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960 SP-laden RV870 in the Works, and more

Nkd

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Nkd you your two consecutive posts have some great points man, and I hope to see all of this come to light, until then it's just more speculation...but at least it's such that I have been waiting to hear from one side or the other. Gotta say the vid card business hasn't been boring for years now lol!

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thanks, it just makes more sense was we hear these news, gpu's are slowly heading towards where cpu's already are, but they seem to be adapting at a faster rate than cpu's did, just look at it this way, intel is still on 45nm and their next cpu architecture will be on 45nm as well, and by early next year gpu's might just surpass cpu's in effeciency for crunching number and power usage might be the same as a high end cpu. the next step for ati is going to be 40nm and same for nvidia unless they take 55nm first, as TSMC has said that they don't have 45nm for gpu's I believe from the news I have been reading. Nvidia will probably start doing the same, and they will try to shrink to 40nm before they even consider releasing the real next highend gpu, because they probably know now after thier profits have been minimized.
 

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Shaders can't be called 'cores'. Core = shaders + ROP + all the crap that's in the GPU schematic. As to the 'doubled' argument, it's modular for ATI to slap two dies onto a package, or use just one die as a RV870. Think of it as a Yorkfield CPU, where two Penryns are slapped onto it, the same single Penryn makes a Wolfdale, in to two, it makes Yorkfield.
 
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Im curious about the Dual Core GPU's myself Especially Since ATi have the support of AMD behind them - there shouldnt be a reason why they cant make it do'able.
AMD isn't doing too well in the Dual Core processor's itself.
 

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r870 quad core will be as big as single core GTX350 and 4 times faster than gtx280 :) nice :>
 

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Another small point, Nvidia are not coming up with any new architecture types themselves. Look at the specs for the GTX300, still no Dx 10.1 present.

If you ask me, i'd say ATI have found a solution to making their dx 10 GPU designs faster, and that this new (or upgraded) GPU is going to be faster than anticipated once again.
 

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yes, that is sad, they could easly deploy DX11 (specs ar coming out soon) i think that something must be wery wrong at nvidia, they stuck at G80 arhitecture
 

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ok but we have to ask our selves is this already the specs for the 2 cores put together or is this beast going to have 1920 stream processors form what im aiming at now is ATI is going to stay budget conscious and keep it small. As for nvidia its again a monolithic if the specs are true the Nvidia card will destroy this because of its 512 bit GDDR 5 unless the initial count of 960 stream processors stays the same. But with a 512 bit GDDR5 @ 2gigs the Nvidia card's price tag is going to be as epic/monolithic as the GPU itself. But then again it only has 480 Stream Processors so its going to rely on memory bandwidth alone. I dont know from the paper if i can get a 4 - 2 GPU cores in the same die package as the other guy......:shadedshu
 

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as u can see 512bit (radeon 2900) still doesnt do the thing it is slower than 256 bit radeon 3870.
i think that 512 is nota big deal. it is not going zo be twice as much fast as 256 BIT.
I think that we can expect up to 4 cores as one chip
 
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WOWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, finally some speculation !!!!!



Its been so quiet last few days after the performance numbers for 'Spartan' came out , finally something to discuss !!!!


What i think ?

This new card is just like moving from HD2xxx series to HD3xxx series, except that ATI doesn't have a flawed product like HD2xxx this time something like INtel's tick tock strategy . So they can build upon their strengths of HD4xxx.

So expect to see :

Reduced power consumption

HD2xxx to HD3xxx ( 65nm to 55nm )

HD4xxx to HD5xxx (55nm to 45nm or 40nm , more difference than above, hopefully )

I expect to see 20% performance increase

i dont think ATI will improve the architecture with a new fab increase, since a new architecture on a new fab process involves great risks, which is the last thing ATI needs right now.

The new cards will just be refined, kinks ironed out , maybe powerplay , something like GT200's idle 25W power consumption .
 
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Guys use your brain... whats the point of dual core for GPUs? Its the same as just doubling the shaders/ROPs :rolleyes:.

Is this AMD's tactic to get shareholders to hold onto their shares?

It's not just the same. In terms of performance it should be if done right, however it should give better yields than one huge monolithic GPU, and this has been the reasoning for AMD's dual-gpu tactic all along. It's more economical and will improve prices and profits.
 
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to the issue at hand this is purely speculation at this time but looks very promising, i think ati finally got sick of having there asses handed to them by nvidia, and the gap was closed with the 48** series, if the next gen cards can close that gap even further thats all good news in my book :toast:
 
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In this batch of apples there are red & green. But there is only one type of lime.
The green apples are the R600/700/800. These cards are the best in their league. The limes can only match or take them by doubling themselves.
The red apples are the RV670/770/870. The limes don't care about these cards because all they have to do is water themselves down alittle to match them.
IMO, the apples & limes need to get together & make some nasty fruit pie b4 the watermelon comes crashing down & take 'em both out :D
 
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Heres the big question about the R800:

Yeah its dual-core, but is the memory shared?

-Indybird
 
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I suggest eveyone stay on topic an just stick to worrying about themselves.
 
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I would happily stay on topic, in future what I'll do is report peples posts that I don't like and that I deem off topic. Like posting deliberate jibes at other members posts (post #8) followed by obviously condescending posts (post #14). Nice one.
Oh and to remain on topic, this card is going to be amazing.
 
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Well, staying on topic isn't what I just discussed with you over a PM. If you have a problem PM a moderator, or report the post. Don't post on the thread that you "are going to do it" or that you have. This isn't up for discussion here. On topic, or don't post.:slap:
 
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ATI is a winner

 

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That's good and all, but if it isn't too much faster than the 4870 then it really won't be worth buying now would it. That 20% would put it in exactly the same range as the GTX280 & it would only translate to a few fps in games. Also by then, the 4870 will be cheap as hell. That baby better be a dual core or it will fail, epically.
 
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lol anyways this comes as no surprize, it' supposed to be smaller cooler rv770 with a few more sp's probabaly fix any issues on the rv770. think of it more like the x1950 was to the x1900.
 
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lol anyways this comes as no surprize, it' supposed to be smaller cooler rv770 with a few more sp's probabaly fix any issues on the rv770. think of it more like the x1950 was to the x1900.

Or the RV770 to the R600 too! :toast:
 
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1.2times the 4870 isnt all that. its probably the same as the gtx280. owell anything faster is great.
 
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ati must make the base bit for new card now 512 and go more , to help it have good performance like new gtx 350
 
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