• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

A Rather Random Thought

FreedomEclipse

~Technological Technocrat~
Joined
Apr 20, 2007
Messages
23,228 (3.77/day)
Location
London,UK
System Name Codename: Icarus Mk.VI
Processor Intel 8600k@Stock -- pending tuning
Motherboard Asus ROG Strixx Z370-F
Cooling CPU: BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 {1xCorsair ML120 Pro|5xML140 Pro}
Memory 32GB XPG Gammix D10 {2x16GB}
Video Card(s) ASUS Dual Radeon™ RX 6700 XT OC Edition
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 512GB SSD (Boot)|WD SN770 (Gaming)|2x 3TB Toshiba DT01ACA300|2x 2TB Crucial BX500
Display(s) LG GP850-B
Case Corsair 760T (White)
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V573|Speakers: JBL Control One|Auna 300-CN|Wharfedale Diamond SW150
Power Supply Corsair AX760
Mouse Logitech G900
Keyboard Duckyshine Dead LED(s) III
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
I was just browsing Amazon for thermal paste and it just occurred to me that TPU never got into testing thermal pastes. Even Guru3D did to a lesser extent although they havent done one for a while but otherwise it seems to be the realm of Tomshardware and other tech sites.

I guess it was something not worth devoting resources into
 
Joined
Feb 22, 2016
Messages
1,374 (0.47/day)
Processor Intel i5 8400
Motherboard Asus Prime H370M-Plus/CSM
Cooling Scythe Big Shuriken & Noctua NF-A15 HS-PWM chromax.black.swap
Memory 8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport LT DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) ROG-STRIX-GTX1060-O6G-GAMING
Storage 1TB 980 Pro
Display(s) Samsung UN55KU6300F
Case Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 3
Power Supply Super Flower Leadex III 750w
Software W11 Pro
There was and appears to continue being a quite serious contingent of users tackling this. If memory serves correctly this site... well I hope you are prepared.



Will @lexluthermiester please come to the courtesy desk.

There is a gentlemaaaaaaIIIIIIGGHHHHHH AAAAAAAIGGGGGGGGJJJJJJJHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIJJJJJJJJJJHHHHIIII n waiting here for you.
 
Joined
May 8, 2020
Messages
578 (0.41/day)
System Name Mini efficient rig.
Processor R9 3900, @4ghz -0.05v offset. 110W peak.
Motherboard Gigabyte B450M DS3H, bios f41 pcie 4.0 unlocked.
Cooling some server blower @1500rpm
Memory 2x16GB oem Samsung D-Die. 3200MHz
Video Card(s) RX 6600 Pulse w/conductonaut @65C hotspot
Storage 1x 128gb nvme Samsung 950 Pro - 4x 1tb sata Hitachi 2.5" hdds
Display(s) Samsung C24RG50FQI
Case Jonsbo C2 (almost itx sized)
Audio Device(s) integrated Realtek crap
Power Supply Seasonic SSR-750FX
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Redragon K539 brown switches
Software Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 + Windows 10 21H2 LTSC (patched).
Benchmark Scores Cinebench: R15 3050 pts, R20 7000 pts, R23 17800 pts, r2024 1050 pts.
even same brand of thermal paste varies a bit from batch to batch, so a review wont be that useful.
Personally when i need the best performance, that can also do 2+ years on a single application, i go straight for conductonaut. Then if you need aluminum-friendly paste that doesnt pump out - there is hydronaut.
 
Joined
Jun 21, 2021
Messages
2,513 (2.55/day)
System Name daily driver Mac mini M2 Pro
Processor Apple Silicon M2 Pro (6 p-cores, 4 e-cores)
Motherboard Apple proprietary
Cooling Apple proprietary
Memory Apple proprietary 16GB LPDDR5 unified memory
Video Card(s) Apple Silicon M2 Pro (16-core GPU)
Storage Apple proprietary 512GB SSD + various external HDDs
Display(s) LG 27UL850W (4K@60Hz IPS)
Case Apple proprietary
Audio Device(s) Apple proprietary
Power Supply Apple proprietary
Mouse Apple Magic Trackpad 2
Keyboard Keychron K1 tenkeyless (Gateron Reds)
Software macOS Ventura 13 (including latest patches)
Benchmark Scores (My Windows daily driver is a Beelink Mini S12. I'm not interested in benchmarking.)
I was just browsing Amazon for thermal paste and it just occurred to me that TPU never got into testing thermal pastes. Even Guru3D did to a lesser extent although they havent done one for a while but otherwise it seems to be the realm of Tomshardware and other tech sites.
I'm not sure if there's much value in TPU putting resources into this endeavor. We've seen the results of Tom's Hardware on-going thermal interface testing and there are some very obvious takeaways.

1.) Liquid metal (as a category) performs better than conventional thermal pastes. It's also trickier to apply (especially for someone who isn't routinely applying thermal pastes) and is more expensive.
2.) Conventional thermal pastes are all within 3-4 °C of performance of each other. So the choice of which one doesn't matter that much.
3.) None of these test longevity of the thermal compound and perform over months/years. We saw Arctic withdraw MX-5 from the market due to extended performance issues and QC variability between batches.

Remember that for Joe Hobbyist, they might paste up a CPU or GPU once or twice and be done with it. So a pricey tube of some premium brand isn't going to matter versus a tub of industrial grade stuff that some PC repair shop owner might buy. The scale is totally different.

Much performance of the thermal compound is reliant on the skill of the person applying it. Someone who regularly applies thermal paste (testers, PC repair shop technicians, etc.) will have better, more consistent results than someone who does it once every 2-3 years. Just like decorating a cake. I assure you that if you don't have regular, long-term experience in working with cake frosting, you will not get professional grade wedding cake results.

Makes zero sense for TPU to start testing thermal compounds. Someone is already doing is and they've shown that it matters little which brand it is. It's more important that the paste is properly applied.
 

Space Lynx

Astronaut
Joined
Oct 17, 2014
Messages
15,496 (4.53/day)
Location
Kepler-186f
thermal paste is dead.

just use thermal grizzly kryosheet, performs equal to even the best pastes. never need paste again.

thread closed. easy peasy. give me a hard challenge next time lads.

 
Joined
Sep 10, 2018
Messages
5,415 (2.71/day)
Location
California
System Name His & Hers
Processor R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock
Motherboard X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
Cooling Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk
Video Card(s) Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Storage lots of SSD.
Display(s) LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz
Case 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s) Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B
Power Supply Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro
thermal paste is dead.

just use thermal grizzly kryosheet, performs equal to even the best pastes. never need paste again.

thread closed. easy peasy. give me a hard challenge next time lads.


I do want to try those they seemed to work pretty well on the Asus 4090 super Lube edition after Hub removed the Liquid metal during their tear down.
 
Joined
Jul 30, 2019
Messages
2,198 (1.31/day)
System Name Not a thread ripper but pretty good.
Processor Ryzen 9 5950x
Motherboard ASRock X570 Taichi (revision 1.06, BIOS/UEFI version P5.50)
Cooling EK-Quantum Velocity, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, EK-CoolStream PE 360, Alphacool NexXxoS ST25 360
Memory Micron DDR4-3200 ECC Unbuffered Memory (4 sticks, 128GB, 18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1)
Video Card(s) XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate
Storage Samsung 2TB 980 PRO 2TB Gen4x4 NVMe, Samsung 2TB 970 EVO Plus Gen3x4 NVMe x 2
Display(s) 2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount)
Case Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model)
Power Supply Corsair RM750x
Mouse Logitech M575
Keyboard Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2
Software Windows 10 Professional (64bit)
Benchmark Scores Typical for non-overclocked CPU.
thermal paste is dead.

just use thermal grizzly kryosheet, performs equal to even the best pastes. never need paste again.

thread closed. easy peasy. give me a hard challenge next time lads.

I wonder if they will come out with a sheet that wicks liquid metal. That would be much easier to apply and would help keep it from spilling out.
 
Joined
Jan 18, 2012
Messages
201 (0.05/day)
Location
Somewhere in the middle of my universe
System Name The Dark side of the room
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard MSI MEG X570 Unify
Cooling Custom loop watercooling (Bykski CPU-XPR-POM-M-V2, Alphacool Eisblock GPX, Freezemod PU-PWM5B18W)
Memory GSkill Ripjaws V DDR4 3600 CL16 (4 x 16GB)
Video Card(s) XFX Speedster QICK 319 Radeon RX 6700 XT
Storage 1 x Kingston KC3000 1024GB + 2 x Kingston NV2 2TB
Display(s) LG 34WP65C Ultrawide 3440x1440 @ 160Hz freesync premium
Case Thermaltake Core P90 TG
Audio Device(s) onboard Realtek® ALC1220 with Logitech Z906
Power Supply MSI MAG A850GF 80 Plus Gold
Mouse Generic
Keyboard Trust Asta GTX 865
Software Windows 11 pro
Benchmark Scores It's a form of exhibitionism...;-), but fun Software programs just have to run nicely....
Nah, let the chip bakers use superconductor materials in their chips and we won't have any heat to deal with (superconductor at ambient temps, not near 0 Kelvin a scientists wet dream :roll:).

Hey, you can't blame me for dreaming....:nutkick:
 
Joined
Dec 25, 2020
Messages
4,165 (3.58/day)
Location
São Paulo, Brazil
System Name Project Kairi Mk. III "Lunar Tear"
Processor 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition
Motherboard MSI MEG Z690 ACE (MS-7D27) BIOS 1.F0
Cooling id-cooling Frostflow X 360 w/ Thermalright BCF and Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme
Memory G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5-6800 F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 6400 MT/s 30-38-38-38-70-2
Video Card(s) ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4080 16GB GDDR6X White OC Edition
Storage 1x WD Black SN750 500 GB NVMe + 4x WD VelociRaptor HLFS 300 GB HDDs
Display(s) 55-inch LG G3 OLED
Case Cooler Master MasterFrame 700 in bench mode
Audio Device(s) EVGA Nu Audio (classic) + Sony MDR-V7 cans/KZ ZSX IEMs
Power Supply EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold
Mouse Razer DeathAdder Essential Mercury White
Keyboard Redragon Shiva Lunar White
Software Windows 10 Enterprise 22H2
Benchmark Scores "Speed isn't life, it just makes it go faster."
The biggest problem with testing TIM and cooling is that you need a controlled ambient with a controlled heat load to even make them comparable. With batch variance, it makes it really hard to assure people that what they are reading is what they will get when they buy. That plus if there's a really bad batch, it tends to spread on forums fast. Personally, I can say good things about the Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme, except for the price. I live in a very hot region and my i9-13900KS processor might as well be a fireball, but it's managed to keep it tame in conjunction with my id cooling 360mm AIO thus far.

Oh, speaking of which... @FreedomEclipse remember the IC Diamond thread? You linked this gem some months ago in some Alphacool thread if I'm not mistaken. Hahahah I still read this sometimes, epic forum fight, wish I had been around at the time... you old timers had it good :roll:

 
Joined
May 15, 2005
Messages
3,516 (0.51/day)
System Name Red Matter 2
Processor Ryzen 5600X
Motherboard X470 Gaming Pro Carbon
Cooling Water is Masterliquid 240 Pro
Memory GeiL EVO X 3600mhz 32g also G.Skill Ripjaw series 5 4x8 3600mhz as backup lol
Video Card(s) Gigabyte Gaming Radeon RX 6800
Storage EVO 860. Rocket Q M.2 SSD WD Blue M.2 SSD Seagate Firecuda 2tb storage.
Display(s) ASUS ROG Swift PG32VQ
Case Phantek P400 Glass
Audio Device(s) EVGA NU Audio
Power Supply EVGA G3 850
Mouse Roccat Military/ Razer Deathadder V2
Keyboard Razer Chroma
Software W10
The community did the footwork on this one lol. I mean...Mayo FTW!!!
 

Solaris17

Super Dainty Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Aug 16, 2005
Messages
25,701 (3.80/day)
Location
Alabama
System Name Rocinante
Processor I9 13900ks
Motherboard EVGA z690 Dark KINGPIN
Cooling EK-AIO Elite 360 D-RGB
Memory 64GB Gskill Trident Z5 DDR5 6000 @6400
Video Card(s) MSI SUPRIM Liquid X 4090
Storage 1x 500GB 980 Pro | 1x 1TB 980 Pro | 1x 8TB Corsair MP400
Display(s) Odyssey OLED G9 G95SC
Case Lian Li o11 Evo Dynamic White
Audio Device(s) Moondrop S8's on Schiit Hel 2e
Power Supply Bequiet! Power Pro 12 1500w
Mouse Lamzu Atlantis (White)
Keyboard Monsgeek M3 Lavender, Akko Crystal Blues
VR HMD Quest 3
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores I dont have time for that.
(as a category)

This. buy based on category. In the early 2000's it mattered a lot more. There were developments in all areas, from heat transfer to consistency, and few products on the market. Now this stuff is formulated and made by the barrel full and there are hundreds of companies and brands.

Categorically they are so close (within 2-3c) that if that variance matters to you or is the difference between stable or not, you have other issues and thermal paste choice should not be the focus of your energy.
 
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Messages
25,504 (6.55/day)
Location
USA
thermal paste is dead.

just use thermal grizzly kryosheet, performs equal to even the best pastes. never need paste again.

thread closed. easy peasy. give me a hard challenge next time lads.

This is not bad advice. Thermal pads seem to be an excellent way to go.

I was just browsing Amazon for thermal paste and it just occurred to me that TPU never got into testing thermal pastes. Even Guru3D did to a lesser extent although they havent done one for a while but otherwise it seems to be the realm of Tomshardware and other tech sites.

I guess it was something not worth devoting resources into
I did some testing in recent years. If you search the threads for my username and the keywords " thermal paste " you'll find them.
 
Top