AMD Big Navi Performance Claims Compared to TPU's Own Benchmark Numbers of Comparable GPUs

[nguyen]

I have 1 laptop and 2 PCs with my Steam account. Which one does Steam report as mine? Steam is not a reliable source for GPU numbers. One of the best examples of a place to look would be a German retailer to see historical data on sales. You can find it for CPUs so the same should be true for GPUs.

Steam choose the user base for the survey at random at the begining of each month. Steam will ask if you would like to participate in the survey.
Steam only asked for my participation like once a year.

Does it matter if which machine was registered ? each account only get 1 participation after all, less chance for duplicates.
Amazon or Mindfactory vs Steam ? How about you just go and ask your local store . Steam has over 100 million active accounts globally, its statistic should be closest to the truth out there.

Germany has about equal GPU allocations between Nvidia/AMD, so Mindfactory data is a good representation but only for first world country. Here in third world country, Nvidia outsold AMD by 9:1 because AMD distribution is very poor.

So what would you prefer ? Regional data or global ?

 

[EarthDog]

If you went by this, people's disbelief in demand looks even more asinine, lol.

 

[nguyen]

I would say demand for 3080 is about the same for 1080 Ti during the mining era in 2018, everyone just want a piece of that sweet cake .

 

[kapone32]

Steam choose the user base for the survey at random at the begining of each month. Steam will ask if you would like to participate in the survey.
Steam only asked for my participation like once a year.

Does it matter if which machine was registered ? each account only get 1 participation after all, less chance for duplicates.
Amazon or Mindfactory vs Steam ? How about you just go and ask your local store . Steam has over 100 million active accounts globally, its statistic should be closest to the truth out there.

Germany has about equal GPU allocations between Nvidia/AMD, so Mindfactory data is a good representation but only for first world country. Here in third world country, Nvidia outsold AMD by 9:1 because AMD distribution is very poor.

So what would you prefer ? Regional data or global ?

I can appreciate what you are saying and we could find cases to support both arguments depending on parameters but you also have to look at User base per region. I have no doubt that Nvidia outsells AMD in terms of GPUs. I just believe that just based on the amount of redditt posts for Navi that they have done quite well and have a higher user base than you suggest.

 

[INSTG8R]

so sandbagging....

 

[nguyen]

I can appreciate what you are saying and we could find cases to support both arguments depending on parameters but you also have to look at User base per region. I have no doubt that Nvidia outsells AMD in terms of GPUs. I just believe that just based on the amount of redditt posts for Navi that they have done quite well and have a higher user base than you suggest.

You mean the amount of Navi black screen reports on reddit .

Steam could be biased against non gaming specific GPU like Vega or Radeon VII, but Navi is not one of those.

Steam do not use aggregated data, so it doesn't care how many Navi are sold in total, just how many users have Navi card in their system at the begining of the month divided by the total number of users participated in the survey. Therefore each month's data is not complete by itself, it should be compared to previous months in order to reveal the trend in hardware ownership.

Anyways 1% in Steam users means 1 million people bought the 5700XT, that already is a significant number of sale. Reaching 1% in Steam should equate to going platinum (1 million sale)

 

[kapone32]

You mean the amount of Navi black screen reports on reddit .

Steam could be biased against non gaming specific GPU like Vega or Radeon VII, but Navi is not one of those.

Steam do not use aggregated data, so it doesn't care how many Navi are sold in total, just how many users have Navi card in their system at the begining of the month divided by the total number of users participated in the survey. Therefore each month's data is not complete by itself, it should be compared to previous months in order to reveal the trend in hardware ownership.

Anyways 1% in Steam users means 1 million people bought the 5700XT, that already is a significant number of sale. Reaching 1% in Steam should equate to going platinum (1 million sale)

Yes the number of people that helped users that had issues from being noobs or not used to AMD GPUs. As far as I know Vega is a Gaming GPU. It doesn't matter though you, are resigned (based on your experiences I hope) to prefer Nvidia. It doesn't matter to me though I love my 5700 that gives me 144+ FPs full time with Division 2. I am also confident that anyone who bought a Navi card (and found a way around those purported issues) would have that small smile we all get when we experience killer performance for a good price ($429.99 CAD). It doesn't matter what either of us think though as AMD's stock price alone means they have money to respond to anything Nvidia does in the short term. The sales will tell but AMD needs a budget card that is as fast as the Vega 64 for $200 US.

 

[ratirt]

Yes the number of people that helped users that had issues from being noobs or not used to AMD GPUs. As far as I know Vega is a Gaming GPU. It doesn't matter though you, are resigned (based on your experiences I hope) to prefer Nvidia. It doesn't matter to me though I love my 5700 that gives me 144+ FPs full time with Division 2. I am also confident that anyone who bought a Navi card (and found a way around those purported issues) would have that small smile we all get when we experience killer performance for a good price ($429.99 CAD). It doesn't matter what either of us think though as AMD's stock price alone means they have money to respond to anything Nvidia does in the short term. The sales will tell but AMD needs a budget card that is as fast as the Vega 64 for $200 US.

I never had an issue with my 5600 XT. Considering I bought it to replace my Vega 64 ( died due to PSU or so i think PSU changed as well so there), the 5600xt was the one I have chosen so that I could wait for the new stuff coming up in the market. Couldn't be more happier with the 5600XT. Absolutely no issues and the performance is great. Just like V64 but way less power consumption.
The entire Navi problem is blown out of proportion, unless you are a total rookie in the PC tech which means you will have even a mouse pad problems.

Anyways 1% in Steam users means 1 million people bought the 5700XT, that already is a significant number of sale.

I think it's more than 1% as of today.

 

[kapone32]

I never had an issue with my 5600 XT. Considering I bought it to replace my Vega 64 ( died due to PSU or so i think PSU changed as well so there), the 5600xt was the one I have chosen so that I could wait for the new stuff coming up in the market. Couldn't be more happier with the 5600XT. Absolutely no issues and the performance is great. Just like V64 but way less power consumption.
The entire Navi problem is blown out of proportion, unless you are a total rookie in the PC tech which means you will have even a mouse pad problems.

I actually stumbled onto the 5700 (Customer build fell through) put I in my HTPC and wow colour me impressed. I love Squadrons up to 200 FPS no stuttering or tearing @ 1440P. The power draw is crazy I have the 5700 paired with a 600 W PSU with an OC 3600 & 32GB of DDR4.

 

[ratirt]

I actually stumbled onto the 5700 (Customer build fell through) put I in my HTPC and wow colour me impressed. I love Squadrons up to 200 FPS no stuttering or tearing @ 1440P. The power draw is crazy I have the 5700 paired with a 600 W PSU with an OC 3600 & 32GB of DDR4.

I bought the 750Watt PSU seasonic cause I'm definitely changing the card for a stronger one to get proper 4k gaming with my monitor. Wonder what the RDNA2 will bring. I been thinking about the 5700 though but I just wanted to get a card that would allow me to play some and i didn't want to spend a lot considering I had spent so damn much on two ThreadRippers. Anyway, no matter how you call it or see it. The 5000 series AMD GPUs are solid in performance and price. If you ask me.

 

[kapone32]

I bought the 750Watt PSU seasonic cause I'm definitely changing the card for a stronger one to get proper 4k gaming with my monitor. I been thinking about the 5700 though but I just wanted to get a card that would allow me to play some and not spend much considering I'd spent so damn much on two ThreadRippers. Anyway, no matter how you call it or see it. The 5000 series AMD GPUs are solid in performance and price. If you ask me.

Agreed totally on TR4 I was prepared to sell my X399 MB & CPU and get a TRX40 setup but the cost of the 3960x brought a tear to my eye. So I built myself a HTPC with an inexpensive X570. The 5700 is great but not a great 4K card. I am definitely interested to see if just adding the 5000 series CPUs improves performance. That single CCX is no joke. Getting back to the thread I expect the Big Navi to be in and around the performance gap that existed between Polaris and Vega so that should be the card you look for to get that 4K goodness you want.

 

[ratirt]

Agreed totally on TR4 I was prepared to sell my X399 MB & CPU and get a TRX40 setup but the cost of the 3960x brought a tear to my eye. So I built myself a HTPC with an inexpensive X570. The 5700 is great but not a great 4K card. I am definitely interested to see if just adding the 5000 series CPUs improves performance. That single CCX is no joke. Getting back to the thread I expect the Big Navi to be in and around the performance gap that existed between Polaris and Vega so that should be the card you look for to get that 4K goodness you want.

Off topic. I got two 3970x and it was quite a change. These are so damn fast in basically anything I throw at them. They crunch data freakishly fast. That's what I really needed. Went a bit overboard with the budget but not by much and it was worth it.
About the RDNA2 and the new NAVI. I really have some expectations and I hope these cards will end up around 3080 performance at least. If it turns out, these are even faster that's even better.
Waiting patiently to see if the RDNA2 is a game changer or not really. The benchmarks (showed by AMD) bring some optimism but it's better to wait for the final product and reviews. Besides, we don't know what card AMD teased anyway. Hopefully the RX 6000 series keynote will bring more information and shed some light on the matter.

 

[evernessince]

AMD is always chasing the latest features but sometimes they seem to lose focus.

Both companies at some point were "chasing the latest features", this is nothing new. Recent examples that come to mind are Adaptive sync, anti-lag, and CAS. Nvidia came out with G-Sync, AMD released FreeSync. AMD released anti-lag and CAS, Nvidia released ULLM and FreeStyle (which is litterally a copy of CAS)

This had been going on for decades in this industry and it's not something you can say only one party partakes in.

 

[Zach_01]

The difference is that nVidia most times trying to pass her own proprietary standards to shut everyone else out.

 

[vctr]

Maybe 6700xt ?

6700XT is probably close to 40/50CUs, and I doubt they have shown 6700XT cause that would mean that the 6900XT(if it's 80CUs) would be almost double the performance of the 3080, and I don't think in 1 gen they can go from getting close to 2070S to beating 3080 by 2x.

 

[Zach_01]

We can drop the namings cause not a single person knows how many GPUs are to be, what would they call them (other than 6000series), and what the price will be. No leaks about.
We can only asume that its going to be more than one, probably 2 or 3.

Also one can roughly estimate the performance of the 80CU one based on leaks about the full die size, the improvements (density and perf/watt) of the 7nm enhanced node, the clocks and so on...

 

[EarthDog]

The difference is that nVidia most times trying to pass her own proprietary standards to shut everyone else out.

Was the last time that happened with Physx a decade and change ago? It isn't RTRT...

 

[medi01]

Steam could be biased against non gaming specific GPU like Vega or Radeon VII, but Navi is not one of those.

Steam is positively biased towards internet cafes, where AMD has close to zero presence.

But whatever makes you feel better.

 

[mtcn77]

Also one can roughly estimate the performance of the 80CU one based on leaks about the full die size,

Hi, I wanted to drop by because AMD's very own 'Timothy Lottes' - who is a great engineer by the way - has said that gpus stopped scaling due to scheduling constraints.

 

[nguyen]

Steam is positively biased towards internet cafes, where AMD has close to zero presence.

But whatever makes you feel better.

The internet cafe thing was fixed since May 2018.

Steam Hardware Survey Fix - Overcounting of Asia Cybercafes :: Steam Discussions

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Now steam is a complete neutral party, they have nothing to gain supporting either AMD or Nvidia.
You just listen to every nonsense that the Scott "jebaited" dude are feeding aren't you.

 

[medi01]

Now steam is a complete neutral party, they have nothing to gain supporting either AMD or Nvidia.

They have zero interest spending money on fixing shit either, they are not "survey company".

You just listen to every nonsense that the Scott "jebaited" dude are feeding aren't you.

No, I listen to random anons on the internet, who just happen to know thing by coincidence.

Steam wildly contrasts actual retailer sales (e.g. mindfactory) and most market share reports.

 

[nguyen]

They have zero interest spending money on fixing shit either, they are not "survey company".
No, I listen to random anons on the internet, who just happen to know thing by coincidence.
Steam wildly contrasts actual retailer sales (e.g. mindfactory) and most market share reports.

Sure you can post Mindfactory sale too, let see if it support any of your point . FYI it doesn't.
Or better yet, AMD's own Q1 and Q2 earning where they barely made any money in GPU sales ?
Q1 2020
Q2 2020
Or Jon Peddie research ?

Anyways provide whatever source you want, as long as they are not from the "Jebaited" dude then they are good info.

 

[medi01]

Next gen Xbox (naming is so freaking confusing) with RDNA2 and mm, I think still Zen 2 @ 3.2Ghz consumes 160-165W in Dirt 5 (that's a 56CU thingy at well under 2Ghz)

Anyways provide whatever source you want, as long as they are not from the "Jebaited" dude then they are good info.

Jebaited dude claimed exactly zero figures, just mentioned that Steam figures are skewed.

 

[nguyen]

Jebaited dude claimed exactly zero figures, just mentioned that Steam figures are skewed.

It's called confict of interest, whatever he said are meant to improve AMD image.
He knew Steam already fixed the counting algorithm and he used old data trying to discredit Steam Survey.
What else is new ? water is wet ?

 

[Bronan]

LOL if AMD would launch a much faster card than what we assume was the top dog card.
I am sure the second hand market gets flooded with very young and cheap nvidia cards
I actually see constant improvements with the current 5700XT with the latest 20.9.2 albeit that it sometimes crashes
When i turned off v-sync and compared to my mates 2080TI system we where both stunned.
Running several games with insane high fps baffled me, my friend with his 2080TI was sittings next to me with his machine and i got between 60 up to 400 fps while his machine ran between 80 and 240 fps with the same settings
Even besides those numbers we noticed that the game looked much better on my machine at ultra, we really could not believe what we saw with our own eyes
He actually demanded to show me the inside of my machine, and checked all settings several times
The average fps when playing Horizon Zero Dawn is 257,6 FPS however it shows some tearing when it goes beyond 300 fps

Running the silly synthetic benchmarks shows ofcourse much lower numbers than the nvidia counterparts.

Sure you can post Mindfactory sale too, let see if it support any of your point . FYI it doesn't.
Or better yet, AMD's own Q1 and Q2 earning where they barely made any money in GPU sales ?
Q1 2020
Q2 2020
Or Jon Peddie research ?

Anyways provide whatever source you want, as long as they are not from the "Jebaited" dude then they are good info.

Even though i agree that the net profit is not so big they are slowly gaining more ground in every aspect of the market
I also saw so many actually want to people jump on the latest nvidia release without even thinking about what AMD is going to offer.
Many of my friends have already ordered and payed in advance for their new nvidia toy without ever knowing when they will get it.
I actually decided to wait and see what happens this far we asume that what AMD has showed or has been leaked that it will be the top card.
However thats pure speculation
Especially now AMD already showed that they are back into the race and even surpassed Intel with their latest 5950X as a big surprise getting a boost clock of 4.9 Ghz at the end of the show.
That shows what have been leaked not allways is that you are sure as hell not should accept as being the reality, and that a pleasant surprise as this is possible at each moment.
I actually am sure to set aside some money to buy me into the AMD products as soon as there are very good motherboards with more pci-e lanes than the previous not so GOOD gaming motherboards.
Yes i know i am darn spoiled and demanding but hey i want to spend a small fortune only on something really good, and not on a pci-e sharing crap product every time i want to buy a new machine.