AMD Readies Ryzen 7 5700X3D and Ryzen 5 5500X3D Socket AM4 Processors

[rv8000]

And what bias would that be? I'd love to hear what I'm a shill for this time. Assuming you can name it, that is.

Your argument was that a 4080 launching was DOA because the 4090 existed. You took a lower product in the same stack and applied it to this, which is parts from an OBSOLETE previous gen stack being launched after their replacements have already been on the market. Now you cant refute that so you set up a strawman about different VRAM RTX 3000 series, which has nothing to do with the example you provided.

These sales were common, spread all over the internet, and available on such hard to find sites as newegg and ebay. See, you ASSUMED with no evidence that I was quoting microcenter deals, making an arse of yourself in the process.

Just calm down for a minute and think about it. If that level of performance, at a lower price pre inflation crisis, wasnt enough to upgrade, why would a higher price at a time where spending is being cut back be appealing? Especially that now the 7000 series is out, and AMD isnt getting any newer zen chips. Assuming you were that strapped for cash that you are only now looking at upgrading on AM4, there are a whole host of gently used ryzen 5000 chips for WAY cheaper then this that will provide a nice boost for less $$$. This is targeting a niche of a niche market. It doesnt make a whole lot of sense, especially nearly 2 years after AM4 was EOL'd.

Anyone with interest in a 5000 series X3D chip is not going to be enticed by second hand/low cost non 3D chips when the primary difference and importance is the 3D vcache; theres a stark performance difference between them when looking at the reason they be purchased in the first place.

 

[kapone32]

I still have a few AM4 boards sitting around. I also have nephews that have 3600 chips in their machines. If these are priced properly and have the expected X3D performance they will be great if sold world wide as the 5600X3D was a want but not available.

 

[freeagent]

They have this many x3d rejects?

Intel makes a lot of scrap too, and they sell them as anything that is not a flagship part

 

[Guwapo77]

I'd rather buy a 5950x at $300 ~ anyone at AMD listening?

If AMD makes the 5950X3D that I've been hoping for since the initial announcement, I'll sell you my current 5950X for $300 plus shipping.

 

[faye]

I'm not sure how I feel about that. The 5600X3D doesn't seem to have sold like I first thought they would so I wonder if there really is any kind of market for a slightly faster model at 5700X3D or a slightly slower 5500X3D.

Speaking of the 5600X3D, it is down to $199 at MicroCenter now. Puts their combo RAM/MB/CPU price at $269. Heck of a deal for a nice entry level gaming system.

The 5600X3D only being available for pick up at MicroCenter means it shouldn't be treated like other models in terms of popularity. Yes, I agree that they haven't sold as quickly as expected, but I'm also sure they'd be gone or good as if they could be ordered shipped. I'm assuming AMD will be selling these through normal channels, and if that's the case they'll probably do better than the 5600X3D.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So I guess AM5 sales are going swimmingly.

OR, AMD is continuing it's reputation for giving great support for it's existing platforms. Just throwing it out there.

That's like saying z790 isn't dead cause at the end of 2024 Intel will release the 14100T. Uhm, okay, I consider it dead already, but whatever floats your boat.

That has to be one of the most obtuse and pedantic statements I've read in a while. Troll on big man, troll on...

 

[fevgatos]

So, Nvidia releasing RTX 4090 first and lower models latter, means that RTX 4000 series is dead over a year now and we just wait here for the RTX 5000 series, or to be more precise, RTX 5090. After RTX 5090, RTX 5000 series will be considered dead, because every card released after RTX 5090 will be slower. Nice logic.

What? You think that graphics cards isn't a good example? OK.

Yes, it's a bad example cause gpus are not platforms.

Come on AMD, just release a 5950X3D. Please. You demo'd an early version as a proof-of-concept. Sure, it had 3DC on both dies, but I don't intend to really OC anyway.

Whats the point of a 5950x 3d? You realize the 7950x - or even the 7900x will be faster than the 5950x 3d on pretty much everything, games included? I really don't see the point. It won't even be cheaper than the 7900x is currently.

 

[trsttte]

I'd rather they kept pumping 5800x3d into the market, I held out on buying when it was 280€ around 2 weeks ago and now it's holding above 310€ again. Not that it's a huge difference but anyway.
If those numbers are confirmed that's quite a drop in clocks, the 5800x3d already didn't clock very high now these almost stop making sense.

This is like torture. AMD think of us with workstation and gaming pc in one. where are my 5950X3D?

Yes i know 5950X3D and for that matter 5900X3D has very very low chances of ever being a reality.

Given how weird the software situation was and limited benefits the 7950x3d and 7900x3d had I don't know if it makes a ton of sense to want that.

 

[wNotyarD]

Whats the point of a 5950x 3d? You realize the 7950x - or even the 7900x will be faster than the 5950x 3d on pretty much everything, games included? I really don't see the point. It won't even be cheaper than the 7900x is currently.

The point? Those who don't want to throw their whole AM4+DDR4 hardware away to upgrade, as it is still perfectly capable but still with space to be better.

 

[Colddecked]

Intel makes a lot of scrap too, and they sell them as anything that is not a flagship part

This many scraps for a high end desktop, last generation CPU?
They have to be making new 5000x3d chiplets and saving the decent ones that can run at a certain speed at a low voltage.
I'm calling it. PS5pro to have X3d CPU.

 

[Tomgang]

I'd rather they kept pumping 5800x3d into the market, I held out on buying when it was 280€ around 2 weeks ago and now it's holding above 310€ again. Not that it's a huge difference but anyway.
If those numbers are confirmed that's quite a drop in clocks, the 5800x3d already didn't clock very high now these almost stop making sense.



Given how weird the software situation was and limited benefits the 7950x3d and 7900x3d had I don't know if it makes a ton of sense to want that.

wNotyarD just exsplained it why. So i will let his comment be my comment as well.

However i will ad this: While Zen 4 3D was not to amusing. 5800X3D was a pretty good performance boost over 5800X. So o would expsect 5950X3D could potentially be the same. Sadly we will properly never know as i dout AMD will ever make this chip officially aviable. Also in some games 5800X3D is just as fast as the zen 4 none 3D cpu´s or even a bit faster. Also some where it´s slower. But just the fact that with a cpu upgrade, you can get zen 4 gaming performance, with out a platform change. Would be sweet. Zen 4 3D is faster yes, but also a much more exspensive upgrade.

 

[HD64G]

AM4 keeps on giving. Most consumer friendly platform ever. And the cash-cow for AMD to gain money to increase R&D. Extremely smart move business-wise imho.

 

[Knight47]

OR, AMD is continuing it's reputation for giving great support for it's existing platforms. Just throwing it out there.

Let's not forget that Zen 3 was originally announced be exclusive to X570 and B550 chipsets and AMD forced manufacturers to stop making Zen3 bios for B350/X350 boards. Some people flashed B450/X470 bios to B350/X370 boards because the great support only came 1.5-2 years later.

AMD Warns Motherboard Makers From Offering Ryzen 5000 Desktop CPU BIOS Support on AM4 X370 Boards

AMD has gone out of its way to prevent motherboard makers from offering Ryzen 5000 Desktop CPU support on AM4 based X370 motherboards

wccftech.com

I hope AMD dont continue this reputation but change to support(the chipset, not the socket) it from the get go.

 

[Fouquin]

the 5800x3d was on sale for as low as $219 last year

Where at? Microcenter? Major parts of the US, and the rest of the world, don't have that luxury. The lowest price we see was $270+tax and shipping.

 

[FeelinFroggy]

For a platform not to be considered dead, they need to release better products than the ones currently in existence. Releasing worse products than the ones currently available doesn't make a platform not dead. It's very dead.

If you think that cheaper products are not better then you are surely mistaken. For many people upgrading to a 57003dx will be a better product than they have at a cheaper price. Because in the real world, no one is going to see the fps difference on a 58003dx and a 57003dx. You will only see a difference in a benchmark. But that 57003dx better be cheaper than the 58003dx.

Sorry, but as long as people are buying the chips, then the platform is alive and well. The 5700x on AM4 will meet the minimum CPU requirements for all games released in the next 5 years and more. That is not a dead platform.

What actually happened is AMD has an over supply of 5xxx chips and they need to dress them up some in order to sell them over the 7xxx processors. By doing this they are extending the life of the AM4 platform.

 

[f22a4bandit]

Didn't think it was possible that more choice for consumers was controversial, but here we are.

 

[SSGBryan]

If you think that cheaper products are not better then you are surely mistaken. For many people upgrading to a 57003dx will be a better product than they have at a cheaper price. Because in the real world, no one is going to see the fps difference on a 58003dx and a 57003dx. You will only see a difference in a benchmark. But that 57003dx better be cheaper than the 5800x.

Sorry, but as long as people are buying the chips, then the platform is alive and well. The 5700x on AM4 will meet the minimum CPU requirements for all games released in the next 5 years and more. That is not a dead platform.

What actually happened is AMD has an over supply of 5xxx chips and they need to dress them up some in order to sell them over the 7xxx processors. By doing this they are extending the life of the AM4 platform.

The 5700x is currently going for $185 on amazon; the 5800x is going for $208. That is a really tight delta.

I'd pay up to $225 for a x3d version of the 5700, IF the power draw is still around 65 watts. If it is more, then I need to add additional cooling, and by that point, I might as well be buying a 5800x3d.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Didn't think it was possible that more choice for consumers was controversial, but here we are.

Right? Very silly. Fanboys will fanboy though..

 

[kapone32]

Yes, it's a bad example cause gpus are not platforms.


Whats the point of a 5950x 3d? You realize the 7950x - or even the 7900x will be faster than the 5950x 3d on pretty much everything, games included? I really don't see the point. It won't even be cheaper than the 7900x is currently.

It is because MBs and RAM cost money.

 

[trsttte]

wNotyarD just exsplained it why. So i will let his comment be my comment as well.

However i will ad this: While Zen 4 3D was not to amusing. 5800X3D was a pretty good performance boost over 5800X. So o would expsect 5950X3D could potentially be the same. Sadly we will properly never know as i dout AMD will ever make this chip officially aviable. Also in some games 5800X3D is just as fast as the zen 4 none 3D cpu´s or even a bit faster. Also some where it´s slower. But just the fact that with a cpu upgrade, you can get zen 4 gaming performance, with out a platform change. Would be sweet. Zen 4 3D is faster yes, but also a much more exspensive upgrade.

I wasn't saying "get the 7950x3d/7900x3d instead", i was saying the multi ccx parts with 3d cache so far have not been that great. The 7950x3d is slightly better than the 7950 but you need to use the stupid xbox game bar and get an aditional layer of complexity for little gain in most scenarios. You basically get a slighly worse 7800x3d for gaming and a slightly worse 7950 for everything else, it's a weird offering in my view and a 5950x3d might be worse because the io die and cache controllers weren't as mature to deal with this type of stuff - probably why it didn't see the light of day

 

[FeelinFroggy]

The 5700x is currently going for $185 on amazon; the 5800x is going for $208. That is a really tight delta.

I'd pay up to $225 for a x3d version of the 5700, IF the power draw is still around 65 watts. If it is more, then I need to add additional cooling, and by that point, I might as well be buying a 5800x3d.

I meant to say 58003dx. My bad. The 57003dx will obviously be cheaper and for anyone that's on AM4 and not rocking a 58003dx, it will probably be a good upgrade for a gamer.

I bought a 5700x for my son this summer when his rig died. I'm curious about the price cause I just might throw the 57003dx in there. I expect the price to be around $250, but it could be $225.

I have no clue about the TDP, but the 58003dx is not the hottest chip, so the cooling may not be too difficult.

 

[kapone32]

I wasn't saying "get the 7950x3d/7900x3d instead", i was saying the multi ccx parts with 3d cache so far have not been that great. The 7950x3d is slightly better than the 7950 but you need to use the stupid xbox game bar and get an aditional layer of complexity for little gain in most scenarios. You basically get a slighly worse 7800x3d for gaming and a slightly worse 7950 for everything else, it's a weird offering in my view and a 5950x3d might be worse because the io die and cache controllers weren't as mature to deal with this type of stuff - probably why it didn't see the light of day

That is your feelings. I have a 7900X3D and love it. You know those single core Games that don't support Vcache? Well the other CCX is happy to play those at 5.7 GHz. I don't know about the 7950X3D but the 7900X3D is (For me) the most powerful 12 Core Gaming based CPU ever made.

 

[Arkz]

Yeah ill upgrade my 5800x 3d to a 5500x 3d cause the platform ain't dead. Gotcha

You go do that, meanwhile someone will upgrade from a 2700x/3700x to one of these.

It may not be dead but a EOL platform cannot be considered alive either. As AMD fanbois love to preach, every intel socket is DED because you cant fit 8 generations of CPU into it. AM4 is EOL, these chips are not new either, they're re binned versions of silicon that already exists.

Would be a lot nicer to see cheaper x3d parts and cheaper sub $200 6 core parts on am5 already.

I'd say it's EOL when they stop manufacturing new parts for it, which they haven't.

 

[mechtech]

I'm not sure how I feel about that. The 5600X3D doesn't seem to have sold like I first thought they would so I wonder if there really is any kind of market for a slightly faster model at 5700X3D or a slightly slower 5500X3D.

Speaking of the 5600X3D, it is down to $199 at MicroCenter now. Puts their combo RAM/MB/CPU price at $269. Heck of a deal for a nice entry level gaming system.

I didn't even realize there was a 5600x3d........................then again I'm not in the market so not looking.

 

[faye]

I didn't even realize there was a 5600x3d........................then again I'm not in the market so not looking.

It was/is a special limited release, MicroCenter in store only. So yeah, not that well known, or accessible to a lot of people.