AMD EPYC "Turin" with 192 Cores and 384 Threads Delivers Almost 40% Higher Performance Than Intel Xeon 6

[kondamin]

Architecture, design, per clock performance, fabric speed, cache....etc

it's Redwood Cove cores have full AVX 512 which is the thing that made their mobile chips incarnation only slightly weaker than zen 5.
Even cache wise it doesn't do under for amds solution
So it really has to be the fabric, which is weird considering how expensive emib is for intel and how cheap hypertransport is for amd

 

[DavidC1]

There's a 10% performance hit because it's underperforming heavily in NAMD. Some platform immaturity for Granite Rapids as there are few others that show really bad performance for GNR.

Also 1P to 2P scaling sucks for Intel. 1P performance difference is only about 20% between Intel and AMD.

 

[Solaris17]

Well... ...not exactly. ...Some of us have those builds as our personal home PC. Yes, you can actually get all the parts. It does require some creativity, engineering, and patience to make it quiet and suitable for your home.

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Same I literally have a sapphire rapids chip in my main machine. Another in a clam shell and 2 emeral rapids chips in the room next to me.

you just have to know what your looking for.

this is super awesome from AMD the server space needs this kind of competition!

 

[Vya Domus]

Both Intel and AMD have 128 Performance core versions with similar amounts of cache but AMD still kicks their butt by almost 40%. Is it clocks, IPC, AVX512, all, something else?

It's probably the clock speeds, Intel chips are notorious for sever throttling under AVX loads. Possibly inferior inter core communication.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

Also this….

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Gave this a look and it was a matter of 'sucks more power, but mean perf/watt is better' and I think that a pretty on-brand comparison between amd64 and aarch64.

ARM just isn't it for HPC unless you're really worried about the electricity bill. What's always been more exciting for me is how well ARM does in the consumer space, since it has already carved out a niche in low-power with mobile devices and Apple Silicon devices. The main issue seems to be adoption, and rightfully so—developing software for two different architectures ain't all that profitable unless you're in bed with Tim Cook. Microsoft bungled its chance with the Snapdragon X Elite and Windows ARM.

 

[AusWolf]

Impressive... But the product naming is stupid. 9575 for the 64-core and 9755 for the 128-core chip? How many clients are gonna order the wrong part because they accidentally flipped two numbers in an email?

 

[Minus Infinity]

Why is Zen 5 in server config so much better than Zen 5% in desktop config. We are talking up to 10x better performance improvements.

 

[HDBitdata]

Well... ...not exactly. ...Some of us have those builds as our personal home PC. Yes, you can actually get all the parts. It does require some creativity, engineering, and patience to make it quiet and suitable for your home.

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Wow. Care to share your case setup? I always wanted to get a dual Epyc with dual GPU like yours but didn’t know how to make it work with all these weird server motherboards.

edit: nvm just looked at your post history

 

[Chaitanya]

Attention Gamers:

This is the point of Zen5.....to win the battle where the REAL money in x86 is....

But of course anyone who read Phoronix's review of Zen5 when the consumer chips were released, you would have seen this coming.

Tell that to Hardware unboxed, granted AMD's loud mouths at marketting were to blame for the desktop launch debacle.

 

[igormp]

Why is Zen 5 in server config so much better than Zen 5% in desktop config. We are talking up to 10x better performance improvements.

Just look at Ryzen 9000 benchmarks on phoronix. It was widely known that Zen 5 got 20~40% improvements in those cases and that Epyc Turin would simply follow suit.

Main issue was that there were no noticeable benefits for gamers and that made this crowd throw a fit because their expected toy did not deliver lol

 

[Minus Infinity]

Just look at Ryzen 9000 benchmarks on phoronix. It was widely known that Zen 5 got 20~40% improvements in those cases and that Epyc Turin would simply follow suit.

Main issue was that there were no noticeable benefits for gamers and that made this crowd throw a fit because their expected toy did not deliver lol

No, not just gaming, productivity is just as weak 2-10% with some regressions.

 

[igormp]

No, not just gaming, productivity is just as weak 2-10% with some regressions.

1- Lots of stuff were apparently windows issues. Same workloads on linux provided better improvements (for both Zen 4 and Zen 5, but Zen 5 also saw bigger uplifts nonetheless)
2- Some of the workloads indeed saw no benefit at all, such as cinebench, which is really a SSE benchmark, which Zen 5 saw no improvements compared to Zen 4.

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X & Ryzen 9 9900X Deliver Excellent Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

17.8% on average, with some workloads seeing 40~60% uplift. It really is a matter of what specific workload you're dealing with, there is no "productivity" overall.

Feel free to scroll over 400 results, all of those can be considered "productivity" workloads:

https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2408130-PTS-RYZEN99089&sgm=1&hgv=Ryzen+9+9900X%252CRyzen+9+9950X&sor

 

[Scrizz]

NICE! I would imagine that only a few pieces of software are designed to step on the gas to take advantage of a CPU like that!!!
Getting a CPU like that, only to take advantage of 75%, would not be worthwhile in the long run.

These things are for virtualization and the like.
You could run soo many VMs with it.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

Impressive... But the product naming is stupid. 9575 for the 64-core and 9755 for the 128-core chip? How many clients are gonna order the wrong part because they accidentally flipped two numbers in an email?

Hopefully this helps:

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[tetrapak]

Well... ...not exactly. ...Some of us have those builds as our personal home PC. Yes, you can actually get all the parts. It does require some creativity, engineering, and patience to make it quiet and suitable for your home.

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Total offtopic, but your system is impressive :O holy sh** that’s some serious powerhouse, nice !

 

[Wirko]

Hopefully this helps:

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They're going to have to extend the 2nd digit to A-Z or alpha-omega.

It's probably the clock speeds, Intel chips are notorious for sever throttling under AVX loads. Possibly inferior inter core communication.

At least the inter-chiplet communication should be far superior with EMIB vs. wires on substrate. It would be reflected in some HPC benchmark where all the cores work on a common giant data set, of a size close to the total L3.

 

[AusWolf]

Hopefully this helps:

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This is the most retarded, idiotic, convoluted mess of a naming scheme I've seen in my whole life! Product series? Performance? Generation? What the hell do these things even mean? Complete bullshit.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Well... ...not exactly. ...Some of us have those builds as our personal home PC. Yes, you can actually get all the parts. It does require some creativity, engineering, and patience to make it quiet and suitable for your home.

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I hope you don't have cats!

This is the most retarded, idiotic, convoluted mess of a naming scheme I've seen in my whole life! Product series? Performance? Generation? What the hell do these things even mean? Complete bullshit.

In this space, it really doesn't matter. Whatever name they choose, it's not really going to spell it out--it just needs to be a unique identifier. Anyone shopping this segment is going to have a product list open and do a lot of cost/benefit measures. Once they pick the winner, it's just a matter of putting the correct model number on the order sheet.

 

[mechtech]

Impressive. And actually capturing market share. Strange indeed, no anti AMD crowd here! Because the products just speak for themselves. Worth reflecting on, for any average GPU topic.

Sometimes it still doesn't matter. I asked our IT/IS admins how come we don't have a single AMD product.................answer...............we're not familiar with it so Intel only, or Intel is better in every way.

That's what I was told.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

This is the most retarded, idiotic, convoluted mess of a naming scheme I've seen in my whole life! Product series? Performance? Generation? What the hell do these things even mean? Complete bullshit.

I dont know, but it kinds makes sense to me.

Now, i would love something similar with Intel offerings, because those have no rhyme or reason, to me anyways.

 

[Wirko]

This is the most retarded, idiotic, convoluted mess of a naming scheme I've seen in my whole life! Product series? Performance? Generation? What the hell do these things even mean? Complete bullshit.

Yeah, Zen generation being encoded in the model number is fully retarded. Luckily Intel avoids that, and often AMD does too.

 

[Vayra86]

Sometimes it still doesn't matter. I asked our IT/IS admins how come we don't have a single AMD product.................answer...............we're not familiar with it so Intel only, or Intel is better in every way.

That's what I was told.

That answers directly why it takes multiple generations of successful leading products to get a serious foot in the door. Enterprise is all about trust and support, consistency. Intel's been offering that for a long time. AMD will have to keep firing on all cylinders to attain that status.

 

[venturi]

I hope you don't have cats!

In this space, it really doesn't matter. Whatever name they choose, it's not really going to spell it out--it just needs to be a unique identifier. Anyone shopping this segment is going to have a product list open and do a lot of cost/benefit measures. Once they pick the winner, it's just a matter of putting the correct model number on the order sheet.

I have "a" cat: a 23 LB, 11month old mainecoon. He's completely harmless around our PCs.

I understand your comment as the PCs in our house are more of an open case design. With the concept of quiet and cool (even under all core load or all GPU load, the fans do spin up but its not unpleasant, most of the tasks don't make things spool up to max

The CPUs are massive, and can generate a lot of heat, but we keep the house between 69-72F, so not an issue.
The new CPUs at 500W....well...I am not sure if I can design an air cooled system. 1000W on one board (before counting a couple of TB of ram, 2 video cards, and the U.2/u.3 drives is a massive amount of energy to dissipate quietly. Its only 200W more than what I'm doing now, but its still at the edge of feasible (quietly). For the prior, the heatsinks had to be heavily edited to retain air cool and be effective.

Would I embark on the highest of the new series? ....I might way to Zen 6
Beyond this CPU step, I would also need a massive increase in other factors such as a worthy GEN 6 and the rest.



While we can argue and postulate and many things on the new CPUs what I am most impressed with:


A week after Intel's reveal on their new server CPUs (in a sea of other intel organizational and product woes). WHAM!! --> AMD smacked them back down.
Amazing timing.....

I'd hate to be Patrick at the next board meeting...

 

[yfn_ratchet]

That answers directly why it takes multiple generations of successful leading products to get a serious foot in the door. Enterprise is all about trust and support, consistency. Intel's been offering that for a long time. AMD will have to keep firing on all cylinders to attain that status.

And even then those kinds of clients will only come around when it's necessary to replace everything, like companies still running on 2011 Xeons that can't keep up anymore and they need to be advertised to that yes, you can, in fact, run all of your clusters in the exact same way on AMD-based systems and we even made a helpful tool to do all the tedious work for you. I mean, I get it, it's the same human behavior patterns that surface in any vaguely bureaucratic system, but it gets rather frustrating to mull over for more than a few seconds.

 

[tpuuser256]

Also, I think about when Asrock/Supermicro have the dual slot support for a processor like this, that is 1000W just at a dual CPUS.

The number of bots you could run with that... /s