AMD Ryzen 5 7600X

[W1zzard]

I want a 420mm AIO Arctic cooler on the 7600x and max PBO it

that's exactly what I did in this review, numbers are included.

 

[FreezingPC]

@W1zzard will there be a memory comparaison at some point ?
NGL, the 6000MHz+ memory kits are at spicy prices with 5400MHz-5600MHz being the most """""reasonable"""""

 

[W1zzard]

will there be a memory comparaison at some point ?

yes

 

[RandallFlagg]

Technically, he is correct.
But that distinction is irrelevant in this thread: a hotter CPU (higher temperature) will dissipate more heat in the environment, than a cooler (lower temperature) one.

That's not what he's really saying. An analogy is in order.

I can heat up a pin to very high temps perhaps > 100C over ambient with just 5W, but it will have negligible effect on my environments temp because the pin is so small.

However if I take an aluminum baseball bat and apply 5W to it, it might maybe heat up 0.1C if that, because it is 1000x larger. The effect on my environment would be the same as applying 5W to the pin though, because all 5W goes out into the environment in the form of heat.

The same thing is happening here, Zen 4 is smaller so it heats up quicker with a smaller amount of power. I'm sure some cooler manufacturers are already working on better methods of getting that heat out of the small die / package area.

 

[lightning70]

Less than 12600k is incredible . and the cost of DDR5 was costly.

 

[bug]

I want a 420mm AIO Arctic cooler on the 7600x and max PBO it. i bet it would do pretty good. although with a 420mm AIO, i might as well go 7700x or 7900x.

AIO for a mid-range chip sound like a terrible idea. Maybe undervolt or downclock a little, it's worked wonders before.

 

[TheUn4seen]

Apparently, those things will try to hit their target temperature of "almost boiling water" and adjust frequency to keep themselves there. Thank you but no, thank you.
Either way, I'm not interested - platform cost is way too high and all that, but I have to say the new CPUs are kind of underwhelming for all the hype. I'd rather wait until Raptor Lake comes to market and get a 12600 during the inevitable sale of "previous-gen" chips.

 

[bug]

That's not what he's really saying. An analogy is in order.

I can heat up a pin to very high temps perhaps > 100C over ambient with just 5W, but it will have negligible effect on my environments temp because the pin is so small.

However if I take an aluminum baseball bat and apply 5W to it, it might maybe heat up 0.1C if that, because it is 1000x larger. The effect on my environment would be the same as applying 5W to the pin though, because all 5W goes out into the environment in the form of heat.

The same thing is happening here, Zen 4 is smaller so it heats up quicker with a smaller amount of power. I'm sure some cooler manufacturers are already working on better methods of getting that heat out of the small die / package area.

But is Zen4 smaller than Zen3? The CCD is a little smaller (70 vs 80-something sq mm), but at the same time the IO die moved from 12 to 6nm. So the overall size is probably the same.

 

[TheDeeGee]

105 watt to get beaten by the 65 watt 12400f in 50% of the games at 1440p, that's not good at all.

 

[usiname]

But is Zen4 smaller than Zen3? The CCD is a little smaller (70 vs 80-something sq mm), but at the same time the IO die moved from 12 to 6nm. So the overall size is probably the same.

The high temperature is caused from the thick lid, which was required for compatibility of coolers of AM4 to AM5 socket

 

[HD64G]

Great review as usual by @W1zzard ! May I ask for a gaming test between the best CPUs from AMD and Intel using the 6950XT@1080P. I have a suspicion that the results will be different to the ones you got with RTX3080.

 

[Vario]

A 6-core CPU matching the average in app performance of 5900X is a small miracle imho. Platform cost will get lower in 2-3 months with B650 and the longegivity of AM5 will be the biggest advantage. Also, clocks are getting higher than advertised once cooling is enough.

The i5 12600 already was though.

 

[HD64G]

The i5 12600 already was though.

Not a 6-core CPU though and it used more W...

 

[Vario]

Not a 6-core CPU though and it used more W...

12600 is a 6 core. 12600K is a 6+4 core. It costs $230. https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i5-12600-3-30-Processor/dp/B09MSLG944, and it uses fewer watts.

 

[Juventas]

These new power and temperature charts don't make sense to me. If these are the same cooler, how is the Ryzen producing more heat energy using less electrical energy? It seems to defy the first law of thermodynamics.

	CPU Temperature - Gaming	Power Consumption - Gaming
Ryzen 5 7600X (stock)	70 C	45 W
Core i5-12600	55 C	50 W

 

[Vario]

These new power and temperature charts don't make sense to me. If these are the same cooler, how is the Ryzen producing more heat energy using less electrical energy? It seems to defy the first law of thermodynamics.

	CPU Temperature - Gaming	Power Consumption - Gaming
Ryzen 5 7600X (stock)	70 C	45 W
Core i5-12600	55 C	50 W

Less efficient thermal conduction interface or cooler mounting difference, die size, lid size, die to lid interface, lots of things can account for it.

 

[jinxjx]

Why they always use Ngreedia cards and never AMD cards on these reviews ????

 

[usiname]

These new power and temperature charts don't make sense to me. If these are the same cooler, how is the Ryzen producing more heat energy using less electrical energy? It seems to defy the first law of thermodynamics.

	CPU Temperature - Gaming	Power Consumption - Gaming
Ryzen 5 7600X (stock)	70 C	45 W
Core i5-12600	55 C	50 W

Less die are, and don't include the IO die, the cores generate the most of the heat and that is why the temperature is so high

 

[tussinman]

Why they always use Ngreedia cards and never AMD cards on these reviews ????

From 2016-2020 they really didn't have a choice since AMD didn't really have a proper alternative to the 1080 and the 2080ti at launch (techpowerup 2016 setup using a Fury X for the next 2 years and techpowerup 2018 setup using a vega 64 for the next 2 years would have literally made no sense).

They had a chance in 2021 to do a 6800XT over a 3080 but i'm assuming they did the 3080 instead since it's slightly faster, more popular, and it wasn't proceeding a generation that had shaky driver issues (RX 5000 series).

Tell AMD to make better cards with better launch dates if you actually want techpowerup to use them (i'm not trying to be a smark aleck i'm just speaking the truth, the truth is techpowerup has to go back and literally test the cards on every single CPU so there not going to wait around for AMD to release cards late with a high chance of them not even being faster)

 

[KV2DERP]

Idk, I don't feel really excited about this unlike me who get excited when hearing Zen 2 release.

Guess I'll stick with my 3600 then.

 

[ZetZet]

These new power and temperature charts don't make sense to me. If these are the same cooler, how is the Ryzen producing more heat energy using less electrical energy? It seems to defy the first law of thermodynamics.

	CPU Temperature - Gaming	Power Consumption - Gaming
Ryzen 5 7600X (stock)	70 C	45 W
Core i5-12600	55 C	50 W

It's not. Ryzen just has less die area, so it reaches higher temperatures while using less energy. The amount of heat is also lower, it just gets rid of it worse.

 

[Chrispy_]

The 7600X is currently looking pretty pointless until cheaper boards and DDR5 are available.

For the additional $250 platform cost that you'll have to pay for a 7600X over a 12400F or 5600X, you're better off just throwing that at a faster graphics card.

If you are after productivity, a 5900X can be had on the cheaper B550/DDR4 platform for the same money, and at twice the core count, there's no way the 7600X can hope to match it. The Zen4 clock and IPC improvements are generationally impressive, but they're not twice as fast as Zen3

 

[ZetZet]

The 7600X is currently looking pretty pointless until cheaper boards and DDR5 are available.

For the additional $250 platform cost that you'll have to pay for a 7600X over a 12400F or 5600X, you're better off just throwing that at a faster graphics card.

If you are after productivity, a 5900X can be had on the cheaper B550/DDR4 platform for the same money, and at twice the core count, there's no way the 7600X can hope to match it. The Zen4 clock and IPC improvements are generationally impressive, but they're not twice as fast as Zen3

Another option is stepping up all the way to 12700(F) non-K. Similar platform price, way more cores, similar gaming performance.

I personally will wait till 13600K reviews and see if it's worth waiting for non-K Raptor lake. (or maybe even get the 13600K, if Intel doesn't bump the pricing up a lot)

 

[HD64G]

12600 is a 6 core. 12600K is a 6+4 core. It costs $230. https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i5-12600-3-30-Processor/dp/B09MSLG944, and it uses fewer watts.

My bad for thinking of 12600K but your bad thinking of it matching 5900X in app performance and not needing MUCH more than 100W in full load...

As for gaming performance even vs the 12600K...

 

[docnorth]

It's not competing with the 12600k though. wait for the 13600k

Even worse I’m afraid (depending on price of course).