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A friend was forced to change a mediocre 750W PSU a few years ago for a Seasonic 850W gold rated to stop having stability problems when runnning a reference Vega56 at stock votlages and clocks. So, the PSU quality is critical when running relatively high energy consumption (>200W) components. V or A instability is causing problems to electronics.
 
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Didn't GN cover this in their transients video, the thing that SFX PSU's sometimes have to make compromises in terms of circutry due to size constraints and that's why often people that report black screen issues were running some sort of SFF build?

Good point, I need to go back and rewatch it. Though, it's not BSOD/black screen/shutdowns or anything GN described as symptoms in their video though. It's just driver crashing and shitty performance - and so far the drivers don't look like they're even capable of "soft" crashing at all.

GN came to that conclusion based on the NZXT's bundled mystery meat Gold SFX in the H1.........couldn't find much on it because "C750" keeps coming back to the retail ATX unit.

But the SF750 is what, the undisputed king of SFX (unless CM's upcoming 1000/1300W can dethrone)? It's not just any old SFX PSU. I'd have to check but I really don't remember SF600 or SF750 lacking in capacitance pretty much anywhere (maybe bulk cap). SF750 has always been the staple of SFF and so many people have powered just about all RTX 30 series and RX6000 GPUs with it, problem-free; those 3080s and 6900XTs are seriously no joke for transients.

That's one theory - the other theory is the DP cable. But that also doesn't really make sense, unless the GPU outputs are simply sensitive to any cheap cable on any port. I already have a VESA certified 1.4 cable on my M32Q, it's only the S2721DGF to the side that had an old 1.2 cable.

And the Dell has always been running at 60Hz only, barely any bandwidth requirements.
And before the new PSU, changing over to an HDMI 2.0 cable didn't change anything either.
And it wasn't any more stable/better with the Dell completely unplugged, single monitor only.

I'll look if it makes any difference but I can't see how the junction temp can ever realistically get below 40C, considering that it's about 5-7C over the GPU temp, so for the junction to be below 40C I'd need like 35-33C GPU temp, my water cooled 1080 barely ran that cold at idle though the temperatures aren't necessarily comparable.

Junction will vary with sample so I guess if you have high ambient and a bigger delta you're probably just out of luck. At idle I have a 4C delta, at 300W it's about 12-13C. My ambient is about 20-23C though.

It doesn't have to stay that cool all the time, just long enough under active cooling to trigger fan stop. Then I'm actively doing work on the computer it'll slowly warm itself back up to about 50 edge/54 junction while the fans are off, at which point they come back on and the cycle starts again.

So if you can't get to that trigger point, they won't stop. Makes sense on startup, computer barely has any heat in it.
 
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That's one theory - the other theory is the DP cable. But that also doesn't really make sense, unless the GPU outputs are simply sensitive to any cheap cable on any port.

Just spitballing here.
 
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Well I was running heaven for 30mins, the boost clock was struggling to hit the target boost clock i've assigned, it was running around 2690-2740mhz average with 0% power limit. Increased the power limit to 5% and it was able to reach the 2760mhz target so i'll see how it goes in the games. The temps are roughly the same so hopefully it's all good.
 

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Well I was running heaven for 30mins, the boost clock was struggling to hit the target boost clock i've assigned, it was running around 2690-2740mhz average with 0% power limit. Increased the power limit to 5% and it was able to reach the 2760mhz target so i'll see how it goes in the games. The temps are roughly the same so hopefully it's all good.

Didn't touch the target clock from default. 99% sure it's just an abstract number, and that messing with it just makes things worse, and that voltage should be your main slider of concern. Game clocks vary so wildly by design it's not useful to assign an arbitrary "boost" clock. All I know is that there was a clear uplift in performance and clock when undervolting in both Timespy and games, even through the fluctuations.

Mine was 2870 by default and with power limit at +0 it hits 2870 every so often in MW2, even when not maxing out power. With -50mV.

I've never used heaven, it was honestly a shit-tier stability test for Turing/Ampere undervolting so I don't doubt for a second that it's just as useless for RDNA. Don't know why Youtubers keep coming back to it. Usually just 3DMark if I need numbers, and play demanding games for long-term stability.
 
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Didn't touch the target clock from default. 99% sure it's just an abstract number, and that messing with it just makes things worse, and that voltage should be your main slider of concern. Game clocks vary so wildly by design it's not useful to assign an arbitrary "boost" clock. All I know is that there was a clear uplift in performance and clock when undervolting in both Timespy and games, even through the fluctuations.

Mine was 2870 by default and with power limit at +0 it hits 2870 every so often in MW2, even when not maxing out power. With -50mV.

I've never used heaven, it was honestly a shit-tier stability test for Turing/Ampere undervolting so I don't doubt for a second that it's just as useless for RDNA. Don't know why Youtubers keep coming back to it. Usually just 3DMark if I need numbers, and play demanding games for long-term stability.
Only reason i've put an abstract number in the boost clock as I believe that number can change whenever it wants. I have seen it at 2800mhz or higher like how yours is hitting those target.
Only reason i've done it is to maybe try and keep the temps in check I guess, the fact the GPU is boosting 300-400+mhz more than the "spec" boost clock of 2400mhz is a bit misleading.
I can certainly try and leave the boost clock alone and mess with just the voltage and see what type of results I can get, just need to find the time first.
Just like on the 3080, the specification on the Palit gamingpro I had by default is 1740mhz, but it will happily boost to like 1920mhz.
 

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Just spitballing here.

tis why I went down to the store to buy a Club3D 1.4 cable :D I figured if they left the GPU business that many years ago and still are in business making cables then their cables must be damn good lol

It's insane how many terrible ripoff mystery China brand cables are on Amazon
 

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tis why I went down to the store to buy a Club3D 1.4 cable :D I figured if they left the GPU business that many years ago and still are in business making cables then their cables must be damn good lol

It's insane how many terrible ripoff mystery China brand cables are on Amazon

if it is not shipped and sold by Amazon - I don't buy it. Amazon is a waste land of scams. I actually don't even buy much from Amazon these days. Also, when my fiance in England needed a monitor for work, I convinced her to buy it from box.co.uk instead of Amazon, she was very happy with the overall experience.
 
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if it is not shipped and sold by Amazon - I don't buy it. Amazon is a waste land of scams. I actually don't even buy much from Amazon these days. Also, when my fiance in England needed a monitor for work, I convinced her to buy it from box.co.uk instead of Amazon, she was very happy with the overall experience.

Aside from Club3D, I have some HDMI and certified DP from Cable Matters and they seem pretty decent, listed on the displayport website too. But that's about it for Amazon; normally AmazonBasics is pretty reliable but they don't have a certified DP1.4.

But since a lot of newer monitors include cables I'll just use their supplied ones.

Unfortunately I am 0 for 2 on this one, the DP cables from Dell and Gigabyte suck big time and both created major problems for me even for 3070 Ti and Vega 8.

Stock cables really aren't a guarantee of quality, I think a lot of redditors found out the hard way back when everyone was still speculating that DP cable quality was related to the XTX hotspot problem

Startech is great
 
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Aside from Club3D, I have some HDMI and certified DP from Cable Matters and they seem pretty decent, listed on the displayport website too. But that's about it for Amazon; normally AmazonBasics is pretty reliable but they don't have a certified DP1.4.



Unfortunately I am 0 for 2 on this one, the DP cables from Dell and Gigabyte suck big time and both created major problems for me even for 3070 Ti and Vega 8.

Stock cables really aren't a guarantee of quality, I think a lot of redditors found out the hard way back when everyone was still speculating that DP cable quality was related to the XTX hotspot problem

Startech is great
I've not had any problems with the supplied cables so far, only time I may get a 3rd party one is if I needed a longer cable.
The ones from Samsung, Iiyama and even AOC i've not had problems so far.
 
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Just spitballing here.
This is really quite informative! Learnt a few things, good or bad, I can't say....but, I'm looking at my DP cables with some suspicions. Other than the Club3D one I have that is.
 
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been playing the Fallout 76, i put it on ultra as it should do and im running it at 4k, without changing anything i get a massive 39fps average.
im using a AMD™ Ryzen 3800XT and a AMD™ Sapphire™ 7900XTX Nitro<.
i feel blown away by this performance.
anyone else an amazing performance too?
 

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been playing the Fallout 76, i put it on ultra as it should do and im running it at 4k, without changing anything i get a massive 39fps average.
im using a AMD™ Ryzen 3800XT and a AMD™ Sapphire™ 7900XTX Nitro<.
i feel blown away by this performance.
anyone else an amazing performance too?

sounds about right that a Keynesian thinks 39 fps is mind blowing


did you get that Nitro at MSRP? that's my dream card. but scammers/scalpers are selling it only at the moment. useless twats the lot of them are
 
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been playing the Fallout 76, i put it on ultra as it should do and im running it at 4k, without changing anything i get a massive 39fps average.
im using a AMD™ Ryzen 3800XT and a AMD™ Sapphire™ 7900XTX Nitro<.
The Creation Engine on which Fallout runs depends strongly on the ST performance of the CPU. I believe your Zen 2 may be the limiting factor here.
 

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been playing the Fallout 76, i put it on ultra as it should do and im running it at 4k, without changing anything i get a massive 39fps average.
im using a AMD™ Ryzen 3800XT and a AMD™ Sapphire™ 7900XTX Nitro<.
i feel blown away by this performance.
anyone else an amazing performance too?

COD performance is nuts. Espcially with built in benchmark running the 1440p settings that HWUB tested with

3070Ti: 124fps
7900XT: 264fps
7900XT undervolt: 305fps

I only wish other games were also so Radeon biased/optimized for RDNA3.

mw2 7900xt undervolt benchmark 305fps.png
 
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Will soon be joining the club with an Asrock MBA 7900XTX. Managed to snag one from the sole e-tailer before they sold out in half an hour. Wish me luck with the vapor chamber :laugh:
 
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got the Alphacool water block too.
been playing CNC generals on DX8, nearly the same fps.
cant beat 2003 performance in 2023.
 
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So last week I've got the MBA 7900XTX from Gigabyte. No hot spot issues, on stock it reaches around 85 degrees, really like the look of it. However, the coil whine is loud, like I don't usually mind some coil whine but this one as soon as I reach around 90fps it's more audible than the fans.
Also as soon as I change the PL to +15% it reaches over 100 degrees on hotspot, when at +10 it hovers around 97, with our without UV, so no room for any OC.

That brings me to my question, I can return it and get the Gigabyte 7900 XTX Gaming OC version at the same price as reference, but there are basically no reviews of that model, so I'm wondering if it's better than the MBA one, considering the cooler isn't very large.
I saw that @Jaffakeik has one. How is the hotspot temp on it and the power draw? Did you try to UV/OC it? Any coil whine? Any details would be great!
 

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That brings me to my question, I can return it and get the Gigabyte 7900 XTX Gaming OC version at the same price as reference, but there are basically no reviews of that model, so I'm wondering if it's better than the MBA one, considering the cooler isn't very large.

Gaming OC is 330mm long, MBA XTX is 287mm. Quite the difference, even if it's not wider or taller. Flow-through section isn't very large but at least it has one. 9(?) heatpipes plus vapor chamber, plus a baseplate for VRAM..............obviously a real review would be nice but not seeing any red flags here. MBA does well at stock but OC that the AIBs can do is just asking a bit too much of a single vapor chamber with fins attached to it - not a very high hurdle to beat for any AIB card.
 
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Gaming OC is 330mm long, MBA XTX is 287mm. Quite the difference, even if it's not wider or taller. Flow-through section isn't very large but at least it has one. 9(?) heatpipes plus vapor chamber, plus a baseplate for VRAM..............obviously a real review would be nice but not seeing any red flags here. MBA does well at stock but OC that the AIBs can do is just asking a bit too much of a single vapor chamber with fins attached to it - not a very high hurdle to beat for any AIB card.

Yeah any OC and the temps go really high. I could even live with that and run it on stock, performance gain from OC isn't huge, but the coil whine... I mean I had 3080FE before that and it also whined quite loud, but this one even beats that.
A shame because the build quality and the looks of MBA is reallly nice, all metal and feels sturdy. The design looks awesome, but if for the same price I can get better performance I think I will go for it.
 
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Yeah any OC and the temps go really high. I could even live with that and run it on stock, performance gain from OC isn't huge, but the coil whine... I mean I had 3080FE before that and it also whined quite loud, but this one even beats that.
A shame because the build quality and the looks of MBA is reallly nice, all metal and feels sturdy. The design looks awesome, but if for the same price I can get better performance I think I will go for it.
Put it this way, IF I were in your position, I'd go for the Gaming OC even IF I were required to top up 100 smackers. That card looks good, and it's almost a certainty the cooler would do a better job than the MBA model.
 
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Put it this way, IF I were in your position, I'd go for the Gaming OC even IF I were required to top up 100 smackers. That card looks good, and it's almost a certainty the cooler would do a better job than the MBA model.

Yeah, will go for it. It will arrive to the store later today, after installing it will be back to leave some feedback :)
 
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