5800x3d system need to upgrade from 980ti

[faye]

Given you've nursed a 980Ti this far along you really are the sort to keep a card, so I'd say wait for the 4 series Super cards that are supposedly right around the corner, and if they're lackluster bite the bullet and get a 4090. You really want to buy as high end as possible, and for the moment at least nothing else is close.

I certainly wouldn't wish a 7900 XTX on you, given current driver issues. Chances are they'll all be resolved in the long term, making it a great price to performance buy, but there's no guarantee or timeframe there.

 

[Athlonite]

I certainly wouldn't wish a 7900 XTX on you, given current driver issues.

What issues are those I'm not seeing any major driver issues and nVidia has its own share of driver issues too so I think your comment is a bit disingenuous

 

[wNotyarD]

What issues are those I'm not seeing any major driver issues and nVidia has its own share of driver issues too so I think your comment is a bit disingenuous

Faye's first-hand experience. More than one thread about it.

 

[freeagent]

I wouldn’t buy one.

 

[N/A]

Given you've nursed a 980Ti this far along you really are the sort to keep a card, so I'd say wait for the 4 series Super cards that are supposedly right around the corner, and if they're lackluster bite the bullet and get a 4090. You really want to buy as high end as possible, and for the moment at least nothing else is close.

4090 is not a keeper. 450 watts is hot garbage

it depends. You might have to remove the HDD cages held by rivets using some drilling bits with the center lock thingie so it doesn't budge under pressure. A very tight fit and i can't recommend anything. 2-5mm could decide everything. When you buy something usually there are deal breaking drawbacks they never mention.

I was able to keep using 2080 ti thanks to under volt to 850 mV 1800 Mhz and 250 watts crippled like this but it's 2-3 times fatser than a 980 ti Xtreme i think. I tried over clock to 360 watts. can't justify the heat produced. Not to mention the electricity costs. Didn't like 500 watts Heat blower gun in my face or anywhere near.

 

[Assimilator]

Oh cmon now.

Shhh, let the AMD fans have their completely made up problem. Lord knows they can't have anything actually useful, like the outright performance lead or multi-monitor power consumption that isn't consistently broken.

4090 is not a keeper. 450 watts is hot garbage

450 watts gives you the best gameplay experience possible, bar none, and OP has already demonstrated that (a) they keep their GPUs for a long time, thus it makes sense for them to buy the best (b) they can afford a 4090.

 

[faye]

Faye's first-hand experience. More than one thread about it.

Thank you.

I also still can't play Forza Motorsport without restarting it after every race, since the GPU driver crashes on the race rewards screen. Far from alone in that, too. But I'm making it all up, right? I'm an idiot, PEBKAC.

4090 is not a keeper. 450 watts is hot garbage

it depends. You might have to remove the HDD cages held by rivets using some drilling bits with the center lock thingie so it doesn't budge under pressure. A very tight fit and i can't recommend anything. 2-5mm could decide everything. When you buy something usually there are deal breaking drawbacks they never mention.

I was able to keep using 2080 ti thanks to under volt to 850 mV 1800 Mhz and 250 watts crippled like this but it's 2-3 times fatser than a 980 ti Xtreme i think. I tried over clock to 360 watts. can't justify the heat produced. Not to mention the electricity costs. Didn't like 500 watts Heat blower gun in my face or anywhere near.

"I don't like dealing with high wattage cards so no one should have one. Here is my irrelevant experience with a completely different, much older, much slower card."

Even as bad takes go, this is impressive.

 

[wNotyarD]

I also still can't play Forza Motorsport without restarting it after every race, since the GPU driver crashes on the race rewards screen. Far from alone in that, too. But I'm making it all up, right? I'm an idiot, PEBKAC.

Must've missed your thread about this, if you made one here. The two I listed I know I did try to help you.

 

[faye]

Must've missed your thread about this, if you made one here. The two I listed I know I did try to help you.

I'm not 100% it was here, I thought it was, but it hardly matters - commonly reported issue with the game, primarily 7000 series owners. Still hasn't been fixed with a driver release and game patch behind us.

Some AMD GPU owners are also finding the game rebuilds the shader cache on launch every time (thankfully somehow avoided that, here).

It's another poorly tested Turn 10 release, nothing new or special there. It's even crashing on Xbox for some.

 

[N/A]

"I don't like dealing with high wattage cards so no one should have one.

Just as an example 4090 is 50% higher power and you're gonna want your money back when 50 series is released, that's very soon. 60 series is the end of usefulness of this product as good as it is.

 

[Dahita]

Anything from the generation 3xxx and up will triple your performance from a 980 ti. To give you an idea, I have a similar setup and still use my 2070 SUPER, with games maxed out at above 100fps. I play in 1080p, so to max out in 1440p, all you need is something a little beefier, hence the 3xxx options.

Thus, either you want to wait for the 5xxx series and go for something cheap in between (3080 for $400 on Ebay). This will give you all games maxed out in 1440p for a fair amount of time.
Or, you wait for the SUPER series coming soon.

Buying anything now wouldn't make much sense to me so close to the release of an upgraded gen.

 

[faye]

Just as an example 4090 is 50% higher power and you're gonna want your money back when 50 series is released, that's very soon. 60 series is the end of usefulness of this product as good as it is.

50 series won't be out till late 2024, probably 2025. Nvidia is releasing the 4000 series Super refresh, then likely sitting on their hands for a while, since AMD has shown they're unable or unwilling to match the performance of current high end offerings. Experience has shown Nvidia doesn't innovate or release significant new hardware until they have to. It's not going to be any different this time - this is the 8800 GTX era all over again.

 

[physicsjunky]

I have the RX 7900 XTX, if you overclock the card to the max power draw can get up to 435 watts for most cards. If you undervolt, bring the power slider down to -10%, and drop the core frequency down to 2000 to 2500mhz you still get amazing fps at 1440p high or ultra settings with a power draw of 230 watts to 300 watts depending on the load.
Most of my driver crashes are due to memory oc, or video driver hangs.

I'm currently using preview Adrenalin drivers with AFMF aka frame gen so crashes are more frequent.
Adrenalin Preview Driver 23.30.01.02

 

[oxrufiioxo]

50 series won't be out till late 2024, probably 2025. Nvidia is releasing the 4000 series Super refresh, then likely sitting on their hands for a while, since AMD has shown they're unable or unwilling to match the performance of current high end offerings. Experience has shown Nvidia doesn't innovate or release significant new hardware until they have to. It's not going to be any different this time - this is the 8800 GTX era all over again.

They've already said 5000 series is 2025 to their investors likely why we are getting a refresh to keep interest up.


Also even if the 450w is an issue for someone that's completely ignoring the fact that you can get 95% of the perfomance at less than 350w and even at 330w for most cards. Even in CP with Pathtracing the hit at 330w what I run mine at is indistinguishable from stock unless Riva tuner is someones favorite game. Pretty sure the 4080 can get most it's perfomance at around 250w and the 4070 is definitely capable of most it's perfomance at 150w so this whole thing about wattage is completely a stupid argument against these cards. The best argument against them and this likely will continue with the super cards is price and anyone thinking a 4090 replacement on 3nm is going to be cheap is smoking some good shite.

 

[faye]

I have the RX 7900 XTX, if you overclock the card to the max power draw can get up to 435 watts for most cards. If you undervolt, bring the power slider down to -10%, and drop the core frequency down to 2000 to 2500mhz you still get amazing fps at 1440p high or ultra settings with a power draw of 230 watts to 300 watts depending on the load.
Most of my driver crashes are due to memory oc, or video driver hangs.

... You shouldn't be getting non-OC-related driver crashes in 2023. Like. Ever.

Prior to getting the 7900 XTX I hadn't seen a video driver crash in like 15 years. How AMD GPU fans/owners have accepted "the graphics drivers just time out sometimes for no apparent reason" as normal confounds me completely. This isn't okay. This isn't something that should be tolerated with hardware at this price point. Ever.

 

[physicsjunky]

... You shouldn't be getting non-OC-related driver crashes in 2023. Like. Ever.

Prior to getting the 7900 XTX I hadn't seen a video driver crash in like 15 years. How AMD GPU fans/owners have accepted "the graphics drivers just time out sometimes for no apparent reason" as normal confounds me completely. This isn't okay. This isn't something that should be tolerated with hardware at this price point. Ever.

I see it as normal because i started with AMD. With the R7 5700G, then RX 6700 XT, currently RX 7900 XTX.
I've never experienced an Nvidia setup.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I see it as normal because i started with AMD. With the R7 5700G, then RX 6700 XT, currently RX 7900 XTX.
I've never experienced an Nvidia setup.

This is honestly why I always tell someone who is use to Nvidia always purchase AMD with a good return policy. I would have no issue with a 7900XTX due to the fact that I usually build a mid/low range AMD PC every 3 ish years but for those that are not accustomed to their quirks may find the experience less than ideal.

This goes the same for someone who only uses AMD cards and switches to Nvidia although in my experience with 5000/6000 series AMD cards they are sill more clunky than Nvidia alternatives but that may just be in my use case.

The best thing anyone can do is always purchase from a vendor with a good return policy and that really goes with any tech related purchase honestly protect yourself.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Experience has shown Nvidia doesn't innovate or release significant new hardware until they have to. It's not going to be any different this time - this is the 8800 GTX era all over again.

Riiiight. Cause AMD really pushed them to get RT and upscalers out there and going... didn't AMD say they can't compete in the high end anymore? ... talm bout signifiCANT

 

[wNotyarD]

Riiiight. Cause AMD really pushed them to get RT and upscalers out there and going... didn't AMD say they can't compete in the high end anymore? ... talm bout signifiCANT

They did say that with RX5000, but came smashing with RX6000. RX7000 is competitive at anything but halo-tier (anyone who says the 7900XTX and XT aren't competitive against the RTX4080 and 4070Ti is deluded). RX8000 is rumoured to repeat RX5000, so if anyone is expecting a home-run from AMD it probably won't come sooner than RX9000 generation.

@HughJundys if card size is paramount, your best bet will probably be the 4070Ti. It will smoke your 980Ti, and play anything current at 1440p effortlessly, either fast raster or acceptable RT (unless it's pathtracing). If you can find (and your budget allows) a reasonably sized 4080, though, it'd be my choice if you want it now. That or waiting a little to see what comes of the RTX4000S cards (either 4070TiS or 4080S).

 

[nomdeplume]

I see it as normal because i started with AMD. With the R7 5700G, then RX 6700 XT, currently RX 7900 XTX.
I've never experienced an Nvidia setup.

Lol, that was one of the most perfect tapping out of what threatened turning into a meaningless debate I've seen.

 

[Vayra86]

Budget though. At 499,- I don't think ANY 4000 series Super is going to be a compelling offer, to be brutally honest. Every new version is gonna scream moar, so it also screams more money. Even if they remain at the current price point they're not going to beat the 7800XT at its MSRP. Both Ada and RDNA3 are solid though, Ada just suffers from subpar hardware at given price, and the current offering just isn't good.

Nvidia is still selling their featureset at premium that won't change. So simply enough, if you want that featureset, wait for Super. If you don't, why bother. If you want to spend more and don't care, also wait for Super. Its not a world shattering refresh, they'll nudge the line up just a little so they can compel people to skip RDNA3 midrange which is killing it bang/buck wise rn. No need to hold your breath.

 

[wNotyarD]

Budget though. At 499,- I don't think ANY 4000 series Super is going to be a compelling offer, to be brutally honest. Every new version is gonna scream moar, so it also screams more money. Even if they remain at the current price point they're not going to beat the 7800XT at its MSRP.

From op:

Which GPU is right for me? 1440p monitor, games are sometimes AAA but not often, Quest 3, hang onto card 4 plus years. I don't have an allegiance towards a brand. I can afford all of the cards but doesn't mean I should.

Hence it isn't unreasonable to suggest waiting to see what comes from the Supers or to shoot reasonably high (and not to the moon, aka 4090) with the current Adas. Do they have compelling prices? Not at all. Do they perform? By all means.

 

[Vayra86]

From op:


Hence it isn't unreasonable to suggest waiting to see what comes from the Supers or to shoot reasonably high (and not to the moon, aka 4090) with the current Adas. Do they have compelling prices? Not at all. Do they perform? By all means.

Sure and when Super launches you could wait for prices to come down to reason first, too, because you're heading into Christmas soon. And then you could wait for AMD's RDNA 3.5. Yada yada

Its worth waiting. But its also worth realizing what you're actually waiting for. Ada refresh brings nothing new to the table.

450 watts gives you the best gameplay experience possible, bar none, and OP has already demonstrated that (a) they keep their GPUs for a long time, thus it makes sense for them to buy the best (b) they can afford a 4090.

4 years isn't a long time. Far more important is how high the bar is with regards to framerate and quality tweaks. 4 years simply spells get 16GB; and for 1440p you can do fine with a 7800XT. A 4090 won't be paying off at all, you'll likely feel the gap in a meaningful way somewhere around year 3 of ownership. When that perf costs 499 again, just about.

Keep in mind even the mighty 4090 chokes on stuff like UE5.x the same as every other card in the game right now. So much for perf 4 years ahead.

So you can spend 499,- now and get all you need, and then spend 499,-, heck, make it 699,- in 4 years to repeat the trick with a current gen GPU. You'll save 300 bucks in the process.

Logic

 

[wNotyarD]

Sure and when Super launches you could wait for prices to come down to reason first, too, because you're heading into Christmas soon. And then you could wait for AMD's RDNA 3.5. Yada yada

Its worth waiting. But its also worth realizing what you're actually waiting for. Ada refresh brings nothing new to the table.

Agreed. By your recommendation, I really like the 7800XT although I wouldn't get one myself (for me it doesn't seem like enough an upgrade over my 3070 to justify the cost, even if I recoup some selling my current card). It's the most reasonable bang-for-buck of the generation.
Op, however, seems to wish to hold whatever card he gets for around 4 years. I'm unsure if anything below the 4080/7900XTX will stand its own well down that road and not even because of VRAM.
That comes down to getting the best compromise right now (taking into account size, power and budget limitations), and working settings down as the card ages and requirements get harsher. For me personally, that'd be 4070Ti, 7900XT, 4080 and 7900XTX (listed in this order due to pricing where I live).

 

[Vayra86]

Agreed. By your recommendation, I really like the 7800XT although I wouldn't get one myself (for me it doesn't seem like enough an upgrade over my 3070 to justify the cost, even if I recoup some selling my current card). It's the most reasonable bang-for-buck of the generation.
Op, however, seems to wish to hold whatever card he gets for around 4 years. I'm unsure if anything below the 4080/7900XTX will stand its own well down that road and not even because of VRAM.
That comes down to getting the best compromise right now (taking into account size, power and budget limitations), and working settings down as the card ages and requirements get harsher. For me personally, that'd be 4070Ti, 7900XT, 4080 and 7900XTX (listed in this order due to pricing where I live).

I'd never get a 12 GB card to ride 4 years on right now, so the 4070ti is off the table. That leaves a 4080, a 7900XT, and the XTX. The XTX is perhaps more than its part cost, you might need to add case cooling because that's a hefty TDP. I know I can't throw more than 300W around in my well sized and pretty well cooled setup without seeing very high temps on air.

It has never and will never be the smartest move to buy top end. They command a premium $/frame. If you don't actually use the performance now or in the next couple of years, why bother? Get something priced half that and do it again when you feel the need. This keeps you on the initiative, instead of having the burden of spending 1500 bucks on 'The Card' and then wonder why it still won't kill everything in year 3 because engines and games have moved on.

In the end... personal choices/considerations. This is just how I roll and I've really enjoyed playing the market like that. I've never felt compelled to overspend on a GPU, because I never went overboard on any of them. Getting a great deal gives you that mental/financial space to do it again when the need arises.