9070XT or 7900XT or 7900XTX

[hermesa]

Which one should I buy, I don't use RT, I play at 1440p, I need some future proofing and I am on a budget.I play poorly optimized games,particularly Squad and Hell Let loose and my aim is reaching +165 stable fps on both of this games so I can lock it with the monitor.The difference in price between theese 2 GPUs is 70$ so that is not a problem but yes I am on a budget and I have to choose between these two.The benchmarks I found for 9070XT and 7900XT are all based on a AAA games which I don't play. Also the 7900XT have some better specs on paper such as bus width ,tflops etc. What should I do, get the high end older gpu or the mid range newer gpu?

 

[Zazigalka]

9070XT​

 

[AVATARAT]

9070XT​

 

[hermesa]

And I also forget to mention that I don't care abour power efficiency.Just the higher FPS count that potentially will allow me to lock fps. I will be glad to hear an opinion too from someone that owns 7900xt or 9070xt and also play Squad or bad optimized games.Future proofing is also a thing ,since I don't want to upgrade every 2-3 years or so.Theese 16VRAM are concerning me tbh. Anyway I am open for advices

 

[LabRat 891]

9070XT.

And I also forget to mention that I don't care abour power efficiency.Just the higher FPS count that potentially will allow me to lock fps. I will be glad to hear an opinion too from someone that owns 7900xt or 9070xt and also play Squad or bad optimized games.Future proofing is also a thing ,since I don't want to upgrade every 2-3 years or so.Theese 16VRAM are concerning me tbh. Anyway I am open for advices

9070XT is solidly better, all-around, than a 7900XT*. The 16GB of VRAM isn't a concern (currently).
In a given title I use less VRAM on my 9070XT vs. my 24GB 7900XTX; stuff is getting into and out of VRAM faster.

Future-proofing (as a goal) is a guaranteed failstate:
My 16GB HBM2 WX9100/MI25 was a (small) fraction of the capability my 16GB 7900GRE, and the 16GB 7900GRE was a (larger) fraction of my RX 9070 XT.

An RX 9070 XT will do best, into the foreseeable future for your applications.


*At the moment, I believe Navi3x has better AI/ML support, if that's something you're into.

 

[RejZoR]

RDNA4 solves 2 key things, ray tracing and FSR4 that RX 7900 XT still has big issues with. I think choice is pretty clear.

 

[Macro Device]

Theese 16VRAM are concerning me tbh

It shouldn't be a serious concern.

Let's compare similar GPUs that only majorly differ in VRAM. RX 570/4 VS 580/8. Worst case scenario, 4K, highest settings, games from up to 5 years after the release:

RX 570, a GPU that only has 8/9ths the core count and 7/8ths the VRAM speed, manages to average at 80ish % of RX 580. Despite having 4 (!) GB of VRAM. Which doesn't matter because both cards can't even remotely do 4K anyway.

All games you mentioned (such as Squad for example) don't use much VRAM even at the highest settings and you yourself said you don't play at highest settings anyway. You will never run out of VRAM even on a 12 GB 5070 if you continue gaming like this.

Most upcoming titles, be it AAA or something niche, will be developed using the Unreal Engine 5. This means you'll run out of calculating power VERY LONG before you run out of VRAM. I work in this engine and I make my 6700 XT crumble below 50 FPS before the VRAM consumption reaches 6 (!) GB. And I have 12. Having a lot of VRAM is good for your mental stability and overall health, sure, but it won't help if your GPU doesn't crunch the numbers fast enough anyway.

That said, I'm inclined to suggest you doing nothing about it until your current GPU starts being really problematic. Being unable to max the monitor out is, of course, not the most comfortable thing to experience but it's not the end of the world.

 

[lambda]

If you wish to play around with ROCm and maybe LLMs then the 7900xt is a good buy due to the extra memory bandwidth and VRAM capacity (it's decent at compute and supported in rocm)

If you just game on your system then the 9070xt all the way.

Edit: just checked your system specs, neither of these would be a good upgrade over a 7700xt in my opinion.

 

[LabRat 891]

It shouldn't be a serious concern.

Let's compare similar GPUs that only majorly differ in VRAM. RX 570/4 VS 580/8. Worst case scenario, 4K, highest settings, games from up to 5 years after the release:
View attachment 393601
RX 570, a GPU that only has 8/9ths the core count and 7/8ths the VRAM speed, manages to average at 80ish % of RX 580. Despite having 4 (!) GB of VRAM. Which doesn't matter because both cards can't even remotely do 4K anyway.

All games you mentioned (such as Squad for example) don't use much VRAM even at the highest settings and you yourself said you don't play at highest settings anyway. You will never run out of VRAM even on a 12 GB 5070 if you continue gaming like this.

Most upcoming titles, be it AAA or something niche, will be developed using the Unreal Engine 5. This means you'll run out of calculating power VERY LONG before you run out of VRAM. I work in this engine and I make my 6700 XT crumble below 50 FPS before the VRAM consumption reaches 6 (!) GB. And I have 12. Having a lot of VRAM is good for your mental stability and overall health, sure, but it won't help if your GPU doesn't crunch the numbers fast enough anyway.

That said, I'm inclined to suggest you doing nothing about it until your current GPU starts being really problematic. Being unable to max the monitor out is, of course, not the most comfortable thing to experience but it's not the end of the world.

I almost brought this exact point up. I too had both an RX580(X) 8GB and an RX6500XT 4GB.
I sat down and did some comparisons between them on my R5 5600 build. Generally, the 6500XT was slightly though repeatably faster. The few cases where the VRAM of the 6500XT was exceeded, the RX580X was also unplayable (UE4 MW5:mercs, A:FoP, etc.)

OP appears to have a 7700XT 12GB. That's a very respectable card, for 1080p. The 7900XT is a sensible desire for smooth framerates @ 1440p, but an RX 9070 or 9070 XT will be the better choice, looking forward.

RDNA4 solves 2 key things, ray tracing and FSR4 that RX 7900 XT still has big issues with. I think choice is pretty clear.

Mostly agreed.

OP says they're not interested in RT (right now). Fact is, DirectX-integral and Vulkan-integral RT is becoming common, and Navi4x does those well.
Navi3x, much less so.

I've yet to play a single title w/ FSR4 implemented and working. Conceptually, it seems like a good 'compromise' given the state of the industry.
Personally, AFMF feels less laggy than FSR, and is quite useful when framerates are already 48+fps (min. freesync range, IIRC).


The Navi 48s are quite capable, for being 'mid tier' offerings.

 

[Macro Device]

I almost brought this exact point up.

After YEARS of defaulting to English I noticed I started to struggle with my mother tongue which made me feel like the OP is in the same spot but regarding GPUs so I decided to scrutinize it just like I scrutinized Russian for myself so I don't get lost in a forgotten wood. Kinda spooky actually if you ask me. They call me an alien in my hometown. Anyway...

I picked two dated GPUs based on the same arch and showed their worst case performance to make it clear how VRAM amount impacts the longevity. The answer is... it doesn't impact it enough. I would try a ridiculously fast CPU (not GPU) to see if it makes life better first. 5800X3D is a no joke but in games like Squad... I think 7700 XT is overqualified for this CPU.

 

[hermesa]

It shouldn't be a serious concern.

Let's compare similar GPUs that only majorly differ in VRAM. RX 570/4 VS 580/8. Worst case scenario, 4K, highest settings, games from up to 5 years after the release:
View attachment 393601
RX 570, a GPU that only has 8/9ths the core count and 7/8ths the VRAM speed, manages to average at 80ish % of RX 580. Despite having 4 (!) GB of VRAM. Which doesn't matter because both cards can't even remotely do 4K anyway.

All games you mentioned (such as Squad for example) don't use much VRAM even at the highest settings and you yourself said you don't play at highest settings anyway. You will never run out of VRAM even on a 12 GB 5070 if you continue gaming like this.

Most upcoming titles, be it AAA or something niche, will be developed using the Unreal Engine 5. This means you'll run out of calculating power VERY LONG before you run out of VRAM. I work in this engine and I make my 6700 XT crumble below 50 FPS before the VRAM consumption reaches 6 (!) GB. And I have 12. Having a lot of VRAM is good for your mental stability and overall health, sure, but it won't help if your GPU doesn't crunch the numbers fast enough anyway.

That said, I'm inclined to suggest you doing nothing about it until your current GPU starts being really problematic. Being unable to max the monitor out is, of course, not the most comfortable thing to experience but it's not the end of the world.

Squad is using heavy mods, half of the servers there are using mods for different nations etc. The game itself was smh like 80GB and the mods that require to play are x2 GB . I wait for THREEDAYS and Glory To The Heroes to come out. They are also based on the war and I am fan of milsim games.

 

[mb194dc]

If 7900xt is much cheaper where you are, it's a no brainer. For the same price get the 9070xt.

 

[hermesa]

If 7900xt is much cheaper where you are, it's a no brainer. For the same price get the 9070xt.

7900XT is 1500 BGN(750$) , 9070XT is 1680 BGN(840$) , 180BGN are about 80-90$ given the fact that there is big inflation in the country right now and 180BGN are not that much if you have them

 

[HD64G]

9070XT is an easy choice when they are so close in price.

 

[RejZoR]

I almost brought this exact point up. I too had both an RX580(X) 8GB and an RX6500XT 4GB.
I sat down and did some comparisons between them on my R5 5600 build. Generally, the 6500XT was slightly though repeatably faster. The few cases where the VRAM of the 6500XT was exceeded, the RX580X was also unplayable (UE4 MW5:mercs, A:FoP, etc.)

OP appears to have a 7700XT 12GB. That's a very respectable card, for 1080p. The 7900XT is a sensible desire for smooth framerates @ 1440p, but an RX 9070 or 9070 XT will be the better choice, looking forward.


Mostly agreed.

OP says they're not interested in RT (right now). Fact is, DirectX-integral and Vulkan-integral RT is becoming common, and Navi4x does those well.
Navi3x, much less so.

I've yet to play a single title w/ FSR4 implemented and working. Conceptually, it seems like a good 'compromise' given the state of the industry.
Personally, AFMF feels less laggy than FSR, and is quite useful when framerates are already 48+fps (min. freesync range, IIRC).


The Navi 48s are quite capable, for being 'mid tier' offerings.

The "not interested in ray tracing right now" is only an argument if you're playing older games. Because more and more games will have ray tracing mandatory. The game will not run without it. And when you have that kind of requirement, it's good to have a GPU that handles ray tracing well. Sure older Radeons run Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, because you can dumb down the lighting to bare minimum ray tracing being involved and at lower precision, but still, you're suffering a performance hit that might not even be there with RDNA4 generation.

 

[Sol_Badguy]

@hermesa

My short answer would be 9070 XT. But then:

7900XT is 1500 BGN(750$) , 9070XT is 1680 BGN(840$) , 180BGN are about 80-90$ given the fact that there is big inflation in the country right now and 180BGN are not that much if you have them

I used a currency converter and that says 767 € for the 7900 XT and 859 € for the 9070 XT.
You are seriously overpaying, if you have the money it's your call but you would be sponsoring some retailer's summer vacation.
There's also the new PSU on top of this so think thoroughly about the investment.

Will I need an PSU upgrade

So right now I have 5800X3D with 7700XT and 2x16 ram etc.(you can see my specs in my profile) and I am with EVGA Supernova G2 650W Gold Power Supply , I am thinking of upgrading to RX 7900 XT, I don't do any overclocking at all.I have x2 NVME drives , 1 SSD drive and 1 HDD. will I need to...

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[Vayra86]

@hermesa

My short answer would be 9070 XT. But then:

I used a currency converter and that says 767 € for the 7900 XT and 859 € for the 9070 XT.
You are seriously overpaying, if you have the money it's your call but you would be sponsoring some retailer's summer vacation.
There's also the new PSU on top of this so think thoroughly about the investment.

Will I need an PSU upgrade

So right now I have 5800X3D with 7700XT and 2x16 ram etc.(you can see my specs in my profile) and I am with EVGA Supernova G2 650W Gold Power Supply , I am thinking of upgrading to RX 7900 XT, I don't do any overclocking at all.I have x2 NVME drives , 1 SSD drive and 1 HDD. will I need to...

www.techpowerup.com

Yep. 850 was also far too much for the 7900XT. Not a good deal

 

[hermesa]

@hermesa

My short answer would be 9070 XT. But then:

I used a currency converter and that says 767 € for the 7900 XT and 859 € for the 9070 XT.
You are seriously overpaying, if you have the money it's your call but you would be sponsoring some retailer's summer vacation.
There's also the new PSU on top of this so think thoroughly about the investment.

Will I need an PSU upgrade

So right now I have 5800X3D with 7700XT and 2x16 ram etc.(you can see my specs in my profile) and I am with EVGA Supernova G2 650W Gold Power Supply , I am thinking of upgrading to RX 7900 XT, I don't do any overclocking at all.I have x2 NVME drives , 1 SSD drive and 1 HDD. will I need to...

www.techpowerup.com

The taxes are included in the prices here. As an eastern european country we get pc parts much more expensive than the prices for pc parts in America for example. We are used to this.But given the fact that availability is also a problem here , the prices aren't that bad. It would be much more expensive to order it from AMD or abroad than the retailers we got here. I have 500BGN ( 250$) for new PSU and 1500(750$) BGN for new GPU - or I can change that to something like 1700BGN for GPU and 300BGN For PSU. The 9070XT I can order is the Hellhound white version. While the 7900XT I can get is from ASRock Phantom Gaming(white). I know that using ''userbenchmark'' website is the last thing I should do , but the difference between my current GPU (7700XT) and the 7900XT - the increase is 42% while between 7700 and 9070XT is 49% - I don't know if it's worth it the 10-15% more fps , I saw the PCB of the 9070XT and it's small on this hellhound model that I Can get. And raw performance in CS2 of 7900XT is better at 1440p than the 9070XT , wonder what performance gains would give me the 9070XT over 7900XT in Squad ,if even there is any performance considering the low-end model of the 9070XT that I can get

 

[Macro Device]

Unpopular opinion: jumping a 4070 Ti Super doesn't require a PSU replacement and this GPU isn't worse than 9070 XT. (In Russia, it's even noticeably cheaper)

 

[hermesa]

Yep. 850 was also far too much for the 7900XT. Not a good deal

Sure , but its 1000$ or 2050 BGN for 4070 Ti SUper from zotac and 1833BGN from Inno3d I don't think any of these models are good ... There is one from MSI slim model , which is also 2000BGN (for refference , one minimum monthly salary here is 1080BGN)

 

[DaemonForce]

This isn't a real question. You're on a 7700XT for a reason. If you need the extra power, you need additional power for it.
Not quite the tyranny of fuel equation but pretty similar. These high powered cards need LOTS of power.
If your machine runs on a 25A rail like my Antec 750W, you're going nowhere. Pick up a 1KW or better with high amps.
ALso the 9070XT while not a terrible investment itself can be a deep one depending on other things. Choose wisely.
I had the 7900XT in this system (x2) and did not have success with either one. I would not try again. Complete waste of time.

 

[hermesa]

This isn't a real question. You're on a 7700XT for a reason. If you need the extra power, you need additional power for it.
Not quite the tyranny of fuel equation but pretty similar. These high powered cards need LOTS of power.
If your machine runs on a 25A rail like my Antec 750W, you're going nowhere. Pick up a 1KW or better with high amps.
ALso the 9070XT while not a terrible investment itself can be a deep one depending on other things. Choose wisely.
I had the 7900XT in this system (x2) and did not have success with either one. I would not try again. Complete waste of time.

What do you mean under 'did not have success...'' , can you elaborate more here ? I am willing to play some particular games , not for anything else. I accepted the fact that I will just buy new PSU since I am upgrading to 7900XT or 9070XT , now the question is which one is better for my needs .And I can't answer myself. I am not that deep into deep hardware , I see the 7900XT is better on paper (I don';t even know what bandwith, rops,tmus etc. are but yeah) and have little more ram and its kinda cheaper than the 9070.Also it usses more raw power and I saw that it gives more advantage in DX11 on CS2, can It give me more FPS in Squad ? I don't know

 

[AVATARAT]

The 9070 XT is a few % faster in Raster and better in RT, FSR (if you use them), the 9070 XT is better in many ways over the 7900 XT.
If you get the 9070 XT model with a phase change pad, then you won't keep it for long, but the paste on the 7900 XT will be dry, even before the end of warranty.
___________
The price is determined by the buyer, whether they are willing to give the amount or not, the market is what it is right now, and whether it will get better or worse in a few months is almost unpredictable.

 

[hermesa]

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The 9070 XT is a few % faster in Raster and better in RT, FSR (if you use them), the 9070 XT is better in many ways over the 7900 XT.
If you get the 9070 XT model with a phase change pad, then you won't keep it for long, but the paste on the 7900 XT will be dry, even before the end of warranty.
___________
The price is determined by the buyer, whether they are willing to give the amount or not, the market is what it is right now, and whether it will get better or worse in a few months is almost unpredictable.

I also take in mind the fact about the paste.If I am not wrong , the 7900XT is released 2023,I don't know when the exact model of ASRock Phantom Gaming is produced , but it's not far from 2023 , so the paste with it will be already 2 years old whether its used or not.It will be crusty... I researched and it turns out that the Phantom Gaming model of 7900XT (the white version ,not the black one) is produced in november 2023) , somewhere 2 years later than the original 7900XT release date. It won't be that bad as if it was in the 2022

Now I can see that my CPU 5800X3D paired with ASUS 4070(non super,non Ti) is getting 150-160FPS on 1440p from a benchmark in youtube.Hope that 7900XT will get me at least these fps counts considering it's 16% more powerfull than RTX 4070

 

[Dr. Dro]

7900 XTX > 9070 XT > 9070 > 7900 XT > 7900 GRE, in that order of preference, assuming similar pricing