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AMD Athlon 3000G with Vega 3 Graphics

It is a different product in the strictest sense of the word. But if the price is the same (and it is for a lot of people right now), it really isn't.
Well, it is. Because CPU is more than price and performance. So particular models will find buyers even if they're far from the "optimal" price/performance curve.
The most obvious factors in CPUs are: ECC support and security features (Intel vPro, AMD PRO).
TDP also has a big role here, since being able to cool a CPU using passive or extremely silent solution raises its value.
The list is longer.
That "35W vs 65W" doesn't fly either, as this test shows (TDP does not equal power consumption!).
If someone told you TDP means power consumption or heat dissipation, I'm afraid he lied (or didn't know).
TDP shows what kind of cooling will be sufficient for the chip (at base clocks).
More below.
The actual system difference at the wall (I assum that is how TPU tests it) is:
- 9W at idle in favor of the 3000G
- 27W at single thread
- 17W for multi thread
- 24W for power virus
- 23W for gaming
I'm not sure what you're comparing to. I assume it's a 65W Pentium.

TDP looks like a quantitative value, but it's actually categorical. As in: distinct, textual, non-numerical.
Numbers are easy to remember and there's an obvious order, so you know how to compare them. You can expect that a 90W cooler will be OK for a 65W CPU (because 90 > 65).
It would be equally OK if TDP was "small", "normal" or "high" as long as the same values appeared on coolers and there was a well defined order.

I don't know why these values are 35W and 65W, but it became a standard.
So if a CPU maxes out at 61W, why not give that as TDP? Same for coolers?
Because we would have a mess. Because people would constantly ask questions like: "my Pentium has TDP of 63W and I want to use it with a 59W cooler. Will it explode?"
So instead we called all of it 65W. And CPU makers try not to go too far over 65W. And cooler makers always include a safety margin. It's just a convention. It's all relative. And it works!
And when a CPU uses 32W, Intel calls it 35W. Why? Because that's the category for thin/mini systems (some passively cooled). Again - 35W is a made up value.
 
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Africa, India, SE Asia, South America...
People think too much about their home countries when looking at hardware sometimes...

True. Never in my life have I seen anything over 10% discount on new, boxed hardware. And even that 10% is rather hard to come by.

And down here, there is also the exchange rate. Almost everyone has an eye on it, and if the AR$ goes down a bit, you get a chain reaction of prices going upwards. But prices going down? That never happens.

EDIT: I don't know why I wrote "unboxed"....
 
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Which is great for those of us with a Micro Center near us, but even within the US that simply isn't the case.

I live about 6700km / 4163 miles away from the nearest MicroCenter... you don't see me complain about it do you?

Keep an eye out on Amazon and other deals. Seen the 2200G go sub 60EUR here in euroland on occasions, while it was on sale.


On before "you can get x CPU at microcenter for..."

Nevermind, too late.

It's 2019 mah man. Buying a 2C/4T processor while you can get a 4C/4T one with double the GPU performance for about 10-20USD more, does it really make sense when you are already spending 400-500USD on said computer? Its like a 4-5% price hike considering the whole PC...
 
This a hard launch or a paper launch? Not seeing it on Newegg or Amazon right now.
 
God, this CPU has pre-2000 year like performance. No way someone can justify buying this garbage instead of paying 20$ more and get a proper 4 core CPU.
Can this even play a 4K video stream?
 
God, this CPU has pre-2000 year like performance. No way someone can justify buying this garbage instead of paying 20$ more and get a proper 4 core CPU.
Can this even play a 4K video stream?
I'm pretty sure that this beats a 800MHz Athlon Classic from 1999..

I had a G4560 2½ years ago and it was a great example that a budget CPU can run games.
 
God, this CPU has pre-2000 year like performance. No way someone can justify buying this garbage instead of paying 20$ more and get a proper 4 core CPU.
Can this even play a 4K video stream?

Why would someone invest in a 4K display while only paying up to $50 for a CPU? That doesn't make sense. Heck, at this price range, a 1080p display is probably the best that potential user can or cares to buy.

IMO, this CPU is targeted at people or business with very low performance expectations. Text documents, spreadsheets and light web browsing and e-mail. Office use, pretty much.

Performance-wise, it should be enough for the kind of work that I do at a small/medium sized accounting firm, which is all of the above plus the accounting and tax/report software.
 
I'd really like to know what the market is for these, it cant be for the pre-entry level desktop market can it?
My dad is the perfect target audience for this.
He has an Athlon 2 X4 on a DDR2 platform, and this little thing would run circles around it. I know for a fact how sluggish things get with large PDFs, or 1080p YT videos, or just general system performance. The entire platform is also showing its age in terms of driver compatibility, random isssues with an old MB, Sata 2, no USB3, etc...
He also only plays hidden object games, so gpu performance is not that important to him.
He could sell his current setup with an HD7770 and cover over 50% of the new pc cost. Which would be this cpu, an a320 mobo (or the cheapest possible b450) and 2*4GB ddr4
 
God, this CPU has pre-2000 year like performance. No way someone can justify buying this garbage instead of paying 20$ more and get a proper 4 core CPU.
Because if cheaper 2 cores are enough, why get 4 cores? Isn't this a sufficient argument?
And as mentioned earlier: it's a 35W CPU. It creates possibilities.
AFAIK this is the only retail 35W CPU for AM4. All retail Ryzen 3 are 65W.
Clocked-down Ryzen 3 GE are OEM-only (unlike Intel's -T).
Why would someone invest in a 4K display while only paying up to $50 for a CPU? That doesn't make sense. Heck, at this price range, a 1080p display is probably the best that potential user can or cares to buy.
You do understand that gaming is not only way humans use computers? :)
IMO, this CPU is targeted at people or business with very low performance expectations. Text documents, spreadsheets and light web browsing and e-mail. Office use, pretty much.
It's definitely not fast enough for general office PCs.
 
I think this kind of reviews need a processor from the other company that it is selling at the same price. Is this a Celeron 2 generations old? Put that 2 generations old Celeron there to have a correct comparison. I see people commenting about Athlon's performance compared to the much more expensive Pentium, forgetting that this is a much more expensive Pentium.

Also, about Overclocking. Many of you have it the other way around. Overclocking was a thing in the past because it could make a slow system look better than it was. It could make it much more usable. Heavy tasks, like transcoding one movie or a video, finishing an hour earlier, games running at 30fps instead of 25fps etc. Overclocking is not about cutting 2 seconds time or moving from 120fps to 130fps. The Athlon IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF PROCESSOR that you will buy in the morning and overclock it at noon, from the first boot. It's NOT about benchmark scores.
 
Seeing specs all over the place on this. Someone over at cpu-world indicated it is Zen+: "Manufacturing process is the GloFo 12nm and not 14nm, the APU belongs to the Picasso family. " So not sure what info is right on this thing.
 
Seeing specs all over the place on this. Someone over at cpu-world indicated it is Zen+: "Manufacturing process is the GloFo 12nm and not 14nm, the APU belongs to the Picasso family. " So not sure what info is right on this thing.
I know this is shocking, but you can actually check AMD's website, instead of forum comments...

14nm

Zen+ Athlon is described as 12nm:

AMD's website is a mess and they give you hardly any data about CPUs, but since process node is among the ~10 things mentioned, they unlikely made a mistake...
 
Because if cheaper 2 cores are enough, why get 4 cores? Isn't this a sufficient argument?
Nah, never. 2 Cores are not enough anymore, not even for a crappy office PC. Multitasking is just impossible on those machines. Good luck having a browser session with 20 windows open, 1 Word, 2 Excel instances, Outlook open, and maybe a music player in the background... Trust me, I speak from experience actually...
 
Nah, never. 2 Cores are not enough anymore, not even for a crappy office PC. Multitasking is just impossible on those machines. Good luck having a browser session with 20 windows open, 1 Word, 2 Excel instances, Outlook open, and maybe a music player in the background... Trust me, I speak from experience actually...
Nah. I have several clients still running Quickbooks POS on Core2Duo era 2-core boxes with 32-bit Windows 7 on 2 GB of RAM. A 2C/4T APU would be more than sufficient for them. Speaking from experience myself. :cool:
 
Nah. I have several clients still running Quickbooks POS on Core2Duo era 2-core boxes with 32-bit Windows 7 on 2 GB of RAM. A 2C/4T APU would be more than sufficient for them. Speaking from experience myself. :cool:
The AMD 3000G is literally faster than a decent chunk of laptop processors (some of which companies actually issue employees) yet according to some people on here "uhhh it's too slow to do office work" (lol).

That's the problem with this forum, enthuasist think their needs or wants equals what most people really need.
 
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