A Question About Infraction Points and Something Else

[64K]

My name is mud right now but I'm curious about something. Why is there a designated number of infraction points to be banned for whatever the time limit? I can't make heads or tails out of it.

ok, I'm the probably only idiot here that has been banned for a year for being a dick head and I deserved it. That is on my rap sheet and it's a forever thing.

Also could you establish a Parliament outside of Moderator powers to resolve issues? Maybe a House of Commons with a Minister to represent the common folk here. Nothing granting any real powers to us.....just a voice?

 

[R-T-B]

Also could you establish a Parliament outside of Moderator powers to resolve issues? Maybe a House of Commons with a Minister to represent the common folk here. Nothing granting any real powers to us.....just a voice?

That's w1zzard. He's the peoples Emperor.

 

[nomdeplume]

Also could you establish a Parliament outside of Moderator powers to resolve issues? Maybe a House of Commons with a Minister to represent the common folk here. Nothing granting any real powers to us.....just a voice?

Pissed up a rope and having trouble seeing past a knot to tell if you soaked the whole thing?

 

[Frick]

Also could you establish a Parliament outside of Moderator powers to resolve issues? Maybe a House of Commons with a Minister to represent the common folk here. Nothing granting any real powers to us.....just a voice?

That's what forums are.

That's w1zzard. He's the peoples Emperor.

And this is all run by his pleasure. He does have business tied to it so he can't just piss about, but yeah.

My name is mud right now but I'm curious about something. Why is there a designated number of infraction points to be banned for whatever the time limit? I can't make heads or tails out of it.

ok, I'm the probably only idiot here that has been banned for a year for being a dick head and I deserved it. That is on my rap sheet and it's a forever thing.

I was banned for more than that I think. It's not a forever thing. I have no idea what you did, and I'd wager only some of the mods have any idea and as long as you behave they probably won't care much (if you did something truly horrendous they wouldn't have let you back).

 

[64K]

That's what forums are.

And this is all run by his pleasure. He does have business tied to it so he can't just piss about, but yeah.


I was banned for more than that I think. It's not a forever thing. I have no idea what you did, and I'd wager only some of the mods have any idea and as long as you behave they probably won't care much (if you did something truly horrendous they wouldn't have let you back).

You can't silence people who can't speak because they can't speak.

This is not about me. I threw all of that that shit away years before my present account.

And I did something really stupid to get where I am but it didn't hurt anyone important. Just a moderator's pride and he was a good person as were we both.

 

[Athlonite]

If you can't stay within the rules for posting in these forums then you gets what you get simple as that there is no appeals process which I think is a fair cop if you get a 12 month ban you really have to do some silly shit. I've learnt my lesson after a few points and short posting bans and arguing at all with a mod about anything especially if they've already said cut it out in a thread is a sure way to get banned if you really must argue or be silly about something with someone your much better to take it off the forums and into DM's .
At the end of the day there is a forum usage policy and if you stay within its rules then you won't have a problem with the mods

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Any time you want to vent about certain mods or people, you are more than welcome to PM me.

Point system actually means nothing. Can be amended by admin and super mods. Don't let it bother you.

The points you've received just means you have character.

 

[eidairaman1]

Any time you want to vent about certain mods or people, you are more than welcome to PM me.

Point system actually means nothing. Can be amended by admin and super mods. Don't let it bother you.

The points you've received just means you have character.

My rapsheet is huge

Be glad you can write, same with you @64K

 

[Dr. Dro]

I mean, seems clear cut don't be a belligerent (popular Australian slang) all the time and you won't get points. If you got a year out you must have murdered a kitten or something. Moderation here is VERY reasonable. I got 2 3-point infractions in almost 4 years, being active basically every day since I registered, and both times I fully deserved it.

If someone bothers you, just put them on ignore (or don't, just don't curse their moms because you don't like the same brand of video card as they do )

 

[64K]

Thank you for everyone commenting here. This is a controversial issue.

Whether I disagree with what is said here or not, we are all a part of our community and I stand by that.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Thank you for everyone commenting here. This is a controversial issue.

Whether I disagree with what is said here or not, we are all a part of our community and I stand by that.

Why worry. This my second account dude. I self terminated lol.

10 year tag. I have to wait 10 years to receive. you're good dude.

 

[eidairaman1]

Why worry. This my second account dude. I self terminated lol.

10 year tag. I have to wait 10 years to receive. you're good dude.

It just states how long, it has no significance as to what we contribute to this forum. There are some who have had an account then like 10 years later they pop in and it's like who's this greenhorn?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Why is there a designated number of infraction points to be banned for whatever the time limit? I can't make heads or tails out of it.

The points system is essentially to show who repeat offenders are. Points have an expiry date. If you accumulate too many points you lose the ability to post until you drop down below that threshold. If someone does a lot of small offenses in a short time frame they will be restricted from posting, as will a couple of big offenses. An odd duration of a posting ban is probably due to your earliest points expiring and you dropping below the limit, but the points that put you over that threshold are still active.

All bans are run through the points system. It is kind of a one-stop shop so mods can see the account history.

Also could you establish a Parliament outside of Moderator powers to resolve issues? Maybe a House of Commons with a Minister to represent the common folk here. Nothing granting any real powers to us.....just a voice?

The protocol is to PM the moderator and include a supermod (or multiple) if you can't work it out. Or contact a supermod directly. If it is extremely serious, contact W1zz. Just don't take a traffic violation to the Supreme Court just because you don't like it . Not accusing you, just pointing that out. We do hold internal discussions and review it if the member disagrees.

Public drama doesn't really help, mostly it brings people out of the woodwork who are upset about a recent mod action. And then a few folks stand up for the mod team, and then arguments happen. It sucks to have to infract someone for arguing on the side of the mod team.

 

[tabascosauz]

Also could you establish a Parliament outside of Moderator powers to resolve issues? Maybe a House of Commons with a Minister to represent the common folk here. Nothing granting any real powers to us.....just a voice?

TPU isn't just majoritarian rule. And thank the lord it isn't. What violating forum guidelines has to do with having a "voice" of the "common folk", I have no idea. And why should said user's voice be vested in another user, when the subject matter concerns specifically said user and the mods only?

We have discussions amongst ourselves and views don't always align 100% on how to deal with something.

Neither points nor duration are set in stone, and for good reason because infraction-worthy messages aren't created equal. A one-off out of ignorance of forum rules doesn't deserve an instant 15 points for a year. Conversely, a hypothetical someone who has racked up multiple infractions in the span of a few days also no longer deserves a lenient 0 point reminder.

This is not about me.

Then what is it about?

No one took your voice away. Your first stop is always PM, if you have concerns about anything specific. If you have questions about how things work, mods' inboxes are always open. As long as you also treat us like people in PMs (a pretty low bar - but also apparently very difficult for a small minority - considering what we receive over PM sometimes), it's not like you are barred from expressing your opinion / receiving an explanation / having a discussion.

If it's not anything specific, then vague venting over your dissatisfaction falls more on the pointless public drama side of things, which is never appreciated. See forum guidelines for details.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

It just states how long, it has no significance as to what we contribute to this forum. There are some who have had an account then like 10 years later they pop in and it's like who's this greenhorn?

Haha. If we went by contribution measurements, you'd be over qualified.

There is no explanation of the points system. 2 moderators, you and nothing.

10pts = what?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

10pts = what?

Are you asking what having 10 points does or what you have to to to get 10 points?

 

[64K]

@Count von Schwalbe You are are a hell of a lot smarter than I will ever be.

 

[tabascosauz]

Haha. If we went by contribution measurements, you'd be over qualified.

There is no explanation of the points system. 2 moderators, you and nothing.

10pts = what?

2/3 of the way to a post ban?
10 more than 0?
Square root of 100?

Other than 15 and 25, point value is the vaguest of suggestions as to how heavy an infraction is, but like I said, like duration, nothing is set in stone - for good reason.

 

[64K]

2/3 of the way to a post ban?
10 more than 0?
Square root of 100?

Other than 15 and 25, point value is the vaguest of suggestions as to how heavy an infraction is, but like I said, like duration, nothing is set in stone - for good reason.

So it comes down to math?

I'm a moving target here because I don't play well with the moderators here?

I have never been a "fall in and be a good soldier" kind of person. I'm the glass-cannon guy standing right next to you.

And no, I don't expect this will end well for me here. It's just a matter of time as always.

 

[tabascosauz]

So it comes down to math?

Don't quote me on it but I'm pretty sure the numbers (15 no-post and 25 ban) are just defaults set by Xenforo

I'm a moving target here because I don't play well with the moderators here?

Your words, not mine. I don't stalk you and really haven't much clue of the troubles you keep alluding to.

Follow forum guidelines and no one cares. Intentionally disrespect them and push the limits, and maybe someone will care?

And no, I don't expect this will end well for me here. It's just a matter of time as always.

Frankly, I don't know why you are making a big deal out of things. We don't have it out for you for whatever bizarre reason, and your rap sheet isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. And you're still here.

If this is about something specific, then again, it's best to take it to PMs with the mods to address it.

If you are just here to vent and be "the glass-cannon" guy, then this thread has pretty much run its course.

 

[64K]

Don't quote me on it but I'm pretty sure the numbers (15 no-post and 25 ban) are just defaults set by Xenforo



Your words, not mine. I don't stalk you and really haven't much clue of the troubles you keep alluding to.

Follow forum guidelines and no one cares. Intentionally disrespect them and push the limits, and maybe someone will care?



Frankly, I don't know why you are making a big deal out of things. We don't have it out for you for whatever bizarre reason, and your rap sheet isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. And you're still here.

If this is about something specific, then again, it's best to take it to PMs with the mods to address it.

If you are just here to vent and be "the glass-cannon" guy, then this thread has pretty much run its course.

You over-simplify and dismiss.

 

[Onasi]

I am still not exactly sure why the concept of “don’t be an asshole and the mods won’t have any reason to infract you” is some big controversial thing that 64K once again is asking for financial support bringing it up. And it’s actually more lenient than you think - you can absolutely push back a bit if others are being unreasonable and that’s unlikely to get you infracted. The point system is… I believe it’s just a default Xenforo thing? It doesn’t really matter either way, small things might get expired by mods ahead of time, while something insanely big, offensive and stupid will get you insta-banned regardless of points, I assume.

The concept of the “people parliament” is interesting, but it already kinda exists - most major forum changes and even sometimes site changes are presented by W1zz ahead of time for discussion. Exposing mod action like that is deeply unnecessary - if one can’t pleas their case to, potentially, several mods by themselves they PROBABLY deserve the infraction. Besides, all such a parliamentary system would do is cause MORE bickering and, hilariously, would probably lead to said parliament members getting banned. A self inflicted gunpowder plot, if you may.

 

[tabascosauz]

You over-simplify and dismiss.

Pretty much all that needs to be said has already been said, multiple times. At this point this is just starting to look like trolling.

If you want to have a discussion with the mod team over PM, you are more than welcome to (and wouldn't be the first user to have a discussion with us that way).

Otherwise, take a second to place yourself in our shoes, as to whether we would be appreciative of intentional public drama.

 

[W1zzard]

I see that the thread is closed and not much useful discussion came out of it, still sharing below for others if they wonder. Feel free to PM me if any questions.

Why is there a designated number of infraction points to be banned for whatever the time limit?

The limit is 25 points and when setting the forums up 20 years ago I picked it, so that there's enough buffer for repeated screw ups, which are usually worth 3 or 5 points. Also nearly all points come with an expiration, so you have even more buffer to screw up, and their expiration timers will continue to run even when you're banned after hitting 25. Once you hit 15 points you can't make new posts, again another option to cool down.

At least to me this makes much more sense than no way to know where you stand and suddenly one day, someone decides that we're tired of all the warnings you're getting and bans you on the spot.