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8600k - Ryzen 2600 - For smooth Windows operation - Single core performance ?

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Getting a new platform finally :)
Looking at these mid range CPU's, which one would run Windows 10 in a faster manner ? Handle many open windows of PDF/firefox/mail.

Is it true that the one with the better "single core performance" will be better suited for the task ?
 
No not at all, you won't notice a difference on either CPU. Make sure you add an SSD as the OS disk (but I see you already have one).
 
Oh, sweet, so there isn't a real reason why I need to be stuck with the limited selection of X470 motherboards where I live right ? I can get the Intel today and know that I am getting just as good a cpu/mobo as the new AMD's, for my purposes ? There are like 4 amd motherboards and 50 Intel motherboards at my local store where I like to buy due to good warranty.
 
Yes, I even think you could look at a quad core option as well (i3), your use case doesn't strike me as very demanding.
 
Excellent ! I will check the i3 as well. I am going with one of the TUF Asus motherboards, in my understanding they favor construction over performance which is a good bet for someone like me who changes rigs once every 5 years ey ?
 
MSI seems to have nice boards. But they suck at delivering BIOS updates. For ASUS I was getting updates years after release, for both Rampage II Gene (X58) and Sabertooth X99. For MSI (at least X99A Gaming 7 which isn't exactly a budget board) they stopped releasing them 2 years ago. Ugh. Just checked Sabertooth X99 for the lolz and last update it received was in December 2017. So much for that...
 
I have a lot of scars from MSI, all of their boards burned up within the first 3 years. My gear lives at 40C most of the year and MSI boards do not hold up to abuse. Asus boards never failed me, but ASRock I never tried.
 
I was about to say stay away from MSI - It's cheaply made junk.
Great features but that doesn't mean anything if it kicks over in short order and MSI's from my experience do that.

Asus or ASRock boards will do but be picky, a board like my Maximus IX Hero for example would be great for such a build and mine has a 7700K running in it.
I've heard alot of good things about the ASRock Tachi boards https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157754&ignorebbr=1 alongf with a few others from that lineup, the OC Formula series is built very well but could be lacking a few features you might want. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157649&ignorebbr=1 I have an older OCF board (Z77 version) and it's like holding a tank the thing is made so well, clearly ASRock wanted it to be the badboy of the lineup and it's construction shows it BUT it's largely an OC'ers board.

Be sure to have in mind whatever features you want and what has them when looking.

BTW I've heard it said before the Strix line was just watered down ROG, if you're going to grab an Asus then get a true ROG, more expensive but worth it.

It's really about doing the research on what's probrably good for your build and don't forget if buying the latest Intel release you have to run a Z370 based board no matter who makes it. Anything that's Kaby or Skylake will work fine in the examples I linked to.
 
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if your going install a cpu & never access the bios again, id suggest the lowest price board over $70 (it really wont matter too much as long as you buy from a good maker)

Regarding Asrock mobo's, if you intend to OC, i would suggest the following below.

I've been purchasing their motherboards for many years now ,and they are 100% the company I always go to ,unless there's a reason that benefits me otherwise. i've only had to return one asrock motherboard due to a (not me related) issue ,and that was a dead fan header. I don't do "super overclocking", but every time I purchase one of their motherboards ,I am able to reach 5GHz, pretty much every time, and all of them are in use for over five or more years (in my possession).

In my experience the better Asrock boards start right at the "pro4" level (not to say lesser priced boards arent also good) , after that series ,you really can't go wrong with any of them, but you can go wrong with over purchasing and that's where I'm going to weigh in now.

There's times where I know I want to overclock, both my ram and my cpu, but I know I'm not gonna go crazy. In the past I would buy the "H" class motherboard (H97), because you could overclock ,up to around 4.8ghz limit ( which for these situations was perfectly acceptable, & i saved a ton of $) im not sure if current versions of the "H" series allow for this, but i dont listen when i see people say you cant online, as i saw it regarding the h97, and i know for a fact it worked with them). In my most recent build I went with their Extreme4 series. It's my 3rd iteration of the "extreme" series, & IMO, it has alll the options, without the super useless ones, & without the $200+ price tag. Their Killer, Fatality, Pro4, & Taichi boards are all nice as well, but have or lack things i dont/do feel are important respectively, or that i dont need/want ( this will change according to a users specific set of needs of course).

To simplify, I'll sum it up like this.


decent OC ram & cpu with good quality & lower price- Pro4

decent-good OC , + some luxury options- Killer series

Good all around, (but with a love or hate color scheme)- Fatality series

Top tier everything, loads of options, pull all the stops board w/ price to match -Taichi

Not top tier, but has all the (where it matters) options, @ a lower, sub $150 pricetag- Extreme4 series.

I'm not insinuating other companies don't make good motherboards, I personally have gone with asrock over the past 10+ years, and have never been disappointed, therefore I don't see a reason to switch ( i have used many different boards from other manufacturers, and wasnt impressed with a lot of what i saw). In my opinion the best board ever made for all around function, with unbeatable price, perf, etc was that H97 pro4m. This should give an idea that I don't look at what a board can do, or what it's price tag is ,but rather what it does do in the real world ,because I'm not willing to pay 100 more dollars for built-in Wi-Fi ,or a third M.2 slot , when I don't need the first one or two slots, and I don't need built-in Wi-Fi because its ridiculous.

always keep in mind ,just because a motherboard or any component costs more, it 110% doesn't make it a better choice, or even a better performer. I know for a fact my $150 motherboard OC's better than ones that cost almost twice as much, and i know there are boards that are cheaper, that do most of what mine does. You need to decide your needs/expectations, and match as best you can a board and a price range that you can live with. Lazier buyers will often just buy the priciest option, i recommend against this, but people will do what they will do.

good luck
 
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I will say one thing with AsRock that no one ever mentions, and we seem to push AsRock a lot here, is that I have a slight audio ground loop that appears to be common on the AsRock boards. I use a USB audio card so it solves that problem.

Otherwise I really love my Asrock Z370 Taichi. It is an overkill board though, for you I'd suggest the i3 8350 quadcore or i5 8400 hexcore or i5 8500 hexcoreand a Z370 Extreme 4. Mainly because you said 5 year life.
 
I will say one thing with AsRock that no one ever mentions, and we seem to push AsRock a lot here, is that I have a slight audio ground loop that appears to be common on the AsRock boards. I use a USB audio card so it solves that problem.

Otherwise I really love my Asrock Z370 Taichi. It is an overkill board though, for you I'd suggest the i3 8350 quadcore or i5 8400 hexcore or i5 8500 hexcoreand a Z370 Extreme 4. Mainly because you said 5 year life.

If the x370 AsRockFatal1ty/Taichi and Crosshair 6 Hero/Extreme are available there I'd go with one with a 2000 Series chip if pricing on it is less with x470 boards being out. Or go B350
 
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Getting a new platform finally :)
Looking at these mid range CPU's, which one would run Windows 10 in a faster manner ? Handle many open windows of PDF/firefox/mail.

Is it true that the one with the better "single core performance" will be better suited for the task ?

If all you're going to be doing is standard desktop workloads and no gaming, either of the chips you mentioned will be overkill. Go for an i3-8100 ($117) or Ryzen 3 1200 ($109) - both are 4-core/4-thread CPUs that will serve you well.

If you want to overclock on a budget, there is the i3-8350K ($179) or Ryzen 3 1300X ($129) (both 4c/4t), or if you want to jump up to 6 cores/12 threads, the Ryzen 1600 ($189).

Note however that while all the Intel CPUs I've mentioned do come with integrated graphics, the Ryzens don't. If you already have a graphics card, that's not an issue. If not, I'd recommend the Ryzen 3 2200G (4c/4t @ $99) or Ryzen 5 2400G (4c/8t @ $179) - not quite as fast as the i3-8100 or i3-8350K in terms of pure CPU, but in particular, the 2400G's 8 threads means it is more futureproof than its nearest competitor the 8350K, and the Ryzen's graphics performance is far better too.
 
You can overclock the 1200 to the same levels than the 1300x or 2200g. But since the PC is for desktop use, I would go for a H310 or A320 motherboard and ditch overclock entirely.
 
drop a 2600x in there and a gigantic ssd in there and call it a day :D
 
Can't go wrong with any of the major offerings right now.
 
I love this thead ! Thanks so much guys !
I decided to get a Taichi and the i3 chip :) I hope it will serve well ! My FX8350 surely has.
 
I love this thead ! Thanks so much guys !
I decided to get a Taichi and the i3 chip :) I hope it will serve well ! My FX8350 surely has.

I think you will be happy with the performance! Be sure to update the bios when you receive the Taichi if it is not the current latest version so that you get the full CPU microcode security patch. This is recommended if you order any of the available Z370 boards. This is easily done by going to AsRock's website, you download the file and place it on a FAT32 formatted USB thumb drive, and then boot into bios and select update bios. I would strongly recommend doing it through the bios and usb stick rather than through windows, it is safer.

Instructions on how to install the bios are here: https://www.asrock.com/support/BIOSIG.asp?cat=BIOS8
Download link for the current bios version is here: https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z370 Taichi/index.asp#BIOS Choose the Instant Flash instead of the Windows option so that you use the USB stick to install, it is safer and very easy to do.
 
I think this video is great and shows you how close AMD really is to intel.

 
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