AMD Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz with Vega 11 Graphics

[chaosmassive]

now all AMD need to do are increase GPU IPC/Cores to the level console grade performance and we are golden !

 

[nem..]

 

[wauc4uluq]

How it is possible that Kraken is 23% faster with OC when base CPU frequency is about 11% higher
OC 725 ms
non-OC 889 ms

Octane +12%
OC 39122
non-OC 34888

 

[HD64G]

MCM with Vega will come from both AMD and Intel sides with added cost and performance for those who need discrete lvl of gaming @1080P and higher than medium settings. For the rest who need an upgrade from 5850, 6850 or so and are on a budget, those new Ryzen APUs are THE bargain imho. Any iGPU that reach RX550 is at least decent guys. Especially priced that low for what it offers...

 

[Patriot]

With the G4560 being so close to the 2400G at 1080 gaming when combined with a GTX 1080 (or slower), I'm not so sure I'd pick the 2400G for gaming alone.
The AM4 platform cost twice as much as the 1151 here in sweden. Kaby Lake and DDR3 may be almost dead, but what if you're on a tight budget?

AMD Ryzen 5 2400G + 2 x 4 GB DDR4 RAM + µATX board= 289 USD (plus taxes)

Intel Pentium G4560 + 2 x 4 GB DDR3 RAM + µATX board + GTX 1050 TI 4 GB = 318 USD (plus taxes)

g4560 is $80 here, 1050ti is 215, if the prices stateside were the same I would understand... for the cost difference a 1050ti would give a better gaming solution.
DDR4 will eventually come down in price, keep in mind the older chips are hurt worst by the meltdown patches, that said those patches dont hurt many games in performance.

@W1zzard Question on the power draw, you have gaming power draw, is that igp or with the gtx1080?

 

[_JP_]

Neat little bugger!!
The high speed RAM seems like a downer, but overall value extracted from an ITX setup with this chip is still very high, especially with the small footprint one can achieve!

 

[jabbadap]

Quite good HTPC APU, well done AMD

Though I would love to see deepdive home theater test for this one, like anandtech used to do in past.

Nice review.
Any infos about the temps as AMD is now using thermal paste under the IHS?

Good question. Wonder how good is that TIM AMD uses. The Stilt says on anandtech that temps will drop 12°C by replacing that paste with liquid ultra, so probably not very good.

Spoiler: The Stilt

EDIT 02/12/2017: Regarding the results when delidded, I reassembled the delidded 2400G using Liquid Ultra on both of the surfaces (die and the HS "hump"). The temperatures dropped by 12°C (at 4.0GHz / 1.375V) during Prime95 compared to the stock situation. On the same exact cooler and at the same exact settings. The ambient was most likely 1-2°C higher than it was during the previous test too.

However, despite the lower temperatures there was no improvement in Fmax. 4.0GHz / 1.375V is still the highest stable frequency.

Spoiler: Do'h. My bad reading error

There are a whole lot of people gaming on whatever they can get cheap. Even Intel iGPUs.

Fine on the GPU side as well. 2400G matches a GT 1030 which matches a GTX 560: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GT-1030-vs-Nvidia-GTX-560/m283726vs3155

Uhm was that sarcasm or what? RX 560s performance is usually equal to gtx1050 or in amd favoring titles heels of gtx1050ti.

 

[dicktracy]

You're better off saving a little bit more and buy a discrete graphics card.

 

[CheapMeat]

It seems I'll never get APUs. Why bother beefing up the IGP if it still can't play games?

What? Are "games" only considered "games" when they're ONLY the latest AAA 4K ULTRA multi-million dollar title? Come on. Do you ever look at the thousands of other titles on Steam? Or are you blind to them? There's so many games, new ones from 2017 & now 2018 even, that users can play. I have 105 games on my Steam and have 537 on my wishlist. Hell I'm still playing Cities: Skyline, Rebel Galaxy & War Thunder lately at 60fps+ and decent graphics 1080p with a GTX 650 Ti. This APU with Ryzen combo beats my rig. I don't get G@M3R elitists.

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

It's a good little APU for what it is, but I can't help be a tad underwhelmed by the CPU side of things as a pure CPU (I know its big selling point is the iGPU but hear me out..) I was expecting a little bump in IPC from improved cache and memory latency and/or core tweaks but I guess that was silly of me come to think of it since this is largely 1st gen Zen not Zen+. Aside from that, it's a neat little chip and I will probably get one at some point to throw in the Antec ISK 110 i have laying about for a cool little HTPC

 

[hat]

With the G4560 being so close to the 2400G at 1080 gaming when combined with a GTX 1080 (or slower), I'm not so sure I'd pick the 2400G for gaming alone.
The AM4 platform cost twice as much as the 1151 here in sweden. Kaby Lake and DDR3 may be almost dead, but what if you're on a tight budget?

AMD Ryzen 5 2400G + 2 x 4 GB DDR4 RAM + µATX board= 289 USD (plus taxes)

Intel Pentium G4560 + 2 x 4 GB DDR3 RAM + µATX board + GTX 1050 TI 4 GB = 318 USD (plus taxes)

It's a wash. That g4560 is way weaker and can't even be overclocked. At least the Ryzen system has room to grow; it can be overclocked and you can always drop a decent GPU in it later. I wonder if that hybrid xfire is still a thing, where you can use the IGP and a discrete GPU together?

 

[OneMoar]

Hohum 30FPS at 1080p is meh in my book
the l3 cache cut is to much of a trade off for a relatively weak cpu if anything they should have added more to address some of the ryzen's cores weaknesses

when gpu prices get back to normal there will be no market for this
here we go again with the apus a good idea on paper with terrible to middling execution
a i3 and a 1050 walk all over this even the1030 a card not even marketed for gaming kicks its ass

 

[R0H1T]

Hohum 30FPS at 1080p is meh in my book
the l3 cache cut is to much of a trade off for a relatively weak cpu if anything they should have added more to address some of the ryzen's cores weaknesses

when gpu prices get back to normal there will be no market for this
here we go again with the apus a good idea on paper with terrible to middling execution
a i3 and a 1050 walk all over this even the1030 a card not even marketed for gaming kicks its ass

They're also like a $100~200 more depending on the mobo of your choice & 1050/1030 prices.

 

[darkangel0504]

Conclusion: Plays anything at 720p 30 FPS (lowest settings) ??? I thought it was 1080p

 

[rruff]

a i3 and a 1050 walk all over this even the1030 a card not even marketed for gaming kicks its ass

It scored equal to the 1030. No ass kicking. That is a $80 card. And the CPU side is way better than a i3. IMO that is a fantastic result for a APU, which does after all need to satisfy cheap department store builds. It's 2-3 times faster at gaming vs Intels offerings.

I don't know what you expect. Common sense should tell you that a APU isn't going to perform as well as a good discrete card.

 

[plåtburken]

This APU is fine as it is, it serves a purpose but what is not okay is current RAM prices, it's insane.

 

[Pixrazor]

come on... We need some more in depth overclocking of the igpu. I've seen other reviewers hitting 1500 1600 and even 1700mhz

 

[plåtburken]

come on... We need some more in depth overclocking of the igpu. I've seen other reviewers hitting 1500 1600 and even 1700mhz

I was following an asian streamer who managed to pull 1850MHz on the iGPU but doubt it was stable. Because the stream(aka the screen) was flickering a lot. Could have been a driver issue too but yeah.

 

[SL2]

It's a wash. That g4560 is way weaker and can't even be overclocked. At least the Ryzen system has room to grow; it can be overclocked and you can always drop a decent GPU in it later.

I used gaming on a budget as a scenario. Of course the 2400G is better overall, but it will cost you more. Just like the 1700X.

I was just trying to point out that if you want gaming on a budget now, the 2400G may not be the best alternative.

The 4560G can't be overclocked, but don't call it a wash when it runs that well with a GTX 1080 (check the benchmarks).

 

[bug]

What? Are "games" only considered "games" when they're ONLY the latest AAA 4K ULTRA multi-million dollar title? Come on. Do you ever look at the thousands of other titles on Steam? Or are you blind to them? There's so many games, new ones from 2017 & now 2018 even, that users can play. I have 105 games on my Steam and have 537 on my wishlist. Hell I'm still playing Cities: Skyline, Rebel Galaxy & War Thunder lately at 60fps+ and decent graphics 1080p with a GTX 650 Ti. This APU with Ryzen combo beats my rig. I don't get G@M3R elitists.

Get what you want, I have yet to come upon a single person looking to play games at low settings.
When someone buys a PC they either don't care about gaming at all, or they want decent performance at FHD. And by "decent" I mean playable with setting set to medium or higher.

Sure you and I still appreciate an older title. But when someone that's new to gaming gets a new system, do you think they'll start chasing oldies, but goldies? No sir, they're going to install the latest FIFA, Battlefield or GTA. And don't get me wrong, I have built PCs without a dGPU. It's just that, if it's able to render your desktop, any IGP will do imho. When an IGP will be able to meet the "decent" threshold above, then I may start taking them more seriously. But until then, they're interchangeable to me.

As a side note, there was a time reviews were looking at video more. Performance using various codecs, handling of interlacing, IQ. ATI used to have a lead there and that could be a legitimate differentiator among IGPs. But nowadays nobody bothers anymore. Just like you can't find a smartphone review that looks at the signal reception.

 

[laszlo]

good products for companies who use not so demanding graphic app. also

i wouldn't buy it for gaming under any circumstances

 

[ShurikN]

even the1030 a card not even marketed for gaming kicks its ass

1. Did you even bother to read the review, the 1030 and Vega11 are on par.
2. Never saw a single mention of Raven Ridge being marketed for gaming.

 

[bug]

1. Did you even bother to read the review, the 1030 and Vega11 are on par.
2. Never saw a single mention of Raven Ridge being marketed for gaming.

https://www.amd.com/en/partner/amd-ryzen-with-radeon-vega

enabling responsive, smooth gaming at full HD 1080p, in eSports and beyond

 

[ShurikN]

https://www.amd.com/en/partner/amd-ryzen-with-radeon-vega

Grasping at straws as usual. The chip itself is not marketed (or for better use of words, sold) as a gaming product, it is marketed as something that you can game on among other things. You can "game" on a 4 year old Atom, that doesn't make it a gaming cpu.

 

[bug]

Grasping at straws as usual. The chip itself is not marketed (or for better use of words, sold) as a gaming product, it is marketed as something that you can game on among other things. You can "game" on a 4 year old Atom, that doesn't make it a gaming cpu.

Yes, that's exactly what a casual buyer will get from that page.