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A Final Fantasy IX Reminiscence - My love letter and homage to one of the best stories ever told

@oxrufiioxo truth to be told... i think most final fantasy fans know FF6 is probably the best FF out of all with the biggest potential for a remake... i havent finished it yet but it on par as great as 9 and 7 just wish square enix would green lit that ... and it would probably sell like hot cakes..
 
I have been considering playing them all in order starting with the pixel remasters I-VI... but I am actually really itching to play IX first mainly due to this thread piquing my interest. Maybe I should start with VI, then do IX? Blimey it all, now I can't decide! :roll:
 
@oxrufiioxo truth to be told... i think most final fantasy fans know FF6 is probably the best FF out of all with the biggest potential for a remake... i havent finished it yet but it on par as great as 9 and 7 just wish square enix would green lit that ... and it would probably sell like hot cakes..

Imho it would be expensive and hard to make a full remake and the 3D/2D remakes are loved by some hated by others so I'm not surprised.

If the new FF tactics remake or whatever it's considered is successful I could see them going that route.

I agree though it's the best FF game in my book I wish I was a bit older the first time I played it I would have appreciated it more I was 11 at the time I first played it. Phantasy Star was my Jam and Breath of fire during that time lol crazy to think back at all the awesome turn based RPGs glad expedition 33 is getting people excited about old school turn based RPG again.

I have been considering playing them all in order starting with the pixel remasters I-VI... but I am actually really itching to play IX first mainly due to this thread piquing my interest. Maybe I should start with VI, then do IX? Blimey it all, now I can't decide! :roll:

Honestly if you play 9 and like it you'll like the older games. 1-4 are hard to play in 2025 lol 5/6 I could still play though on OG SNES lol. The way square released FF back then was stupid though I don't even think there was a version of 5 and I played 6 which is 3 in the west first and tried to play the older games but it was very difficult to even find them and gave up keep in mind I was 11/12 lol and the internet wasn't really a thing how it is now.
 
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Thanks for the recommendation guys, I don't mind older graphics I still play NES/PS1 games emulated either on PC or on my Anbernic, I play Project A-spec (Gran Turismo 2 mod) daily and sometime I play other NES games like Adventure Island, Super Mario Bros 3 while I at it so really I don't mind those kind of graphics. I could start on VI and see how it goes, but I curious what Princess Garnet have to say as well.
 
FFXII was always my favorite, followed closely or matched by FFX/X-2... but I just learned I never actually finished XII...

because XII isn't just one game:

XII, Revenant Wings, Tactics A2, Tactics, Vagrant Story and Tactics Avdance


all of these games take place in FFXII world... omg... I have so many games to play lmao

I think I am going to scratch my plans for the pixel remaster I-VI, and do IX this year, then early next year I will work on the complete chronology of FFXII's worlds.
 
I wanted to ask you if I never play any FF game and have interest in the game, which one would you recommend me to play first? I also, apart from Expedition 33, never play turn-based games so I don't have much experience on that front.
I think I gave my opinion about this earlier in the thread but I might be mistaken.

There is no objectively correct opinion to the best starting point because the split opinions of the Final Fantasy fan base speaks for itself. Different people like different things. But a common opinion you'll get from most fans to that question is probably Final Fantasy X, and I don't disagree with that. It's the safest answer with the less amount of pre-requisites to get you to accept it. It's 3D, and while it doesn't look as good as current titles, it also hasn't aged poorly enough to feel hard to tolerate like the early 3D era titles sometimes may. It also feels relatively modern enough while retaining most of the key aspects of the classic titles (the lack of a world map being the exception). If you played Clair Obscur, it would probably be most similar to this entry overall (just don't expect most of the real-time elements in combat).

If you specifically want a 2D era entry, I'd say the best one for that becomes IV. VI is a consideration if you only see yourself playing a single 2D era entry and no more, because VI is definitely better (it's arguably one of the best in the whole series, if not the best) and it's still easy to jump into, but I feel IV is a better starting point for this era if you won't be limiting yourself to one 2D entry.

For I through VI, I'd personally consider the pixel rematsers the definitive versions to play, at least for newcomers, despite some of the other versions having "more content".

Mostly there is not correct order. Maybe don't jump straight into II (or III) or VIII, and consider entries like IV, VI, VII, IX, or X as better starting points. V is great but it's big focus is less on a meaty story and most of its draw is on the job system for combat gameplay, so I'd say it makes a great game but not the greatest overall introduction to the series. As for I... it's fine, but it's basically bare essentials gameplay with almost no story. I consider it worth playing but like V, not really as a the best starting point (unless you intentionally plan to play through most/all of them in order or something, in which case starting with I is just fine).
 
Love your lengthy writeup Princess Garnet, really appreciate it :love: That is a lot to digest but I get what you mean that question really is too broad and personal preferences also matter in decision making, but I get the general idea where I should go. This gives Star Wars vibe because most people will probably start with VII on PS1 first or VI on SNES for example.

I go with oxrufiioxo suggestion first and play FF VI first because wherever I read it's the best like you guys said, I'm going with the SNES version because I think it might be simpler to play for someone new to this game, but before I download I read about some differences between Japan and USA ROM so I use the Ted Woolsey uncensored ones to play on my Anbernic, played a few minutes of it and so far so good. I might play X next if this continue my interest as per Garnet suggestion.
 
the recently released Final Fantasy I-VI pixel remasters, does 2 still equal 4 for those?

No, it's just the original SNES releases of II and III are 4 and 6 in the pixel remastered they are ordered correctly.
 
the recently released Final Fantasy I-VI pixel remasters, does 2 still equal 4 for those?
No, the modern naming scheme is in line with the actual releases. So 4 is 4 in line with the original Japanese release. More to the point, if you want to play the game that we North Americans got on the SNES as FF2, you want to play the modern FF4. Our FF3 is the modern FF6. We never got 5 until the Playstation1 and we never got the real 2 & 3 until GBA and NDS.
 
No, the modern naming scheme is in line with the actual releases. So 4 is 4 in line with the original Japanese release. More to the point, if you want to play the game that we North Americans got on the SNES as FF2, you want to play the modern FF4. Our FF3 is the modern FF6. We never got 5 until the Playstation1 and we never got the real 2 & 3 until GBA and NDS.

I remember being super confused as an 11 year old kid trying to figure out how to play them all after playing 3 on SNES and not realizing we were missing 2,3,4. My buddy at the time told me it was part 6 not sure how he knew.

I remember getting it because the boxart had a moogle on it which at the time I had no idea what it was.

Glad I found this lmao, Do you have what it takes.

 
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and not realizing we were missing 2,3,4.
5, not 4. We got FF1, FF4 and FF6. The real 2, 3 and 5 we never got until much later.
My buddy at the time told me it was part 6 not sure how he knew.
He likely read it in a gaming magazine. GamePro, GameInformer and DiehardGameFan all did articles about the differences between our FF3 and Japan's FF6.
 
5, not 4. We got FF1, FF4 and FF6. The real 2, 3 and 5 we never got until much later.

He likely read it in a gaming magazine. GamePro, GameInformer and DiehardGameFan all did articles about the differences between our FF3 and Japan's FF6.

Yeah meant 5, miss type. I remember not being able to find a copy of FF II back then and not playing it till much later crazy how hard it was to find older games although I was probably around 12 years old so my means were limited lol.


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A bummer if true

 
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I remember being super confused as an 11 year old kid trying to figure out how to play them all after playing 3 on SNES and not realizing we were missing 2,3,4. My buddy at the time told me it was part 6 not sure how he knew.

I remember getting it because the boxart had a moogle on it which at the time I had no idea what it was.

Glad I found this lmao, Do you have what it takes.


this is so out of character for a moogle... :o
 
Was it though? Mog and crew were power-house badasses in FF6! Mog was in no way a lesser character in the game. Still, a very funny commercial!

If I'm remembering correctly he was very good at magic and had good defense. Probably why he zapped everyone in the commercial.
 
If I'm remembering correctly he was very good at magic and had good defense. Probably why he zapped everyone in the commercial.
He really was. Give him the magicite Ifrit, Shiva, Ramuh and Ragnarok to learn spells from and he becomes the magic user from hell! Gogo and Celes were the other two that learned the Ultima spell quickly(IIRC).
 
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We never got 5 until the Playstation1.
And the downside to this was that because it was released on the PlayStation, it had loading times the original version didn't have. The actual PlayStation games made up for loading times with what they offered, but in Final Fantasy V's case, it was just the same game... but worse. Oh, and apparently it had a poor translation but I can't comment there (nor do I know if the pixel rematsers used a better one). I guess that's better than "not available at all" but thank goodness the pixel remasters are now a thing.
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A bummer if true

It really would be!

I know some people are mixed on remakes, but I'm of the belief that if you don't care for one, you also really shouldn't have a reason to be against one. Humans recycle things all the time, remake or not. It's a fact of life that things will be recycled and remade. If there's enough room to improve something due to changes since its original time, then why not? It's not like there's a shortage of "new" games out there (more the opposite these days). I've been enjoying many of the remakes in the last many years, and since this game has some aspects that aged somewhat poorly (and has potential to be improved even for the things that didn't), I'd enjoy a remake for my favorite game more than i already enjoy the ones I have been playing.

Videos started showing up the day of the anniversary when a remake wasn't announced saying that it was canceled. Unfortunately, half the community is setting itself for disappointment by constantly setting new targets and going "if it's not announced at this event, then it's not real". But the reasoning for the rumor isn't because it wasn't announced that day, but rather because a supposed insider (with a mixed track record?) made a claim that it might be due to an unconfirmed source. It's... still concerning to me though. Of all games that deserve a remake, this is one of them.

If there is a remake that was in development and if there is any risk to it, then hopefully it's more because they decide to rework it rather than cancel it from happening at all.
 
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Hopefully FF9 remake hasnt kicked the bucket... and hope its just been put aside
Square-enix has been putting their resources and funds on recent mediocre titles, i think it does okayish in japan
but western audience might not be so...

I did not like what they did with FF15... the main game felt unfinished... then i realized they cut off bits into dlc...
Funded a movie on pre events of the main game... also brotherhood ff15 anime... then monsters of the deep (vr title) and also a FF15 based MMO FF15: A New Empire which kicked the bucket last year...

There was also that FF7 first soldier... tried to cash in money from people who play on smartphone... kicked the bucket in 2023

Hopefully they have learned from this and tried not to expand a single FF world further.... finish off FF7 remake trilogy
Make FF17 a more grounded FF title that people have come to know and love... instead of trying to make the characters as realistic as possible... and then gameplay and story gets less attention..
Ever since Final Fantasy Spirit within... they have been obsessed with making their characters as life like as possible...

But i guess newer FF titles are meant for newer audience into the franchise.. and not us old fans :(
 
One of the concerns I've read (although it's been uncommon to see) has been that Square Enix might try and force Final Fantasy IX to be a franchise. The reason for it was because of all the things that could be seen as a push to expand the universe.

There was an animation adaptation rumor (which is also rumored to potentially be cancelled since the development studio that was supposedly working on it declared bankruptcy). This was supposed to be a short story about Vivi's "children" years after the end of the game.

There was also the recent short story book. This shows a small portion of Vivi's backstory during the time between when he fell off the cargo ship and when he was found by Quan (his "grandpa").

There's the fact that Square is going out on its 25th anniversary more like they did with VII before the announcement of the second part of its remake, compared to VIII which got very little, including a lot of merchandise (and people are wondering if the new figures and art might be signs of the designs and styles that a potential remake might use). This merchandise included vinyl record with an alternate recording of Melodies of Life.

Final Fantasy IX also literally shows up under "franchise" on their website, despite being a very old title which is currently not a franchise. Some people claim Square includes entries under that header for titles which have a lot of merchandise on their store... which Final Fantasy IX currently does.

Then there was the statement by the Final Fantasy XIV team lead, something about if a remake of IX were to happen, he could see it being split or something due to it being a huge undertaking? I can't remember the specifics on this one.

This is all alongside the rumors of a remake itself... which now has a similar rumor to the animation.

I personally didn't think any of that signified an attempt to establish a franchise out of it, but you never know. Final Fantasy IX is known to be more beloved by the community than the sales totals suggest, and companies like money, so if they see an opportunity...

But I don't really care about that. I just want to see a remake, and this has been my stance before the original rumors even came to light with the nVidia leak and before anyone else was talking about it. I've always wanted to see the game made better.
But i guess newer FF titles are meant for newer audience into the franchise.. and not us old fans :(
This shift happened all the way back with Final Fantasy VII. The retrospective I linked to from Resonant Arc earlier touches upon this in the development history and how there was a shift in development goals after that time due to the success of VII (and VIII). There were internal disagreements on which direction the series should go in. The higher ups and some of the then-new senior team members wanted to go with the newer sci-fi and realistic direction since it was bringing in more fans and money, and series creator Hirnobu Sakaguchi wasn't onboard with all of the changes and wanted the series to remain flexible in style and not abandon so many of the older core things. One team worked on VIII, another on IX, and after the lower success of IX (compared to VII and VII) and after the Spirits Within movie did poorly (which Sakaguchi was involved with), Sakaguchi moved on from Squaresoft, they merged with Enix, and the series not only continued to change, but arguably increased the rate at which it does.

Current entries barely resemble the original VII at all (the original VII is now much closer to IX than it is to most entries after X). So it's stuck to its goal of constantly chasing mainstream things from other games and even other genres in an attempt to broaden its appeal against the wishes of previous fans. People these days commonly complain about how "chasing the modern audience" is what's wrong with many games (including this series), yet it was the success of VII that set it down that path, the same entry that was the first for so many.

The chances of this happening seems to increase as a series becomes older, because tech and gaming trends eventually change. And they were changing a lot two to three decades ago, let alone the time between then and now. Final Fantasy is a series with perhaps the most split fan base, because the series itself has become so split in what it even is. When you have to ask yourself what to expect from the next entry in a series because it has been hopping style and genre (!) so much, then maybe it's too much change. Like, what will the next one even be? An MMO? A single player JRPG? An action game with Devil May cry Combat? A dark games of Thrones story? A remake? You shouldn't have to ask these things, and that's the problem with the series and it's why the fan base is so split. The overall market is now so broad but each title is so different that everyone just fights over it, haha.
 
This shift happened all the way back with Final Fantasy VII. The retrospective I linked to from Resonant Arc earlier touches upon this in the development history and how there was a shift in development goals after that time due to the success of VII (and VIII). There were internal disagreements on which direction the series should go in. The higher ups and some of the then-new senior team members wanted to go with the newer sci-fi and realistic direction since it was bringing in more fans and money, and series creator Hirnobu Sakaguchi wasn't onboard with all of the changes and wanted the series to remain flexible in style and not abandon so many of the older core things. One team worked on VIII, another on IX, and after the lower success of IX (compared to VII and VII) and after the Spirits Within movie did poorly (which Sakaguchi was involved with), Sakaguchi moved on from Squaresoft, they merged with Enix, and the series not only continued to change, but arguably increased the rate at which it does.

Current entries barely resemble the original VII at all (the original VII is now much closer to IX than it is to most entries after X). So it's stuck to its goal of constantly chasing mainstream things from other games and even other genres in an attempt to broaden its appeal against the wishes of previous fans. People these days commonly complain about how "chasing the modern audience" is what's wrong with many games (including this series), yet it was the success of VII that set it down that path, the same entry that was the first for so many.

The chances of this happening seems to increase as a series becomes older, because tech and gaming trends eventually change. And they were changing a lot two to three decades ago, let alone the time between then and now. Final Fantasy is a series with perhaps the most split fan base, because the series itself has become so split in what it even is. When you have to ask yourself what to expect from the next entry in a series because it has been hopping style and genre (!) so much, then maybe it's too much change. Like, what will the next one even be? An MMO? A single player JRPG? An action game with Devil May cry Combat? A dark games of Thrones story? A remake? You shouldn't have to ask these things, and that's the problem with the series and it's why the fan base is so split. The overall market is now so broad but each title is so different that everyone just fights over it, haha.

You'd think they would have taken more inspiration from FFX their biggest FF series by sales for future games but even 12 is way different and nothing after that is even remotely close.

I do find it interesting that the most successful singular entry since X is 15 outside of the MMO games and it's by a decent margin. I think if Square could go back they would not have done the FF7R the investment hasn't seemed to pay off.

What was it around 3 months ago they said they were going into a reboot that would take 3 years and canceled a whole bunch of projects.
 
And the downside to this was that because it was released on the PlayStation, it had loading times the original version didn't have.
True, but in fairness, the load time weren't as bad as many other PS1 titles.
but in Final Fantasy V's case, it was just the same game... but worse.
Yeah, the Fan translation done by JRPGe was excellent and still my favorite version of the game.
 
In retrospect, Final Fantasy X really seemed to land at precisely a key time. A new console generation had just made so much more possible, it was the flagship entry of the series for said console, the industry had figured things out a bit better from the experimentation era of 3D from the late 1990s, but it still had most of the classic core elements (the world map was the only major missing thing until X-2, which also saw us lose summons and party member total, but that was treated differently being the first sequel at the time) and it was before Square was as far into their current trajectory of lengthier development time frames. So Final Fantasy X sort of ended up as the perfect hybrid that still feels modern enough while also being classic. It's part of why it's the safe go-to recommendation whenever anyone asks "which one should I start with".

Final Fantasy XII is an interesting case. While there were four "main line" Final Fantasy titles on the PlayStation 2, one was a sequel and another was an MMO, so if you look at "new" single player entries, it was only the second after X and it came way late into the console generation (and was sort of overlooked as a result just like IX was). While X dropped the world map and X-2 dropped summons, it wasn't known if these were "gone" or just absent from those individual titles (especially with X-2 being a sequel that had mixed reception at the time). When XII launched, now the battle system was changed. I know everyone was wanting to abandon turn-based in the early-mid 2000s but after the changes X and X-2 made, XII changing the battle system (and after XI was an MMO and X-2 itself was a sequel) signaled to me that the series was willing to change anything and everything with no regard to consistency. In other words, I'd say it was after X (or X-2 at least) where the series changed, not after XII. X-2, XI, and XII are all very different from what came before.
 
Love your lengthy writeup Princess Garnet, really appreciate it :love: That is a lot to digest but I get what you mean that question really is too broad and personal preferences also matter in decision making, but I get the general idea where I should go. This gives Star Wars vibe because most people will probably start with VII on PS1 first or VI on SNES for example.

I go with oxrufiioxo suggestion first and play FF VI first because wherever I read it's the best like you guys said, I'm going with the SNES version because I think it might be simpler to play for someone new to this game, but before I download I read about some differences between Japan and USA ROM so I use the Ted Woolsey uncensored ones to play on my Anbernic, played a few minutes of it and so far so good. I might play X next if this continue my interest as per Garnet suggestion.
If you haven’t steam is having a final fantasy franchise sale atm ff9 is dirt cheap and ff6 is like $9 or something
 
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