Alot of videos have subtle popping sound.

[kDude]

Ok heared it, it just doesn't annoy me as much as it annoys you probably.

Well atleast you can hear it.Yea,it annoys me a little more then it should.My ears seem to pinpoint noises like that and I tend to over focus on them when they come up.

 

[Ferather]

Interesting subject, I can hear high pitch whine from electricals at times. My G500s mouse used to put out a serious whining, that Logitech said they don't hear (I emailed them).
After a few emails, they eventually responded with that at times the whine can be heard with some units, if either you are young or have sensitive hearing.

I opened the mouse, and dampened the whining by surrounding the offending component with blue-tak. I can also hear some monitors wine when the screen is all white.
To some degree I can sort of hear, but not properly, a dog whistle, which to me makes noise and does something weird, almost like a vibration.

Now this is the funny part, I cant hear the popping you mention, but I am not 100% sure if there is some noise filtering with the audio processing (drivers).

 

[kDude]

Interesting subject, I can hear high pitch whine from electricals at times. My G500s mouse used to put out a serious whining, that Logitech said they don't hear (I emailed them).
After a few emails, they eventually responded with that at times the whine can be heard with some units, if either you are young or have sensitive hearing.

I opened the mouse, and dampened the whining by surrounding the offending component with blue-tak. I can also hear some monitors wine when the screen is all white.
To some degree I can sort of hear, but not properly, a dog whistle, which to me makes noise and does something weird, almost like a vibration.

Now this is the funny part, I cant hear the popping you mention, but I am not 100% sure if there is some noise filtering with the audio processing (drivers).

Whats odd in my case is this all started around 6 months ago.I'm using the same headset,same computer,same driver,same everything.I'd remember if I was noticing stuff like this before 6 months ago.
I still have no idea if its something with my ears that's amplifying these subtle noises all of a sudden (if thats even possible) or if it's just one of those things that you can't un-notice when you start to notice.

>Now this is the funny part, I cant hear the popping you mention, but I am not 100% sure if there is some noise filtering with the audio processing (drivers).
Yea and some people thankfully reported they can hear it on this thread or else I'd start thinking it was all in my head or some other issue with my pc.

 

[Veseleil]

Out of curiosity.Can you hear all the subtle clicks/pops/mouth smacking in this video?

Just someone I watch
Few examples 1:53,1:54 and 8:43.The video is filled with these subtle "noises".I don't know what you would call them.(mouth smacking?/some other issue with the audio?)

I can hear it. His mic recording is terrible btw. All of it.

 

[kDude]

I can hear it. His mic recording is terrible btw. All of it.

Good to know you can here ALL of the popping/crackling/mouthsmacking besides the one I mentioned.
That's basically what I was hearing in the ubisoft expo on twitch and alot of streamers in general.Makes me want to crawl up the damn wall.
I wonder if its partly because of that dpc latency issue thats been going with Nvidia for the past 5-6 months.Timing wise it adds up to when I started to notice this stuff more.

 

[Ferather]

I doubt its DPC latency at the same point each time, its recorded, and exists in the track. This one I do hear the mouth smacks:

Also the S's are too tall, and noisy to me, I also get the same with repeated cymbals at low quality (just sounds like noise).

 

[erocker]

The 1st video I do hear the popping in the higher frequencies at the timestamps. 2nd video, no. 3rd video.. just part of that production and recording. I'd notch it up to the sound engineer wanting it there or not caring it's there.

 

[Veseleil]

And not just the higher frequencies. Too many low dips as well. It's like he's hitting the microphone with his lips or whatever.

 

[Ferather]

Fixing Noises in Mixes and Masters, Part II - Sonarworks Blog

 

[P4-630]

If it's that annoying to you, just stop watching the videos that have it or stop focusing on it.

 

[kDude]

If it's that annoying to you, just stop watching the videos that have it.

Oh I do.Thing is it's not just that youtuber in particular that has the issue but alot of them.(Varying in severity from barely to pretty obvious)

 

[kDude]

Fixing Noises in Mixes and Masters, Part II - Sonarworks Blog

I'm assuming that blog is just for content creators for peventing all these sound aberations right?Not something that will help me who's just a listener of the content.
Edit:Yea,ok.It's tips on how to fix/prevent certain sounds from happening on content you make.(not watch)

 

[Ferather]

Yes that was part of my previous post on how it cant be DPC latency, and instead in the audio its self, which in audio processing can-is removed (even by soundcard processing).
To remove unwanted sound, you will need audio processing software as much as the master engineer does to remove them. Ideally s/he does it before it gets to you.

 

[Ferather]

Very interesting. In my head there are too many variables to say an exact reason, especially if its in the same location, sometimes changed, sometimes not at all.

 

[kDude]

especially if its in the same location, sometimes changed, sometimes not at all

That's what's driving me nuts.I heard on 2 different headsets in the same spot.I know it's there.What I don't get is why does it sometimes change from a click to a pop and sometimes I don't hear it at all.
Oddly enough I've only had this erratic pop/click/nothing houdini issue with this specific streamer.
Most other streamers if I hear a pop/click and I clip it it's there and consistent.

Twitch

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clips.twitch.tv

Twitch

Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.

clips.twitch.tv

Here are 2 other example of a consistent clicking noises (same streamer).Can you hear it?In this case It's always there unchanged regardless how many time I replay it.

 

[eidairaman1]

Get latency monitor

 

[kDude]

Get latency monitor

I don't have an amd motherboard/gpu.
I tried latencymon and its fine.it's all green.It's also in that specific timed spot every time.Doubt is latency related.

 

[eidairaman1]

I don't have an amd motherboard/gpu.
I tried latencymon and its fine.it's all green.It's also in that specific timed spot every time.Doubt is latency related.

Media then

Latency mon has nothing to do with amd

 

[Mister300]

Have to know what to listen for this is what separatees high end audio fanatics from regular listeners. For example when you listen to a reed/brass instrument like a sax do you hear the felt pads sticking or the fingernails hitting the keys (same for piano ) ? When you listen to a bass drum do you hear the 2-4 KHz snap and the low freq extension as two separate entities?

 

[kDude]

Media then

Latency mon has nothing to do with amd

The only latency monitor I know of is latencymon which is used to test real time audio.Is there another program which does that?

Have to know what to listen for this is what separatees high end audio fanatics from regular listeners. For example when you listen to a reed/brass instrument like a sax do you hear the felt pads sticking or the fingernails hitting the keys (same for piano )

Ok dude im not that much of a fanatic.
Jokes aside I'm mainly talking about pops/clicks that are not that subtle where having a super ear is not a requirement like in these 2 cases for example.It's kinda hard trying to figure where its coming from when at the same time its so common that you think its on you but then you hear it on different devices and then you start to wonder if there was some sort of update that got pushed in causing the issues and no one notice or chooses to ignore it.

Twitch

Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.

clips.twitch.tv

small click noise when he says "aaa"

Twitch

Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.

clips.twitch.tv

this one is super obvious.

 

[Ferather]

Latencymon shows more that just audio latency, it shows all drivers and processes too, it can be used for more than just audio latency.
There is another app which can test latency, used by broadcasters, I will try to get the name.

RTL Utility for measuring audio latency gets an official release - gearnews.com
Oblique Audio - RTL Utility (oblique-audio.com)

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It seems to work with only PCM, I tried with DTS output but I don't think the app is designed to support it.



It detects 6 channels on SPDIF correctly though.

 

[kDude]

Latencymon shows more that just audio latency, it shows all drivers and processes too, it can be used for more than just audio latency.
There is another app which can test latency, used by broadcasters, I will try to get the name.

RTL Utility for measuring audio latency gets an official release - gearnews.com
Oblique Audio - RTL Utility (oblique-audio.com)

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It seems to work with only PCM, I tried with DTS output but I don't think the app is designed to support it.

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It detects 6 channels on SPDIF correctly though.

That program seems aimed at creators who stream/record/play music.I am none of those.I just have headphones that I plug into my pc.No dacs or anything extra.

Bdw,Did you check the 2 clips I posted?Do you hear what I hear?

 

[Ferather]

I think you might also need to route the output to input, but I guessed since it has the option for no recording, it would give some measurements. Well anyway that's another latency monitor.
The first video I think I heard a pop once, but then never again, I played it about 40 times, the second one I only hear clipping when he talks louder than normal (over amped).

I am using 4ohm speakers, not headphones.

 

[kDude]

I am using 4ohm speakers, not headphones.

That could be it.Just to test again I got my phone instead of using my pc>found this thread and listened to those 2 clips using 3 different headsets (with my phone) and I can definitely hear it on the 1st clip too consistently and the 2nd has obvious clipping when he shouts "Aaah"

Think il just drop this issue honestly.like,I can hear these pops/clicks on multiple devices/headsets and some of the folks have heard some of them too.(maybe its an oversensitive ear?I dont know)I'm probably overly fixating because somehow I've become hyper aware of them all of a sudden (around the time I made this thread) and can't seem to get out of this realization that holy shit alot of people have shit audio and the majority are just fine with it.Seems my only real solution is to try and make myself get used to it when it happens and not get irritated.

 

[Ferather]

It can indeed be down to how the hardware works, and you also have to consider the way headphones work (compared to say an AVR). Lots of variables, we also include analogue and digital.
Analogue (DAC's and analogue amps) handle clipping and distortion differently than say digital with Class D and PWM, even swapping Class D to A/B.

Your PC and phone, and headphones all have one thing in common, analogue and power based circuits, and specs.

Also, to make clipping impossible, all recording and processing should be done in 32bit float, and then attenuated to meet the end bits, for example 24 bit.
If you go past ~144 dB with say 24 bit, it will clip, and essentially lose the audio (can not represent the amplitude).


I am not 100% sure why we need an amp if a 24 bit file is outputting at a maximum of around 144 dB.



Sample rate /2 = frequency range.