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AMD today launched its 9-Series chipset line-up today, helping PC builders to develop next generation high performance desktop platforms. The company also unveiled its 2011 HD Tablet Platform, based on the AMD Z-Series Accelerated Processing Unit (APU), enabling vivid media display and content creation capabilities for the fast-growing market of Microsoft Windows-based tablets. These new AMD products are designed to enable more immersive digital experiences for the PC and tablet markets.

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anyone else worried how AMD keeps pushing eight core CPUs as "gaming CPUs". they did the same crap with their fraud Phenom II six core units which routinely had the same FPS as their four core alternatives and both where spanked by Intel's new SB dual core CPUs. I would like to upgrade to a new BD CPU in the future but not if AMD's sales pitch is "more cores for your money..." instead of "we have a CPU that can compete with Intel's SB core for core (or at least be in the same ballpark" :shadedshu
 

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Each of those 8 cores has 200% IPC improvement over Phenom II.
 

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anyone else worried how AMD keeps pushing eight core CPUs as "gaming CPUs".
No, they're going with a new design for their chips this time around so we should be seeing a good performance increase.

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they did the same crap with their fraud Phenom II six core units which routinely had the same FPS as their four core alternatives and both where spanked by Intel's new SB dual core CPUs.
The majority of games coming out still don't utilize multiple cores/threads, hence you see a small or even non exist performance difference in CPU's with different core counts. Now when software that does take advantage of multiple cores and threads it is true that Sandy Bridge and the Core i7 line does generally beat out AMD's line of chips, but it's because there architecture can push out more per cycle. But AMD's chips are more then sufficient for gaming and they generally hit the price for performance sweet spot, so there is nothing wrong with advertising their CPU's as gaming CPU's.
 
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anyone else worried how AMD keeps pushing eight core CPUs as "gaming CPUs". they did the same crap with their fraud Phenom II six core units which routinely had the same FPS as their four core alternatives
thats the game devs foult for not coding their games to support more than 4 cores
 
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No, they're going with a new design for their chips this time around so we should be seeing a good performance increase.



The majority of games coming out still don't utilize multiple cores/threads, hence you see a small or even non exist performance difference in CPU's with different core counts. Now when software that does take advantage of multiple cores and threads it is true that Sandy Bridge and the Core i7 line does generally beat out AMD's line of chips, but it's because there architecture can push out more per cycle. But AMD's chips are more then sufficient for gaming and they generally hit the price for performance sweet spot, so there is nothing wrong with advertising their CPU's as gaming CPU's.
I know and agree that AMD CPUs are sufficient for gaming but that doesn't mean I wouln't like a more competitive CPU to Intel offering.
 
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Well it isn't any different than Intel's Mhz is better pushing that they used to do. Consumer will always be swayed with more is better. They don't know anything about what apps will or will not benefit from more cores/etc. In the future I can see more things taking advantage of 8+ cores but right now gaming is hindered by the consoles and those are triple cores with 7900/X1900 level graphics. Unless they take the time to code for more on PC, we'll still be getting games in the dual to quad core range.
 
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anyone else worried how AMD keeps pushing eight core CPUs as "gaming CPUs". they did the same crap with their fraud Phenom II six core units which routinely had the same FPS as their four core alternatives and both where spanked by Intel's new SB dual core CPUs. I would like to upgrade to a new BD CPU in the future but not if AMD's sales pitch is "more cores for your money..." instead of "we have a CPU that can compete with Intel's SB core for core (or at least be in the same ballpark" :shadedshu
It doesn't worry me because I didn't buy one. IMO AMD have been exagerating their CPU performance to their own detriment. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't trust their claims.
 

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anyone else worried how AMD keeps pushing eight core CPUs as "gaming CPUs". they did the same crap with their fraud Phenom II six core units which routinely had the same FPS as their four core alternatives and both where spanked by Intel's new SB dual core CPUs. I would like to upgrade to a new BD CPU in the future but not if AMD's sales pitch is "more cores for your money..." instead of "we have a CPU that can compete with Intel's SB core for core (or at least be in the same ballpark" :shadedshu
This has been my thought ever since I heard about BD focusing on 8-core CPU's.

People think BD is supposed to surpass SB easily, but did they ever think why and how would AMD be able to produce a CPU that has more cores AND more performance at a similar or cheaper cost than Intel?

Doesn't make sense to me. :/
 

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This has been my thought ever since I heard about BD focusing on 8-core CPU's.

People think BD is supposed to surpass SB easily, but did they ever think why and how would AMD be able to produce a CPU that has more cores AND more performance at a similar or cheaper cost than Intel?

Doesn't make sense to me. :/
Cost doesn't reflect consumer price, competition does.
 
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anyone else worried how AMD keeps pushing eight core CPUs as "gaming CPUs". they did the same crap with their fraud Phenom II six core units which routinely had the same FPS as their four core alternatives and both where spanked by Intel's new SB dual core CPUs. I would like to upgrade to a new BD CPU in the future but not if AMD's sales pitch is "more cores for your money..." instead of "we have a CPU that can compete with Intel's SB core for core (or at least be in the same ballpark" :shadedshu
Which just goes to show you how most games are still pathetically designed for single (core/thread) along with most of the other software that is out there.

Development of native 64 bit programs and programs that take advantage of at least 4 (cores/threads) is utterly slow.
 
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I know and agree that AMD CPUs are sufficient for gaming but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like a more competitive CPU to Intel offering.
Well it's David vs Goliath. Intel's R&D budget and manpower is probably greater than AMD's entire company. Having an 85% market share helps.

It amazes me that people think AMD should be able to beat Intel or be on par with them with 1/100 the income.

Could you build a better house on your budget vs Bill Gates budget?

And then people complain about competition. Well if no one helps out the little guy how is he ever supposed to get better?

Sigh.
 
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Well it's David vs Goliath. Intel's R&D budget and manpower is probably greater than AMD's entire company. Having an 85% market share helps.

It amazes me that people think AMD should be able to beat Intel or be on par with them with 1/100 the income.

Could you build a better house on your budget vs Bill Gates budget?

And then people complain about competition. Well if no one helps out the little guy how is he ever supposed to get better?

Sigh.

Actually yes you could.Define better !
 
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Each of those 8 cores has 200% IPC improvement over Phenom II.
any links, articles, discussions please.

dilemma to pick up the 1090T sale on egg or wait few more months to really see if AMD has really worked hard.
 
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Which just goes to show you how most games are still pathetically designed for single (core/thread) along with most of the other software that is out there.

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false. just false. it has been a long time since I have played a game that didn't take advantage of at least 4 threads. games like battlefield use all 8. I see plenty of market for more cores.
 

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Intel is to apple like AMD is to PC. Might be a little better but at twice the price.
 
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Well it's David vs Goliath. Intel's R&D budget and manpower is probably greater than AMD's entire company. Having an 85% market share helps.

It amazes me that people think AMD should be able to beat Intel or be on par with them with 1/100 the income.

Could you build a better house on your budget vs Bill Gates budget?

And then people complain about competition. Well if no one helps out the little guy how is he ever supposed to get better?

Sigh.
no one asks or expects AMD to be equal with Intel but being in the same ballpark is not too much to ask. What no one wants is AMD to release six-eight core CPUs and then state "look how well it does on synthetic benchmarks" meanwhile Intel dual core CPUs are running past them with ease in every game benchmark. Is a good quad core CPU from AMD that can compete with Intel SB i5 quads (i5-2300 -2400) in real world benchmarks too much to ask? I would think even Intel fan boys would like to see that since competition brings down prices.
 
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It's not AMD or Intel's fault that we are still mostly using games that are designed for single or dual core CPUs.
It's the gamedevs who don't want to go back and re-learn how to program in order to utilize more than 2 cores.
And the game Publishers who insist on making games Xb0x360 compatible, then porting to PC.
Until Xbox dies(or is refreshed to 64-bit, quad-plus core), we're stuck with 32 bit, dx9, dual core, buggy console ports.

Also the AMD quad and hexa cores do okay in the few games that actually use quad-plus cores. But the Intel quad and hexa cores do out perform them.

And, some people do expect AMD to deliver a competitive product. Sadly, they are still living in the Athlon glory days.

It would be nice if they could leverage something to get back on even footing, but it seems like they are stuck 1 generation behind Intel at this point.
I expect Bulldozer to be roughly original i7 series in terms of performance, just like the Phenom line was like the Core2 series.

If they can do better, then I will be pleasantly surprised.
 
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I am the only lucky guy who doesn't use the CPU for gaming purposes?

so my options broadens a lot. More cores are better for my purposes. hopefully with the A8, six core intels will be more affordable. Maybe, I will even have a hard time deciding which one to get. One is already available but has a non-serious GPU inside. C'mon on.... no matter what, its not a serious GPU. The A8 is a complete mystery but we can expect better integrated GPU. Nice for some gaming when you are bored on sundays. But I expect more of it on the open GL optimization for video effects and rendering. Oh and it has to be affordable. I won't be buying a video card, to the contrary, I will be selling mine. But I wouldn't go for A8 APU if that thing costs more than 300$... no way.
 
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And, some people do expect AMD to deliver a competitive product. Sadly, they are still living in the Athlon glory days.

It would be nice if they could leverage something to get back on even footing, but it seems like they are stuck 1 generation behind Intel at this point.
I expect Bulldozer to be roughly original i7 series in terms of performance, just like the Phenom line was like the Core2 series.

If they can do better, then I will be pleasantly surprised.
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this Sir.

The last time AMD released a completely new architecture was the glory days of the Athlon.

If they can do as well as they have by using the same basic architecture since then, I think that they will be able to pull off something really special with a completely new one.

Of course, that is just my opinion, and I could very well be wrong. Hopefully the wait to find out won't be too long.
 
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#24
This has been my thought ever since I heard about BD focusing on 8-core CPU's.

People think BD is supposed to surpass SB easily, but did they ever think why and how would AMD be able to produce a CPU that has more cores AND more performance at a similar or cheaper cost than Intel?

Doesn't make sense to me. :/
Actually it does when you consider you are buying the Intel name. I don't buy into it but they have created this perception of brand name that I guess people buy. Course I grew up with RISC Macs and I never saw Intel as a prestige title. Then when I switched to PC building, I didn't like the premium that came with Intel, so I bought AMD instead.

I really doubt their CPUs are that much more costly than AMD when it all comes down to it at the manufacturing level.
 

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#25
hello to all

the problem is software.... even if you have a server bord with 4 cpu (16 or more core) the software will not give you an increase of performance that will be at least egual with the number of core

like many I go from x4 to x6 but for the number of cores. more core in this day dont give you a UBER performance... it only give you the real possibility of multitasking, the possibility to run more programs with same performance in one system

the big number of core will give you a bust in any software that need multi processing power or parallel processing. for that the software must be optimized

there are also can be say same words about the design of the core (one core) in phenom II /Phenom 1 and the Bulldozer core, same performance will come from the design

so from were the cpu give as the performance/power .... let see:

- the design of the core....(and of the cpu)
- the power rise from the number of core
- the power rise from the speed of the cpu (of the cores)
- and not in last place the power rise from interconnectivity of the cpu to the system (at this point enter also the memory, the chipset(s),)

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