AMD or Intel, this is the question.

[Ruru]

You missed my point. AM4 will still be supported with Zen3, LGA1151v2 doesn't have anything more powerful coming anymore.

....and it's still the same Skylake from 2015, just with MOAR CORES and higher clocks. Even the upcoming Comedy Lake is the same, 14nm+++++++++++++ and more cores & clocks.

 

[EarthDog]

You missed my point. AM4 will still be supported with Zen3, LGA1151v2 doesn't have anything more powerful coming anymore.

....and it's still the same Skylake from 2015, just with MOAR CORES and higher clocks. Even the upcoming Comedy Lake is the same, 14nm+++++++++++++ and more cores & clocks.

one has to play the balancing game with EOL sockets. I mean, it's nice to be able to drop in another CPU in a few years, but to what end in 3 years? Pcie 4.0 and ddr4? Wht about 5.0 and ddr5? I dont want a 7-10 year old mobo. I'd rather pay the $200 again in 3-4 years and get the latest and greatest. Look at x470... no pcie 4.0... but hey the new cpu works!

 

[Ruru]

one has to play the balancing game with EOL sockets. I mean, it's nice to be able to drop in another CPU in a few years, but to what end in 3 years? Pcie 4.0 and ddr4? Wht about 5.0 and ddr5? I dont want a 7-10 year old mobo. I'd rather pay the $200 again in 3-4 years and get the latest and greatest. Look at x470... no pcie 4.0... but hey the new cpu works!

Good point there, but usually it takes time when the new PCIe gen is actually needed. For now, RX 5500 XT 4GB seems to be the only one which is bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0..

And hey, some still use Sandy Bridge as their daily driver!

 

[EarthDog]

Good point there, but usually it takes time when the new PCIe gen is actually needed. For now, RX 5500 XT 4GB seems to be the only one which is bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0..

And hey, some still use Sandy Bridge as their daily driver!

Right. It does take time... but there are those who prefer and can sit on the same mobo and features for say 7 years, and there are those who when updating their CPU, would like access to all the new features or perhaps need them. If a system is going to last through the CPUs user defined life, a 7+ year old mobo may not cut it. For example, does your Z69 pro3 have M.2 slots for PCIe based SSDs? It really does depend on what the user does, expects from their hardware feature wise, and budget. It isn't as cut and dry as some may make it out to be.

 

[Ruru]

Right. It does take time... but there are those who prefer and can sit on the same mobo and features for say 7 years, and there are those who when updating their CPU, would like access to all the new features or perhaps need them. If a system is going to last through the CPUs user defined life, a 7+ year old mobo may not cut it. For example, does your Z69 pro3 have M.2 slots for PCIe based SSDs? It really does depend on what the user does, expects from their hardware feature wise, and budget. It isn't as cut and dry as some may make it out to be.

Nope, 2x SATA3 and 4x SATA2 But in fact the only annoying thing in that motherboard is that it doesn't have an USB3.0 header for the front USB. Well, I'll just get a cheap USB3.0 PCIe card from ebay which as a header.

 

[EarthDog]

Nope, 2x SATA3 and 4x SATA2 But in fact the only annoying thing in that motherboard is that it doesn't have an USB3.0 header for the front USB. Well, I'll just get a cheap USB3.0 PCIe card from ebay which as a header.

Just an example of missing technology from something so old... buying an AIC for USB 3.0 helps, but takes away from the money saved... even if it is only a few dollars. But yeah, no M.2 SATA/PCIe at all, no native USB 3.0... personally, I NEED those things.

 

[JackCarver]

You missed my point. AM4 will still be supported with Zen3, LGA1151v2 doesn't have anything more powerful coming anymore.

I have an Core i7 8700K and I wouldn’t ever buy a cpu of the coffee lake refresh, I wait till Comet Lake or the cpus after that. AM4 has exact one upgrade option left and you can use it only if you buy direct one cpu of the next generation, I wouldn‘t ever do this so also with am4 I would have to replace the Mainboard....

 

[Ruru]

Just an example of missing technology from something so old... buying an AIC for USB 3.0 helps, but takes away from the money saved... even if it is only a few dollars. But yeah, no M.2 SATA/PCIe at all, no native USB 3.0... personally, I NEED those things.

You must keep in mind that it's my 2nd PC/HTPC which is built with ~200EUR total spent, not my daily driver gaming PC.

 

[EarthDog]

You must keep in mind that it's my 2nd PC/HTPC which is built with ~200EUR total spent, not my daily driver gaming PC.

I hear ya (though not the point). Just stating that a system can be really long in the tooth for many keeping their board that long just to be able to drop a new processor in. Money doesn't grow on trees in my world either, but, my needs require me to budget and save for what I want and need.

 

[Ruru]

I have an Core i7 8700K and I wouldn’t ever buy a cpu of the coffee lake refresh, I wait till Comet Lake or the cpus after that. AM4 has exact one upgrade option left and you can use it only if you buy direct one cpu of the next generation, I wouldn‘t ever do this so also with am4 I would have to replace the Mainboard....

I'm truly wondering why. Intel has been using the same architecture since 2015 just with those updates I mentioned above. AMD has improved with every Ryzen gen.

Well, that isn't my concern, but I just wonder why.

 

[Cherry2Blost]

Hello everyone!
This is my first post here, Happy New year.

My aging Sandy Bridge system has been in need of replacing for over two years, but never got round to it. It's always the same, money is needed elsewhere and you keep delaying until your PC is over 8 years old!

I would like to make a premise by saying that I am not a fan of either blue or red team.
True, that all computers I owned in the past, except for one, were Intel. But back in 2006 I got my very first AMD Athlon 64, which was a very good CPU.

Right now I am looking to buy a new computer. It's main purpose is gaming at 1080p, from simple online card games, to triple A titles.
I am not really interested with the performance benefits in other applications. Gaming is where I want my PC to perform at its best.

At first I was going to buy Intel and the choice was between the i5 9600k and the i7 9700k (the 8700k seemed out of stock). But when the new Ryzen were released (3600, 3600x, 3700x) I was very impressed, especially over the Ryzen 5 3600. Here was a budget CPU with plenty of gaming power. It could be paired with a relatively cheap B450 motherboard, unlike the Z390s for Intel.

With any new technology there are always a few rough edges to be smoothed out, so I waited a few months to see what would happen.

But as of now there are quite a few people still complaining about high temperatures on idle and especially at full load. Some complain of temps in the mid 80s at full load. I read that ZEN2 throttles at 95C and will shut down at 105C. I understand this, but the idea of having my new CPU at 80C only because I am watching a youtube video is worrying.

This is the point of this lengthy post, I am worried that after buying a Ryzen 5 3600, or maybe even a 3700X if possible, I will start having problems with high temps and also high core voltages. I am aware that many other people are quite happy with their new Ryzen and temps are in their mid 70s at load. I would be very happy if that was the case with me.

But are these real problems? Is it a good idea to buy a Ryzen 3000 today? Is it a safe choice?

On the other side of the rainbow Intel only has the i7 9700K to offer (the i9 is too expensive and in my opinion unnecessary just to play games).
But even the i7 feels "old" as it is without HT and I'll need to spend more. But it seems more stable and with less problems than the Ryzen 3000, please correct me if I'm mistaken.

These are the parts I'd like to get, but I am a little unease about it. Should I venture into new territory and get the 3600/3700X or stick with Intel and the i7 9700K?

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Hi that 3600/3700X would be great, course an i5 would be perfectly fine too, but having had Ryzen since Gen 1... the 3600 is a very nice bit of kit, the B450's are $ for $ better value but choice is yours.
As for NVME SSD I would actually forget the Intel one and go for the Sabrent 1TB TLC available for similar money on Amazon... Better performance for same money..

I did a comparison on my Ryzen 3800X system running X470 as follows. I purposely used 3GB so as to try to swamp the Cache on Samsung 970 Evo.... Sabrent is a blooming good drive IMHO. Course you could always go X570 and PCIe 4.0 Sabrent for that really sweet Gen 4 SSD Speed

As for Ryzen Temps, nah as long as you use decent paste (TG), have good airflow routing and a half decent (stock even) cooler you needn't worry, I mean my 8 core All Core OC @ 4300 only hits mid 60's on Prime so...... But i5 will game quite nicely at 1080p as would an i3 or an i7... heck your uplift from Sandy Bridge will be about 20% by going to a new i5 so that's a pretty good uplift... isn't it?

 

[trickson]

You missed my point. AM4 will still be supported with Zen3, LGA1151v2 doesn't have anything more powerful coming anymore.

....and it's still the same Skylake from 2015, just with MOAR CORES and higher clocks. Even the upcoming Comedy Lake is the same, 14nm+++++++++++++ and more cores & clocks.

Exactly why AMD is the real clear choice.
Intel much like AMD during the FX era is stuck (For now) with adding more cores and more speed Not much coming from them now AMD they got all kinds of goodies.
Also why would ANYONE suggest the B450 Chipset for the AMD Ryzen? It's old and well not even as close to nice as the X470 or the X570.
The B450 Chipset is NOT going to give the performance it's just NOT.

 

[RealNeil]

my point was never about performance, but rather if the Ryzen 3000 CPU series may have problems, specifically related to over heating on full load, or even on idle.

The Ryzen 3000 series 3600 has better thermal performance than the 1600X that I built for my wife. Her PC is in a small case with an AMD RGB CPU Cooler and three 120mm case fans. It stays in the 35c range at stock and gets up to the low 50c range at full load.

I like your parts list and the only change I would make is for the 5700XT, specifically the Sapphire Radeon Pulse card. This one is a great p[erformer and is priced right too. It will slay 1080P gaming without any problems at all.
Here is a link to look at: https://bit.ly/2Tk3y3r

As others have already pointed out, this better GPU would be paid for by reducing costs on the overkill PSU that you selected. (I love the Seasonic brand though) Just get a smaller size. (550W-600W)

 

[Ruru]

Exactly why AMD is the real clear choice.
Intel much like AMD during the FX era is stuck (For now) with adding more cores and more speed Not much coming from them now AMD they got all kinds of goodies.
Also why would ANYONE suggest the B450 Chipset for the AMD Ryzen? It's old and well not even as close to nice as the X470 or the X570.
The B450 Chipset is NOT going to give the performance it's just NOT.

B450 is just fine. I had a X470 motherboard before but it broke and I couldn't RMA it. I see no difference in performance in any means.

 

[Cherry2Blost]

Nothing Wrong with B450, I have the worlds worst (apparently) X470 board and my 3800X works just fine and dandy on it

 

[bogmali]

This thread has turned into a huge sidebar conversation, OP I believe you got enough recommendation to make a decision so I am shutting this down.