In a way I hope it's true. Maybe this will be AMD's repetition of HD5000 series. Those made monumental leaps in performance for very affordable price.
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4th generation GCN is not going to have large changes except for the shrinking itself, so I'm wondering how ~2.560 of these cores can outperform 4.096 cores from Fiji while still operating at a lower frequency. It would be nice, but I'm not convinced.
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One can only dream about it...me included my friend, me included...In a way I hope it's true. Maybe this will be AMD's repetition of HD5000 series. Those made monumental leaps in performance for very affordable price.
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If you go back a bit, you'll realize it's not a dream, those leaps in performance were always present when shrinking the node and lets not forget that this jump is huge 28 to 14, because they skiped 20nm.One can only dream about it...me included my friend, me included...
May be a dumb question, but why are we not getting leaps in performance with Intel's node shrinks?If you go back a bit, you'll realize it's not a dream, those leaps in performance were always present when shrinking the node and lets not forget that this jump is huge 28 to 14, because they skiped 20nm.
because they've already optimized CPU portion as much as they can, so they use the added space to increase cache performance and iGPU.May be a dumb question, but why are we not getting leaps in performance with Intel's node shrinks?
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Short and inadequate answer: Amdahl's law.May be a dumb question, but why are we not getting leaps in performance with Intel's node shrinks?
They say the games can be scaled easily, but it still throws a different set of hardware into the mix. Different capabilities, a different GPU arch, better CPU speed, ece. They can say all they want that games will "scale" and be playable on both platforms, but devs have a very poor history of actually doing this.Alright, I only did it the second time becaus3 he got choked up on it the first time. I'll play nice. What does Sony have to lose from putting that much power in a console? They still have the PS4 for casual gamers. Since the same games can be scaled up or down, they would not be dividing the market that much. (unlike the GENESIS, 3DO, Sega CD days)
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Exactly! It's twice as big the leap in performance for same architectures already. So, it can be used either to make an almost 2X GPU in performance in same die size and same power consumption, or a same level performing GPU for half the size and consumption. Polaris 10 is the 2nd option one. Vega 10 might be the 1st.If you go back a bit, you'll realize it's not a dream, those leaps in performance were always present when shrinking the node and lets not forget that this jump is huge 28 to 14, because they skiped 20nm.
What he doesn't tell is that, nvidia will have a replacement at some point for 970, at for sure will have 980+ performance at lower prices."If you look at the total install base of a Radeon 290, or a GTX 970 or above [the minimum specs required for VR], it's around 7.5 million units," explained Taylor. "But the issue is that if a publisher wants to sell a £40/$50 VR game, there's not a big enough market to justify that yet. We've got to prime the pumps, which means somebody has got to start writing cheques to big games publishers. Or we've got to increase the install TAM [total addressable market].
"The reason Polaris is a big deal," continued Taylor, "is because I believe we will be able to grow that TAM significantly. I don't think Nvidia is going to do anything to increase the TAM, because according to everything we've seen around Pascal, it's a high-end part. I don't know what the price is gonna be, but let's say it's as low as £500/$600 and as high as £800/$1000. That price range is not going to expand the TAM for VR. We're going on the record right now to say Polaris will expand the TAM. Full stop."
His point doesn't make a lot of sense. Early adopters of VR will need to pony up $$$ for headsets, video cards, and games if they want a good experience. It's always like that with new tech. Cards have existed for many years that have adequate specs for VR, they just aren't real cheap.Roy Taylor talks about Polaris.
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First bunch of GPUs from nVidia will be GP104 being available to buy in late summer. First bunch of AMD GPUs will be available in early summer and it's clear they will hit at price levels from the words Taylor let out. So, 290/970 level of performance for lot less money, power consumption and temps is the conclusion, which should make everyone happy.http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/04/amd-focusing-on-vr-mid-range-polaris/
Roy Taylor talks about Polaris.
What he doesn't tell is that, nvidia will have a replacement at some point for 970, at for sure will have 980+ performance at lower prices.
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In the meantime, AMD made it official Polaris 10 is a mainstream chip and Polaris 11 is for notebooks. Huge letdown as this allows nvidia to milk the high-end for another 9-12 months.In a way I hope it's true. Maybe this will be AMD's repetition of HD5000 series. Those made monumental leaps in performance for very affordable price.
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High-end is such a small % of the market anyway. That's why the performance segment is usually the first to hit the market. This way companies also get to milk the actual performance parts as high-end if the competition has nothing similar to offer (see NVIDIA).In the meantime, AMD made it official Polaris 10 is a mainstream chip and Polaris 11 is for notebooks. Huge letdown as this allows nvidia to milk the high-end for another 9-12 months.
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So you're saying AMD not having high-end parts is an achievement then?High-end is such a small % of the market anyway. That's why the performance segment is usually the first to hit the market. This way companies also get to milk the actual performance parts as high-end if the competition has nothing similar to offer (see NVIDIA).
I think it's important to see what AMD is going for here. Polaris is around 2/3 the size of GP104. If Polaris XT manages to achieve 90% of say GTX1080's performance, then that's a win-win product for AMD. That was the case with the 4870 and GTX280, if you remember.So you're saying AMD not having high-end parts is an achievement then?
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That's fanboy talk. We've been here before, here's how it plays out:I think it's important to see what AMD is going for here. Polaris is around 2/3 the size of GP104. If Polaris XT manages to achieve 90% of say GTX1080's performance, then that's a win-win product for AMD. That was the case with the 4870 and GTX280, if you remember.
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Em... nope. It happened before. There are cases as old as the first 8800GTX and more recently as GTX 980. Other than a dual gpu card, AMD had no answer against GTX 980 for months. And Vega is not a year away.this is the first time Nvidia will release a new flagship and AMD won't have an answer for about a year.
AMD says it will not be introduced until 2017, so even a year from now would probably be lucky.And Vega is not a year away.
You're the one fanboy talking pal. A "flagship" card that costs +$500 and offer 10% more performance over $350 priced Polaris XT is not a win. That's the position Nvidia was in when they released their 200 series cards back in 2008, and they lost market share to AMD in that year.That's fanboy talk. We've been here before, here's how it plays out:
- Nvidia is first to the market with a flagship, milks customers for months
- AMD releases a flagship that's a tad faster than Nvidia's
- Nvidia cuts prices, so AMD gets no chance to make a profit
It's true that money's in the mid-range segment (and OEM), but let's not ignore the elephant in the room: this is the first time Nvidia will release a new flagship and AMD won't have an answer for about a year. And their argument about "VR TAM" is pure rubbish, that's what scares me the most - it means there's no other reason they did this except they couldn't build a proper flagship yet.
That would be an enourmous achievement. GCN is currently way behind Maxwell, and Pascal is a major architectural overhaul while 4th generation GCN is not. Keep in mind that Fiji is just performing close to GM200, even though it has 50% more theoretical performance.I think it's important to see what AMD is going for here. Polaris is around 2/3 the size of GP104. If Polaris XT manages to achieve 90% of say GTX1080's performance, then that's a win-win product for AMD.
How would memory compression help with bad performance? AMD has plenty of memory bandwidth, that is really not the issue.Polaris should also have memory compression for frame buffer color data, which helped quite a bit with Tonga. Hawaii chips lack this feature.