if you can get it ~100$ cheaper. For me, DLSS is a big deal, hence I leaned towards Nvidia, but if you game in 1440p only then 9070XT should handle most games ok. Another issue for me was noise, the 9070XT was super loud even at 60% fan, while I can barely hear my 5070Ti even under 100% loads.

Would love to know what models you got on both 9070xt and 5070ti?

 

[Hyderz]

is the gpu upgrade for the sake of upgrading?
i'd choose neither ... wait for next release..
why? personally i feel both of these gpu upgrading from 6800xt is not worth it

 

[PaddieMayne]

is the gpu upgrade for the sake of upgrading?
i'd choose neither ... wait for next release..
why? personally i feel both of these gpu upgrading from 6800xt is not worth it

For me a 50% upgrade makes it worth it, especially as my 6800xt while a solid card really struggles with Ark Ascended at 1440p. Definitely can't wait for Q3 2026 for the next amd/nvidia releases. As it is I've waited 6 months for prices to stabilise and get slightly sensible here in the UK. But I am tempted to hold for another 3 months to see if the higher end 9070XT models and 5070ti mid range models come down in price.

 

[cinemaware]

Would love to know what models you got on both 9070xt and 5070ti?

9070XT was Gigabyte Gaming OC. I was quite surprised how loud it was (nevermind the crazy VRAM temps - sometimes over 100C) , because I had a few whisper-level Gigabyte OC's before (Nvidia 3070, 4070) so I kind of trust this brand. Not sure whether AMD is just loud in general or it was just this model, or my unit was just all round busted.

5070Ti is PNY OC (cheapest) one.

Also, forgot to mention, I wouldn't worry much about drivers with Nvidia. I haven't had a single issue so far (and I play a lot of different games) These things tend to get blown out of proportion these days - same with melting connectors.