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After these security flaws should i go with Intel 8700k or AMD R 1700 how much it effect the performance or going to???
System Name | Pioneer |
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Processor | Ryzen R9 7950X |
Motherboard | GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans... |
Memory | 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310 |
Storage | 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs |
Display(s) | 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display |
Case | Thermaltake Core X31 |
Audio Device(s) | TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED |
Power Supply | FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W |
Mouse | Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless |
Keyboard | WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps |
Software | Gentoo Linux x64 |
System Name | Xeon build X58 / Main Rig X79 |
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Processor | Intel Xeon x5650 @ 4.2Ghz with HT / Xeon E5 1650 v2 @4.5Ghz |
Motherboard | Asus Rampage II Extreme socket 1366 / Asus P9X79 Pro socket 2011 |
Cooling | Thermalright Archon +Ty 140mm|Fans : 2 front-1top-1rear-1bottom/ Gelid Phantom Twin Tower |
Memory | 16gb DDR3 1600mhz Kingstone Hyper x Quad Channel / 16gb DDR3 1600MHZ Patriot Viper 3 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire hd 7950 3gb Boost edition dual fan X / ZOTAC 1080 Ti Blower Edition |
Storage | Kingstone AV400ssd 120gb+Seagate B 2Tb+WD g 1tb+WD g 3tb+WD r 3tb+Seagate B 4tb+Lexar 2Tb NVMe |
Display(s) | AOC E2460S 24" 1080p 60hz 1ms / LG 32UK550B 32" UHD 4K HDR 10 with Freesync |
Case | Enermax Phoenix / Fractal Design Arc midi |
Audio Device(s) | SoundMaxHD+5.1 BHT1100 BLUESKY,Fiio E10 Olympus+SuperluxHD668b+KZ HBB pr2,Superlux E205. |
Power Supply | Sharkoon WPM Gold Zero 650W semi modular / Corsair RM 850 Fully Modular |
Mouse | Generic Mice / Corsair M90 |
Keyboard | Generic Keyboard / Microsoft WK600 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64 /Windows 10 Pro 64 |
Processor | i7-9700 |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO |
Memory | 32GB DDR4 |
Video Card(s) | msi 1080 |
Storage | Samsung SSD 850 pro 2TB+1tb hdd 7200rpm+ 1tb 970pro |
Software | Mageia 6 + Windows 10 |
i also paling on buying 8700K on 10th of this month but now em very confusedSame question was for me, but I just ordered the i7 8700(non k), for now it is not so clear how much performance impact it is, if any.
Processor | i7-9700 |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO |
Memory | 32GB DDR4 |
Video Card(s) | msi 1080 |
Storage | Samsung SSD 850 pro 2TB+1tb hdd 7200rpm+ 1tb 970pro |
Software | Mageia 6 + Windows 10 |
A patched 8700K system will still be faster, while the performance/price ratio drops a bit.After these security flaws should i go with Intel 8700k or AMD R 1700 how much it effect the performance or going to???
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W |
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Motherboard | MSI B550 Tomahawk |
Cooling | ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA |
Memory | 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB |
Storage | Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB |
Display(s) | AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz |
Case | SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek 7.1 onboard |
Power Supply | Seasonic Core GC 500W |
Mouse | Sharkoon SHARK Force Black |
Keyboard | Trust GXT280 |
Software | Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux |
Processor | Ryzen 9 5900X |
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Motherboard | MSI B450 Tomahawk ATX |
Cooling | Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition |
Memory | VENGEANCE LPX 2 x 16GB DDR4-3600 C18 OCed 3800 |
Video Card(s) | XFX Speedster SWFT309 AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT CORE Gaming |
Storage | 970 EVO NVMe M.2 500 GB, 870 QVO 1 TB |
Display(s) | Samsung 28” 4K monitor |
Case | Phantek Eclipse P400S (PH-EC416PS) |
Audio Device(s) | EVGA NU Audio |
Power Supply | EVGA 850 BQ |
Mouse | SteelSeries Rival 310 |
Keyboard | Logitech G G413 Silver |
Software | Windows 10 Professional 64-bit v22H2 |
The patch does not affect gaming in significant way.
See my #233 post in the other thread.Perseiii on Reddit said:I just finished running Rise of the Tomb Raider benchmarks, 1080p, very high preset, FXAA.
Unpatched:
Windows patch only:
- Mountain Peak: 131.48 FPS (min: 81.19 max: 197.02)
- Syria: 101.99 FPS (min: 62.73, max: 122.24)
- Geothermal Valley: 98.93 FPS (min:76.48, max: 117.00)
- Overall score: 111.31 FPS
Windows patch and BIOS update:
- Mountain Peak: 135.34 FPS (min: 38.21 max: 212.84)
- Syria: 102.54 FPS (min: 44.22, max: 144.03)
- Geothermal Valley: 96.36 FPS (min:41.35, max: 148.46)
- Overall score: 111.93 FPS
- Mountain Peak: 134.01 FPS (min: 59.91 max: 216.16)
- Syria: 101.68 FPS (min: 38.95, max: 143.44)
- Geothermal Valley: 97.55 FPS (min:46.18, max: 143.97)
- Overall score: 111.62 FPS
Average framerates don't seem affected.
You'll stand by this theory when AMD patches start to roll out?Anyone who gives money to products intentionally produced unsecure (for any reason) encourages them to keep doing so and ruin others who care about security. Data security means privacy. Or else we'd like living in a world with camera surveilance 24/7.
System Name | Hal9000 |
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Processor | AMD R5 1400 @ 3.8 1.325v |
Motherboard | MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon bios@v.19 |
Cooling | Cooler Master H80i V2 |
Memory | Corsair Vengance LPX 2 x 4GB ( CMK8GX4M2B3200C16 ) @ Default 3200 A-XMP2 |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte RX580 Gaming 8G @ Default |
Storage | Samsung 850 evo 256GB + Segate SATA3@500GB + Segate SATA1.5?@500GB |
Display(s) | LG 43UH650V ( UK model ) 43' - 4K@60Hz HDR10 |
Case | Corsair Carbide 03-spec |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard ALC1200 + Nahamic 2 |
Power Supply | Corsair CX600M ( CP-9020060-NA ) |
Mouse | Logitech wireless |
Keyboard | Logitech wireless |
Software | Win10 H 1709 ( 16299.192 ) |
Benchmark Scores | Today 10/01/18 @ 0920am : 3Dmark Firestrike = 11 874 |
The minimum framerate ( percieved smoothness ) has been clobbered, bloody hell!! Those averages might not have changed but those minimums; have you played the games to see if this is perceptible to the user experinece.See my #233 post in the other thread.
Processor | ryzen 5 5600x |
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Motherboard | AB350m Pro4 |
Cooling | custom loop |
Memory | TEAMGROUP T-Force TXKD416G3600HC18ADC01 16gbs XMP |
Video Card(s) | HP GTX1650 super 4gb |
Storage | MZVLB256HBHQ-000H1 PM981a (256GB)/3TB HDD |
Display(s) | Nitro XF243Y Pbmiiprx |
Case | Rosewill CULLINAN |
Audio Device(s) | onboard |
Power Supply | Corsair 750w |
Mouse | Best Buy Insignia |
Keyboard | Best Buy Insignia |
Software | Win 10 pro |
Anyone who gives money to products intentionally produced unsecure (for any reason) encourages them to keep doing so and ruin others who care about security. Data security means privacy. Or else we'd like living in a world with camera surveilance 24/7.
System Name | HTC's System |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 2600X |
Motherboard | Asrock Taichi X370 |
Cooling | NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit |
Memory | G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 480 OC 4 GB |
Storage | 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III |
Display(s) | LG 27UD58 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Elite |
Software | Ubuntu 19.04 LTS |
Wait for march release of Ryzen Pinnacle ridge.
System Name | Pioneer |
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Processor | Ryzen R9 7950X |
Motherboard | GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans... |
Memory | 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310 |
Storage | 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs |
Display(s) | 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display |
Case | Thermaltake Core X31 |
Audio Device(s) | TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED |
Power Supply | FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W |
Mouse | Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless |
Keyboard | WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps |
Software | Gentoo Linux x64 |
Or else we'd like living in a world with camera surveilance 24/7.
Processor | i7-9700 |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO |
Memory | 32GB DDR4 |
Video Card(s) | msi 1080 |
Storage | Samsung SSD 850 pro 2TB+1tb hdd 7200rpm+ 1tb 970pro |
Software | Mageia 6 + Windows 10 |
System Name | HTC's System |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 2600X |
Motherboard | Asrock Taichi X370 |
Cooling | NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit |
Memory | G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 480 OC 4 GB |
Storage | 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III |
Display(s) | LG 27UD58 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Elite |
Software | Ubuntu 19.04 LTS |
"http://www.dsogaming.com/news/intel...c-shows-performance-impact-on-gaming-servers/"
still I can't wait to recieve my i7 8700 , next week.
Processor | i7-9700 |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO |
Memory | 32GB DDR4 |
Video Card(s) | msi 1080 |
Storage | Samsung SSD 850 pro 2TB+1tb hdd 7200rpm+ 1tb 970pro |
Software | Mageia 6 + Windows 10 |
Processor | Intel Core i7 10850K@5.2GHz |
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Motherboard | AsRock Z470 Taichi |
Cooling | Corsair H115i Pro w/ Noctua NF-A14 Fans |
Memory | 32GB DDR4-3600 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super |
Storage | 500GB SX8200 Pro + 8TB with 1TB SSD Cache |
Display(s) | Acer Nitro VG280K 4K 28" |
Case | Fractal Design Define S |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard is good enough for me |
Power Supply | eVGA SuperNOVA 1000w G3 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 |
That CPU server utilization spike after the patch ...
Not possible, dude: it doesn't affect game benchmarks so the end user is not affected ...
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W |
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Motherboard | MSI B550 Tomahawk |
Cooling | ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA |
Memory | 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB |
Storage | Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB |
Display(s) | AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz |
Case | SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek 7.1 onboard |
Power Supply | Seasonic Core GC 500W |
Mouse | Sharkoon SHARK Force Black |
Keyboard | Trust GXT280 |
Software | Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux |
Until today the official facts we "know" are about this security flaw topic are:You'll stand by this theory when AMD patches start to roll out?
System Name | Dumbass |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7800X3D |
Motherboard | ASUS TUF gaming B650 |
Cooling | Artic Liquid Freezer 2 - 420mm |
Memory | G.Skill Sniper 32gb DDR5 6000 |
Video Card(s) | GreenTeam 4070 ti super 16gb |
Storage | Samsung EVO 500gb & 1Tb, 2tb HDD, 500gb WD Black |
Display(s) | 1x Nixeus NX_EDG27, 2x Dell S2440L (16:9) |
Case | Phanteks Enthoo Primo w/8 140mm SP Fans |
Audio Device(s) | onboard (realtek?) - SPKRS:Logitech Z623 200w 2.1 |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1000i |
Mouse | Steeseries Esports Wireless |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 |
Software | windows 10 H |
Benchmark Scores | https://i.imgur.com/aoz3vWY.jpg?2 |
Until today the official facts we "know" are about this security flaw topic are:
1) AMD didn't know of this flaw when Zen arch was finalised. It was discovered in early Q4-17.
2) AMD's CPUs are easily patchable (not even bios update needed) for the part of the flaw that are vulnarable without any decrease in performance until proved otherwise.
3) Intel made so just because of indifference for their product security level and when it was published they tried to make others look as bad as them.
4) Intel's CPUs aren't patchable for all of the bug cases even with os and bios updates and that's the worst of all.
5) Releasing unsecure product and trying to cover this crime by making all vendors look as bad as you is as evil as it gets imho. Any objection on that?
Let all the data come out and we will discuss again about this situation.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W |
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Motherboard | MSI B550 Tomahawk |
Cooling | ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA |
Memory | 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB |
Storage | Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB |
Display(s) | AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz |
Case | SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek 7.1 onboard |
Power Supply | Seasonic Core GC 500W |
Mouse | Sharkoon SHARK Force Black |
Keyboard | Trust GXT280 |
Software | Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux |
Nothing to object there. I just hope we as the customers who feed the companies stop being selfish and act responsibly to help one another and the whole pc community get better in vfm and security products instead of caring just for +1% FPS for +30% higher price that makes companies more greedy than they are by nature. Intel's practice in this security topic is derived from their confidense that most of their customers won't abandon them even when they betrayed their trust as bad as it gets. Sad to report that they seem to be correct by the reactions of those till now.Intel has always been Evil and that is nothing new, but wallets still do all the voting.
They were informed by Project Zero on June 1. So it was after they launched Zen, but before many of Zen CPUs came out (including EPYC).Until today the official facts we "know" are about this security flaw topic are:
1) AMD didn't know of this flaw when Zen arch was finalised. It was discovered in early Q4-17.
Of course. We're waiting for this proof.2) AMD's CPUs are easily patchable (not even bios update needed) for the part of the flaw that are vulnarable without any decrease in performance until proved otherwise.
Their first comment on this situation might not have been great (albeit true!), but the following actions were very honest and positive - including a great whitepaper and generally a lot of public information.3) Intel made so just because of indifference for their product security level and when it was published they tried to make others look as bad as them.
I'm pretty sure we'll see patches. There already are some successful workarounds. What's your source?4) Intel's CPUs aren't patchable for all of the bug cases even with os and bios updates and that's the worst of all.
They could always say: "most of CPUs with this flaw are very old, so we are unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue"5) Releasing unsecure product and trying to cover this crime by making all vendors look as bad as you is as evil as it gets imho. Any objection on that?
But before that happens, we're discussing the matter with the info we have. However, you're assuming the worst possible intentions - almost criminal-level. I'm assuming they are really working on a solution. And I like sum of feedback we've been getting. ARM is even better in this aspect. AMD does...well - nothing. They said that this issue doesn't exist on their CPUs (when exploits were already shown to work).Let all the data come out and we will discuss again about this situation.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W |
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Motherboard | MSI B550 Tomahawk |
Cooling | ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA |
Memory | 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB |
Storage | Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB |
Display(s) | AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz |
Case | SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek 7.1 onboard |
Power Supply | Seasonic Core GC 500W |
Mouse | Sharkoon SHARK Force Black |
Keyboard | Trust GXT280 |
Software | Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux |
They were informed by Project Zero on June 1. So it was after they launched Zen, but before many of Zen CPUs came out (including EPYC).
Of course. We're waiting for this proof.
But in the previous comment you were explicitly talking about releasing a CPU with known security flaw. You didn't mention performance, so why is it becoming important now?
Their first comment on this situation might not have been great (albeit true!), but the following actions were very honest and positive - including a great whitepaper and generally a lot of public information.
Check this out:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...el-apple-microsoft-others-are-doing-about-it/
I'm pretty sure we'll see patches. There already are some successful workarounds. What's your source?
They could always say: "most of CPUs with this flaw are very old, so we are unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue"
But before that happens, we're discussing the matter with the info we have. However, you're assuming the worst possible intentions - almost criminal-level. I'm assuming they are really working on a solution. And I like sum of feedback we've been getting. ARM is even better in this aspect. AMD does...well - nothing. They said that this issue doesn't exist on their CPUs (when exploits were already shown to work).
Moreover, both Intel and ARM have already covered the issue beautifully - including information and publications - on their main websites.
Intel put it on main US site (considered "global" or "main") - right below the Olympics bullsh*t:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/homepage.html
ARM has it in news:
https://www.arm.com/news
So what about AMD? Well... it's not on the home page and not in News. It's in Investors Relations. And it's really poor. I can't even be called "covering issue" - more like "mentioning it"...
http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-irhome
And BTW: I've just noticed what else is on their home page. AMD Fan Store! It says it all, doesn't it?