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A Closer Look at NVIDIA's Cinder Block Sized Air Cooler for RTX 4090 Ti—22 Heatpipes

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It also breaks in 5 years or much earlier and you can barely service it to do better, without voiding warranty.
This is or maybe was the case I'm not sure how modern aio design's fair but I'd like to see a modular design to allow for easy pump replacement or removal for integration into custom loop. It use to be prohibitive because of cost but now I doubt it would add much compared to the actual price.

If there is 1000W SFX-L PSU then it is. somehow.
Is there a ITX case that's able to handle a 600w card even if you can get it to fit in? I've not build ITX in a while but I know from Dan case and nzxt all mesh that you can have all the air in the world but with the back of motherboard and GPU facing each other in the middle it got quite toasty in their.
 
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This is or maybe was the case I'm not sure how modern aio design's fair but I'd like to see a modular design to allow for easy pump replacement or removal for integration into custom loop. It use to be prohibitive because of cost but now I doubt it would add much compared to the actual price.


Is there a ITX case that's able to handle a 600w card even if you can get it to fit in? I've not build ITX in a while but I know from Dan case and nzxt all mesh that you can have all the air in the world but with the back of motherboard and GPU facing each other in the middle it got quite toasty in their.

in the past couple years ive seen so much AIO pump fails that id never switch back again, also i lost two of them, different brands, same issue.
 
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Imagine how much waste this cooler is if a person was to watercool somehow.

I dont know how to explain but waste of materials like bulk waste.
 
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I'd like to believe this is all fake because this product is stupid in basically every way.

Uses more power than most people's PC's typical total system power draw.

Heatsink is a meme that needs an actual pillar to support the card to make sure it doesn't rip the PCIe socket out of the motherboard.

From specs alone, it's around a maximum of 15% faster than the 4090 non-Ti.

Will almost certainly be 20-40% more expensive than the 4090 non-Ti, making it at least $2,000.

This is the biggest E-peen of a piece of PC hardware I've ever seen.
 
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No video card with an AIO that I know of comes with a 480 rad and even so many cases do in fact fit 480mm radiators.
No video card ever had a TDP of 600w.
 
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in the past couple years ive seen so much AIO pump fails that id never switch back again, also i lost two of them, different brands, same issue.
Back in the day, when I was still running AIO, none of my high-end Corsairs failed even after prolonged abuse, so chance certainly plays a role here.
 

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okay this is just getting ridiculous now...
 
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Considering the 4090 Ti was never released, it's pretty obvious this is a prototype and shouldn't be considered the final cooler they would've shipped. 22 heatpipes is massive overkill considering the 4090 FE's design has only 6.


I ran a Corsair 360mm AIO for over 6 years and temps were still as good as day one; the myth that AIOs suddenly spontaneously combust when they hit the warranty mark has about as much credibility as it does for any other component. And coolant loss due to permeation happens in heatpipes too.

But really, this argument is silly because in 5 years' time nobody is going to be using that GPU because it will be so horribly obsolete.

I do believe though that all AIOs should allow for draining and refilling by end users, which would render the permeation issue moot. I'd like it even better if GPU and CPU mountings were identical so that you could use an AIO in either application.
A 4090ti obsolete in 5 years? Mkay
 
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"Hard to install."
Installing a card with mounted hsf is just the matter of installing the card itself. Installing a card with water cooler adds hassle of fitting the radiator.

"More wires."
A typical AIO has fans and pumps, that's two sets of wires. An aircooler has one set.

"More places to fail."
Again, fans only, vs fans and a pump.

"Change paste."
A waterblock does need paste too...
Assuming the rare occasion one needs to replace it, a graphics cards' HSF can be easily dismounted. Just take the cards out and grab a screwdriver. Have fun taking out an entire AIO before you get to reach those screws tho.

"Fans fail."
About the only valid case against air HSFs here. But still offset by the mere fact that an AIO has to deal with risks of pump failure and leaks, loose/broken fittings, etc.
Installing HSF card is not just "installing the card itself". Just like a card with a radiator you also have to install power cables and secure the card. And if the heatsink is big enough and it's not installed vertically then it will also need to be reinforced with a support.

More wires for AIO is a myth and depends entirely on the manufacturer. It's possible to combine all wires into one like Arctic does with theirs instead of the rats nest Corsair ships with. It would be even possible to make a solution where the fans/pump take power from the card itself with no external power needed.

Have you seen latest HSF designs? Nvidia FE's are over engineered with tens of different size screws and glue. Taking apart HSF card may end up being much more of a hassle than removing a waterblock. And why would you need to remove the entire AIO to dismount the PCB from the block? Assuming the tubes are long enough there is usually no reason to remove the entire AIO even for repasting.

No there are more cases against HSF's. Like weight. Complexity. Dimensions inside the case (blocking M.2, SATA and other motherboard slots or ports). Some manufacturers even had to engineer a solution to release the PCIe clamp with a separate button because people could not reach it with massive aircoolers in the way. Also HSF may be harder to clean because of the massive finstack that accumulates a lot of dust.
The main benefit of AIO's aside from cooling performance is that they shift bulk of the radiator mass closer to exhaust and the radiator itself is actually lighter than HSF.
When i bought my 420mm AIO for CPU i was surprised at how light it was considering the dimensions. This should come as no suprise because radiators have to be hollow where as HSF's rely on massive heatpipes and finstacks that are not hollow. Also with AIO it's easier to work inside the computer and it's safer to transport it without worring about the massive weight secured only by the PCIe slot and 1-2 screws flying around during transport. Another advantage is that unlike HSF's the heat is not dumped inside the case and could be efficently ejected.

To each their own but both have valid use cases and downsides. Sub 300W can be reasonably cooled by air coolers but IMHO going above that it is undeniable that water is a superior heat conductor.
 
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we just need a water case with quick connects at this point for high end gear.

like make it easy to hook into a loop and sell it with a block
 
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It's kind of a shame the 4090ti never released, this cooler looks absolutely bonkers.
How is this possibly better than a single slot water block.
This cant leak.
 

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22x40 for 880w dissipation, seems about right..
 
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No video card ever had a TDP of 600w.
If the die is big, cooling 600w should be possible with a 280/360. You can manage a 700w Xeon with a NH-U14.
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This cant leak.
But it can crack the PCB and the break the slot etc.

A leak with non-conductive fluid is much less fatal than PCB cracking - i've had tubes pop off and doused my computer with distilled water and antifreeze while it was on, and did no damage to the hardware (it was scary af don't get me wrong). But right now there's a gigabyte set of cards cracking PCBs due to the sheer weight of the cooler and a mounting design issue.
 
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Yup, never going this stupid AF route ever again, I changed to WCing for CPU's as well & no way I'm getting anything as massive as those overhyped/sized 3080's either! I had a chance to get the Asus Strix LC 6950XT at a slightly cheaper price & blew it, never again JHH never :shadedshu:
 
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Installing HSF card is not just "installing the card itself". Just like a card with a radiator you also have to install power cables and secure the card. And if the heatsink is big enough and it's not installed vertically then it will also need to be reinforced with a support.
I specifically mentioned "fitting the radiator" as an extra step compared to standard air cooling. Connecting power cables and screwing the case screws are common to both sides of the equation, so we can safely discard them from the comparison.

As for the support, being a quad-slot design most likely fares better than standard double-slot ones. Thicker beam = less bending (on all axes). And the cantilever support at rear would be definitely designed to be more than adequate at handling shear and bending stresses.

More wires for AIO is a myth and depends entirely on the manufacturer. It's possible to combine all wires into one like Arctic does with theirs instead of the rats nest Corsair ships with. It would be even possible to make a solution where the fans/pump take power from the card itself with no external power needed.
I wasn't saying that more wires is bad. That was Ferrum Master's argument. I merely pointed out that aircoolers have less wires. This isn't a myth. Except for the case where radiators don't have fans (why?), a typical watercooler has two sets of wires because it has two electrical components: pumps and fans, compared to only fans in an air cooler.

Indeed, OEMs can be crafty with their wiring like you proposed, but then they'd be losing one of the advantages an AIO has: Ease of replacing (radiator) fans.

Have you seen latest HSF designs? Nvidia FE's are over engineered with tens of different size screws and glue. Taking apart HSF card may end up being much more of a hassle than removing a waterblock. And why would you need to remove the entire AIO to dismount the PCB from the block? Assuming the tubes are long enough there is usually no reason to remove the entire AIO even for repasting.
"Assuming tubes are long enough."
They rarely (never?) are. And for good reason. Longer tubes add cost and reduce performance.
I've seen someone who worked with an (CPU) AIO with the rad still mounted. This ended up putting too much stress on the joints and it ended up leaking.

The 4000 gen cards don't use glue. Disassembly of 4090 FE cooler can, to quote W1zzard: "be done in a few minutes."

And similarly to the wires point, repasting wasn't something I mentioned (or even believe to be an issue worth mentioning). I don't believe anyone should need to take apart a card unless they're modding or something.

No there are more cases against HSF's. Like weight. Complexity. Dimensions inside the case (blocking M.2, SATA and other motherboard slots or ports). Some manufacturers even had to engineer a solution to release the PCIe clamp with a separate button because people could not reach it with massive aircoolers in the way. Also HSF may be harder to clean because of the massive finstack that accumulates a lot of dust.
Valid points. But I'd argue that motherboard ports aren't typically hot pluggable (except for SATA). So an aircooler would only affect the order of fitting components/cables at install time.

[Disclaimer: Not saying the next in defense of aircoolers, just ranting] Whoever though placing m.2 slots bellow PCIe slots should be banned from ever designing a board. Stupid, stupid placement that ends up forcing users to either leave the slot unused or suffer shitty temps!
 
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22 heat pipes.. When are they gonna drop the outrageously thick fin standard?! I don't have a single doubt their hsf designs could be smaller if they went to thinner fins.
 
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"Assuming tubes are long enough."
They rarely (never?) are. And for good reason. Longer tubes add cost and reduce performance.
I've seen someone who worked with an (CPU) AIO with the rad still mounted. This ended up putting too much stress on the joints and it ended up leaking.
Well once again i have to bring up Arctic. I just today swapped out the gasket and coldplate with the radiator still attached in the case (420mm, top).

Just placed the case horizontal on the table. Unlocked the window (toolless). Unscrewed the cooler block from the CPU (4 screws). Repasted the CPU.

Held up the tubes with one hand to prevent the liquid from spilling out and unscrewed the coldplate (also 4 screws) with one hand. Replaced the old gasket. Added some liquid just in case. Placed the new coldplate on top and screwed in the 4 screws. Peeled away the coldplate plastic sticker. Placed it back on the CPU and screwed in the 4 screws. Window back on and case vertical again. Job done.

Tubes are long enough that i was able to hold the cooling block comfortably outside the case without damaging the tubes or spilling coolant everywhere.
And it performs among the top AIO's despite the (longer than average?) tubes and actually costs less than many competitors. My 420mm unit was only a few € over 100€.
 
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