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Man.. i kinda feel sorry for them, but at the same time happy that NVIDIA started kicking so much ass
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Stickers are for yesterday you hippy - paint it yourself....Are you crazy?!?! Of course the new one will be better. Its got a sticker on it! Everyone knows 1337ness comes from stickers! Just look at ricers!
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Now AMD is a far better deal.
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1. Its doesn't "perform worse"...what?
how is paying the same price for a card that performs worse, runs hotter, and uses more power a better deal?
^To add to this...1. Its doesn't "perform worse"
2. Runs hotter yet OC WAY BETTER.
3. Less then 1 watt at idle and now NVIDIA users care about power consumption?
4. 7970 is cheaper AND in abundance.
There is NOTHING wrong with the 7970. It was just over priced in the first month or so.
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if u just talk about driver issue - GK104 is far newer card - and even gk104 using sw scheduling system for gpu - but hd7970 using hw scheduling system for gpubroken english... and yes there was those comparisons last gen, there is ALWAYS the same arguments year after year, it doesn't matter, the fact is the HD7970 is superior hardware, the drivers are to blame,slow development, rushing to be the first always has its downfalls, the proof is the benchmark comparisons with the preview hd7970 driver to the current driver, screw clock for clock the hd7970 can beat the 680 with base clocks if it had great drivers
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I just .. so much to be angry about, so little time.http://i.imgur.com/VXFP1.png
Man.. i kinda feel sorry for them, but at the same time happy that NVIDIA started kicking so much ass
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show link showing hd7970 losing to gtx680 with no driver influence on both cards?if u just talk about driver issue - GK104 is far newer card - and even gk104 using sw scheduling system for gpu - but hd7970 using hw scheduling system for gpu
with this conversation gk104 is far more driver intensive compare to hd7970
here with hardware canuck domain test - gtx680 about 15% faster than hd7970
for better comparison in future game 3dmark11 told us gtx680 about 20% faster than hd7970-new games better run on gforce cards - and we bought card for new games - not for 2006 crysis
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I say just going with the assertion that they'll be "just OC'd" is not entirely astute. They could be "Tahiti" the way AMD engineering anticipated would arrive from TSMC back last Oct/Nov; at 1Ghz while all within the 250 TDP. When they found the only way to maintain with the 250 TDP of the board design was to drop it to 925Mhz, it was the only choice without moving the launch back for who knows how long. And yes since that time AMD/AIB’s have been able to get improving binning of nice chips that OC, they still had exponentially higher power in achieving that. Now, the latest chip could provide 1Ghz, while offering the efficiency so many thought 7970's where lacking especially when OC'd.this mean "normal'' (non oc) 7970 would get cheaper or that the oc one would be more expensive? (gues the second option)
It's architectural. Nvidia simplified the CUDA architecture so it resembles more like the old Radeon VLIW architecture so they can get better pixel pushing, and lower power consumption, however this is at a sacrifice of computing power.Where's the explanation...I don't care about results..I know it's slower. I want to know WHY it's slower, yet faster in games.
I mean, after all, wouldn't that kind of be a selling feature for HD7970? IT does what GTX 680 cannot?
Personally, i think it's a lack or internal caches that are the issue ,and are also why it runs comparitively cool. Buty I do not hear suc hthings, I jsut hear peopel claiming it's slower.
It's architectural. Nvidia simplified the CUDA architecture so it resembles more like the old Radeon VLIW architecture so they can get better pixel pushing, and lower power consumption, however this is at a sacrifice of computing power.
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it's not a big deal at all, as even the cards that ship at stock speeds can max out AMD Overdrive at 1125 core, 1575 mem without overvolting.Looks like there are already cards that ship @ 1100 mhz and clock to 1250. I'm not sure if this is a big deal or not.
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i see u got the 3820, dude i couldnt wait for ivy bridge-e lol the 3770k is better technology and new shrink so i went with that insteadit's not a big deal at all, as even the cards that ship at stock speeds can max out AMD Overdrive at 1125 core, 1575 mem without overvolting.
i wouldn't be surprised if these GHz Edition cards are simply a reference card with a BIOS flash.
How specific do you want it?
That tells me what, exactly? It's very obvious it's different already, and you've said nothing other than that it is...
I WANT SPECIFICS!!!
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You just opened Pandora's box.How specific do you want it?
Well, I'm no microarchitecture designer yet, so I can't tell you specifics beyond what I've read.
As you know, the original CUDA architecture used in Fermi was complicated, and used a lot of power to work with it. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580/images/arch.jpg
AMD was at the same time using VLIW, an architecture great for pushing pixels due to the large number of shader units, however while it is good for simple parallel processing tasks, due to it's simplicity it isn't very suitable for computing.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/4061/Cayman block diagram_575px.png
With GCN, AMD decided to adopt a more complex shader architecture, closer to the CUDA cores present in Fermi, and made an architecture that was good for mostly any purpose, partially due to their future focus on APUs, and floating point math is a priority for the architecture. (HSA allows for floating point calculations to be done on GPU cores rather than FPU calcs on a separate CPU, and a GPU is better for floating point anyhow.)
http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/files/img/2012/01/Tahiti_II_M.jpg
Then with the GTX 680, Nvidia decided to focus on a gaming architecture, simplifing CUDA in order to fit more cores in a smaller number of space, and therefore improve rendering, however due to the simplification of the core design, computing is hampered, and may point to a complete split between workstation and gaming architectures for Nvidia. (this last statement is a personal assessment, due to the lack of a GK110 chip being present or confirmed for a gaming GPU at this time.)
http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/03/fermi-block-diagram.png
That's how I understand it all.
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1. All the reviews agreed that the 680 "performs better" so it means that the 7970 "performs worse""1. Its doesn't "perform worse"
2. Runs hotter yet OC WAY BETTER.
3. Less then 1 watt at idle and now NVIDIA users care about power consumption?
4. 7970 is cheaper AND in abundance.
There is NOTHING wrong with the 7970. It was just over priced in the first month or so.
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At this point in time, the 7970 $479 vs gtx 680 vaporware or $600 - $690 where available, which one do you think is overpriced, which one is a better buy?1. All the reviews agreed that the 680 "performs better" so it means that the 7970 "performs worse""
2. You're right from the point of view of percentage over stock but not many 7970 can do 1300MHz on air (maybe I'm wrong?)
3. 7970 at 1200MHz uses little under 100W more watts than a 680 at the same clocks.
4. Right
I think when themailman says it doesn't perform worse is the fact that you PLAY with both of them and you won't see any difference...
There's nothing wrong with the 7970 but it is still overpriced. Wait and see what the 670 will bring. (Unfortunately availability will be the main question)
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1. Depends on what you are looking for. Once you OC the 7970 is smokes the 680 and you gotta admit most people who drop this kinda coin on a GPU tend to OC. I mean if you want "plug and play" sure the 680 is better. If you are an enthusiast the 7970 is a better choice.1. All the reviews agreed that the 680 "performs better" so it means that the 7970 "performs worse""
2. You're right from the point of view of percentage over stock but not many 7970 can do 1300MHz on air (maybe I'm wrong?)
3. 7970 at 1200MHz uses little under 100W more watts than a 680 at the same clocks.
4. Right
There's nothing wrong with the 7970 but it is still overpriced. Wait and see what the 670 will bring. (Unfortunately availability will be the main question)