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Adding 2 more sticks of DDR5 Ram 64gb for a total of 4

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no, anytime a board has 4 slots and you can buy kits with 4 sticks that fit, companies need to make it work.

forcing +90% of users to know detailed things like this, prior to buying just to get stuff to work is a joke, anything else sold that way and ppl would be on the barricades.
At least MSI started being somewhat honest about it on their motherboard specs pages here's the DRAM listing for the OP's board:

Max. overclocking frequency:
• 1DPC 1R Max speed up to 7800+ MHz
• 1DPC 2R Max speed up to 6600+ MHz
• 2DPC 1R Max speed up to 6400+ MHz
• 2DPC 2R Max speed up to 5600+ MHz

ASRock takes it a step further and lists native along with the OC. Meanwhile Asus and Gigabyte both have nothing at all with regards to 1DPC/2DPC.
 

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Meanwhile Asus and Gigabyte both have nothing at all with regards to 1DPC/2DPC.
You sure about that?

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Yeah I'm quite sure because I was talking about the specs page not QVL. If someone's going by the QVL then they wouldn't have a question about what is supported. Of course just because it's on the QVL doesn't mean it will work either as all of the manufacturers seem to use golden samples.
 

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Really? Interesting.
Yeah I wish I could remember which of Buildzoid's videos it was but he went on a long tirade about QVLs. I want to say he was primarily looking at Gigabyte QVLs (he has a lot of their boards) and pointing out high DRAM clocks on 4 slot boards which exceeded the clocks he was able to get on a 2 slot board (can't recall if it was Apex or Tachyon).

On one hand it makes sense why they'd bin memory controllers when doing QVLs (bigger number better), but at the same time it hurts the average customer. Someone who might know to check compatibility may not know what the CPUs are likely to be capable of and end up with something that just won't run. As an example I think all of MSI's 4 slot Z890 boards have 9200 kits on the QVL, but I sure wouldn't expect those to actually work on every CPU.

In Steve's motherboard roundups for HUB he started doing basic DRAM OC checks just to do a quick verify to see if the manufacturer claims hold up and a lot don't (their CPUs are capable of running the clocks) so there's also some variance at the board level too.

Ideally I wish motherboard vendors would just use either average or poor chips for QVLs. Sure the numbers might not be as big, but one could feel a lot more confident about any kit on them working without manual adjustments.
 
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Don't do it. 4x DDR5 never does well. If your just going for looks, you could just not enable XMP but that seems like a big waste of money. Countless threads on TPU about this exact same subject.
Look at my specs to get an idea how well AMD does. Oh well, at least I am in sync with FCLK...

PS: yes, I need the memory. Oh, and post is 15 minutes long now. Fun.
 

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Yes, for everything but the memory bandwidth I am rather proud, heh.
My bandwidth sucks.. Ahh well.

The performance is still..

high fidelity 90s GIF
 
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OK!

The internet said it was hard to run 4x sticks of DDR5 fast.

I did not believe them.

Turns out the internet was right!

It is hard to run them fast.

Hm.
 
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OK!

The internet said it was hard to run 4x sticks of DDR5 fast.

I did not believe them.

Turns out the internet was right!

It is hard to run them fast.

Hm.
I expected that you wouldn't have many issues given yours where lower density.

In other news, my new mothorboard and 4x64GB DIMMs just arrived!
But turns out I had forgotten to buy a new PSU, just sent the order for a 1000W one hour ago, it should be arriving by next week :laugh:
 

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I expected that you wouldn't have many issues given yours where lower density.
I was thinking that too, ahh well for science!

I might keep them anyway.. I thought it was kind of fun trying to get them all to work.

Well.. they work no problem, problems come after 4800MT/s or so..
 
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I was thinking that too, ahh well for science!

I might keep them anyway.. I thought it was kind of fun trying to get them all to work.

Well.. they work no problem, problems come after 4800MT/s or so..
I'll keep you posted once I get to try out mine
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I expected that you wouldn't have many issues given yours where lower density.
I would have expected it to still be difficult based on the frequency scaling for DIMM/rank count combinations that motherboard manufacturers often give (one example is in this post). You can see that two dual rank DIMMs is often listed as having higher supported frequencies than four single rank DIMMs. Not but much, but it is.

By contrast, here's an example of the scaling on a DDR4 platform. (MSI MAG X570S Tomahawk Max WiFi motherboard.)



You can see that four single rank DIMMs is slightly easier than two dual rank DIMMs here.

In other words, rank count was a bigger (relative) factor before, but with DDR5 it is now DIMM count that is. Both factors still make things harder to stabilize, but DDR5 is simply many times worse than prior generations just by having four DIMMs instead of two.

The other important difference is that in the AM4 example here, even the worst case scenario gets you the "sweet spot" on AM4. When it comes to DDR5/AM5, four DIMMs almost surely means you will have to drop below 6,000 MHz which is the sweet spot for those CPUs. Probably not a big deal with an X3D CPU in many games, but it's still a drop, and probably a bigger deal on AM5 non-X3D and on all Intel CPUs (which really want even more than 6,000 MHz so this performance drop from four DIMMs is arguably a bigger loss of performance for Intel platforms).

Also, I don't think capacity itself matters a whole lot here (?), but I'm not sure. I tried to read into how much capacity alone matters and came up with very little information on it. What I found was that it's more about rank count rather than capacity. For example, on DDR5, 4x 32 GB would be harder to stabilize than 4x 16 GB, but (probably?) not because of the capacity itself. It's because the latter would be dual rank DIMMs whereas 16 GB DIMMs are (usually) single rank for DDR5. Once capacity of ICs itself increases to the point where 32 GB DIMMs are able to be single rank (maybe soon since 64 GB DIMMs exist?), then they should be easier to stabilize at higher frequencies than current 32 GB dual rank DIMMs.
 
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Right, on AM4 I was running 4 sticks of B-Die up to 1933MT/s on my Strix B550-XE, I figured it would be the same type of thing with DDR5..

I saw Wendall talk about 4 sticks in his Zen 5 R9 review. I like that guy, he reminds me of my friend Jay, just a glorious brain.

Edit MHz :laugh:
 
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Found my old 650W PSU, decided to give the system a go. Managed to boot it fine with all 4 sticks at 3200MHz.
System would not post whatsoever and instantly shut down at 4800MHz. Tried loading some random timing configs it had for Micron 2x32GB with 1.3V and set it to 4200MHz, it has been stuck in the orange DRAM light for the past 10 minutes :laugh:
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Sweet looking board, would match my case :)
 

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Found my old 650W PSU, decided to give the system a go. Managed to boot it fine with all 4 sticks at 3200MHz.
System would not post whatsoever and instantly shut down at 4800MHz. Tried loading some random timing configs it had for Micron 2x32GB with 1.3V and set it to 4200MHz, it has been stuck in the orange DRAM light for the past 10 minutes :laugh:
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I will use this for future reference. Everytime someone believes 4xDR isn't that hard to run.

You might be able to get 4800 going if you increase the VDDIO and SoC to max.
 
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Updated the bios to a more recent one, it allowed me to enable AEMP. After around 10 minutes training, it managed to post at 5200C42 with 1.25V :peace:
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I'm more than happy with those speeds, specially given that it was an one-click thing. Kudos to Asus for that.

I will use this for future reference. Everytime someone believes 4xDR isn't that hard to run.

You might be able to get 4800 going if you increase the VDDIO and SoC to max.
If only you had waited one extra minute haha
 

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Have you checked memory stability? I believe 5200 is possible for sure, but I don't trust MB vendors to input enough voltage to do so.

Try y-cruncher 10b and if you really have time 25b.
 
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I'll keep you posted once I get to try out mine
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I was looking up the memory you got and saw Kingston is also selling single rank 32GB modules in the same family so I guess that means a decent amount of 32Gb memory IC is hitting the market. Also good to see Asus ensured those boards work correctly with memory that has a CKD since the platform doesn't support it.
 
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Have you checked memory stability? I believe 5200 is possible for sure, but I don't trust MB vendors to input enough voltage to do so.

Try y-cruncher 10b and if you really have time 25b.
Nope, not yet. System has no nvme installed atm, it may take a while for me to set everything up.
Do you have any idea if y-cruncher is as effective on Linux as it is on windows for such stress tests?
 
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