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AMD Ryzen 8000 "Granite Ridge" Zen 5 Processor to Max Out at 16 Cores

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Ryzen 7000 delid reduce the temp around 2x*c and amd being an bad boy for making cpu consume power so little yet so damn hot.....
That's to be expected as you go down in nanometres and chip sizes.
 
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That would be (by definition) monolithic. With 16c CCD they could have 32c/64t Ryzen 9 models but i doubt that happens before Zen6.
And using only one chiplet say in 8600X would mean that a lot would go to waste. 10 out of 16 cores would need to be defective or fused off.

At the high end say 8950X it would be cheaper with one 16c chiplet but at the lower end it would make things more expensive.


How about a 10-12 core CCD.

So we can get more than 8 cores on a single CCD/ring.

No need for 16, but 10-12

While almost no games benefit from more than 8 cores in normal situations, there are some games with Ray Tracing on high in certain areas with high enough FPS like Toms Diner of Cyber Punk at more than 110 or so FPS that benefit slightly from more than 8, so more than 8 on a single CCD may be useful in future.
 
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The Hype machine started already?

I wonder if there are still people falling for AMDs failed chiplet architecture.
I mean okay i get it that media pushes them hard but after lagfest to lagfest cpu release you would think that people would see through the lies.

Ryzen 5 first predictions: 1 minute pauses during gameplay so the huge L3 caches start to fill
Ground Breaking DDR5 7000 support when DDR5 12000 becomes mainstream
PCIE GEN 5 support and reverse company stance (again) saying that competitions GEN 6 is useless
"Slower by design because eco"
Outrageous prices because "people will support the alternative"
30 minutes boot time
You're literally talking out of your ass. Media pushes them hard? They're actual reviewers with far more knowledge than you'll ever have. Are you userbenchmark?
 
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I don't know why some still keep pushing BS for ZEN 5 in Q1 2024? We'll be lucky as AMD is on schedule to release the first 1-2 models that will lead the consumer class in November or even as late, in December 2024. A real massive presence of CPUs with ZEN 5 architecture I don't expect until after 12 -14 months. So, at the end of 2024, a very small fraction of TSMC's 3Nx capacity will probably be enough for them.
Q1 2024 is perfectly viable for Zen5 as it will use 4nm. Q4 2024 is not true either because new models will come out 12-18 months after the last one and since Zen4 came out in Q3 2022 then even adding 18 months to that results in Q2 2024 for Zen5 release - worst case. Like i said 3nm based Zen5c will release later in 2024 or even 2025 when there is enough 3nm supply leftover from Apple.
 
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Q1 2024 is perfectly viable for Zen5 as it will use 4nm. Q4 2024 is not true either because new models will come out 12-18 months after the last one and since Zen4 came out in Q3 2022 then even adding 18 months to that results in Q2 2024 for Zen5 release - worst case. Like i said 3nm based Zen5c will release later in 2024 or even 2025 when there is enough 3nm supply leftover from Apple.
You seem to have forgotten that AMD already runs on a full two year cycle between major generations. Just add two years after Ryzen 7000's market launch. You might not have noticed it happened. Man cannot keep track and remember everything, especially when the environment has suffered a pandemic, there are many wars, and even now we are still in an abnormal economic situation.
 
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You seem to have forgotten that AMD already runs on a full two year cycle between major generations. Just add two years after Ryzen 7000's market launch. You might not have noticed it happened. Man cannot keep track and remember everything, especially when the environment has suffered a pandemic, there are many wars, and even now we are still in an abnormal economic situation.
This opinion is based on what? No Ryzen line has thus far released more 22 months after the other. And even if one did this cannot be applied to all future generations.
From and including: Thursday, 8 October 2020
To and including: Monday, 29 August 2022
Result: 691 days
It is 691 days from the start date to the end date, end date included.
Or 1 year, 10 months, 22 days including the end date.
Or 22 months, 22 days including the end date.
This gap is thus far the biggest between generations at 22 months and 22 days. But like i said previous gaps are not indications that future generations will come out as late or later. And Zen4 was a big change with new socket, new chipsets, new RAM standard, new IO die and chiplets made on newer processes. A lot of work went into this.

Zen5 is comparatively smaller change as it uses the same socket, possibly no new chipsets, same RAM and only sightly updated IO die with the chiplet receiving the most changes on the architectural level. Also moving from 5nm to 4nm is relatively easy because AMD already has monolithic 4nm chips based on Zen4.
 
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This opinion is based on what? No Ryzen line has thus far released more 22 months after the other. And even if one did this cannot be applied to all future generations.


This gap is thus far the biggest between generations at 22 months and 22 days. But like i said previous gaps are not indications that future generations will come out as late or later. And Zen4 was a big change with new socket, new chipsets, new RAM standard, new IO die and chiplets made on newer processes. A lot of work went into this.

Zen5 is comparatively smaller change as it uses the same socket, possibly no new chipsets, same RAM and only sightly updated IO die with the chiplet receiving the most changes on the architectural level. Also moving from 5nm to 4nm is relatively easy because AMD already has monolithic 4nm chips based on Zen4.
So long mistake. :)
In August 29th 2022 was released only BS. A month later sales. :)
 
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Oh im sorry - has it not been Intel who has been talking about their eternally delayed and revolutionary chiplet based Meteor Lake for a while?
A product that is a year late and will only come to laptops in a 6+8 configuration and lower clock speeds. Maybe chiplets are not so easy after all?
Sapphire Rapids took years and 12! respins to come out. Ponte Vechhio is vaporware.

Your beloved Intel is about to to move to this "failed" chiplet architecture in 2024 and forward.

Oh yes 7800X3D is real laggy compared to that 13900KS - said no one ever.

Ryzen 5? Well i guess Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 models must be much better then. And 96MB sure is huge and will take a minute to fill at hundreds of GB/s speeds lol.

12000 in where? Intel cant even run 8000 now without errors. 12000 is XOC territory next year and that too with one channel active.

What competitions Gen6? Intel does not have or will have any PCIe 6.0 based boards now or next year.

If "eco" means 2-3x less power consumption while offering nearly identical performance to Intel while being cheaper then i'll take that "eco" every day of the week.

Outrageous compared to who? Intel who asks stupid prices for the K and KS models or server products still - as if it's 2015.

Your brain has a 30 minute boot time , not being able to distinguish minutes and seconds.
Average AM5 boot time is less than 30 seconds, not 30 minutes.
The article says cache size is expected to be 32 MB, which is exactly the same as Zen 3 and Zen 4.


In 2024? Yeah, right...


AMD has been pioneering new PCI-e standards, even though they are useless at first.


What does that even refer to?


Show me some outrageous prices from AMD. Apart from X670(E) motherboards, I don't see any.


Have you heard about "Memory Context Restore"?

Guys, don't feed the troll. Report and move on. His statements are far too off base to be considered a reasonable argument.
 
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So long mistake. :)
In August 29th 2022 was released only BS. A month later sales. :)
Im still waiting for your explanation about how this one ~23 month gap confirms two years to Zen5.
Right now we are ~9 months from Zen4 launch. You're saying we will have to wait additional 18 months from now until November 2024 for some reason.
 
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16 cores / 32 Thread is probably the sweet spot for quite some time for top end consumer chips. With Amdhal law, the gain after that even on highly multithreaded stuff start to become less and less.

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Just remember that the speedup are linear where the increase in number of processor are exponential.

For heavy computing, Threadripper or EPYC can do the job.

As long as they have a nice IPC boost. And it's probably quite possible. Zen 4 still have a lot of weakness vs Intel and it's still competitive.
 
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Right and it takes 18 months from now because?

Wait, who is arguing what point? We won't see Zen 5 until late next year, probably, judging only by AMD's current and past release cadence. It's (for Ryzen at least) always been about 2 years between new processor releases.
 
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Not really shocking to be honest, Since Intel's Meteor lake with its tile based chiplet design is rumoured to max out at 6 P Cores and 16 E-Cores. No need to increase core counts if the competition is not increasing theirs. If Zen 5 is keeping the same core counts then i expect a serious IPC increase over Zen 4, which makes me wonder if Intel's Meteor lake is going to be able to do the same to make up for the reduction of P-cores.
 
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The Hype machine started already?



I wonder if there are still people falling for AMDs failed chiplet architecture.

I mean okay i get it that media pushes them hard but after lagfest to lagfest cpu release you would think that people would see through the lies.



Ryzen 5 first predictions: 1 minute pauses during gameplay so the huge L3 caches start to fill

Ground Breaking DDR5 7000 support when DDR5 12000 becomes mainstream

PCIE GEN 5 support and reverse company stance (again) saying that competitions GEN 6 is useless

"Slower by design because eco"

Outrageous prices because "people will support the alternative"

30 minutes boot time


idk how or where ur getting your info from? I have 7800x3d 32gb ddr5 6000 cl36 & 7900xt 20GB ^ 1-2TB gammix S70 Blade gen4 ssds & i have never seen these so called "1 minute pauses during gameplay so the huge L3 caches start to fill" like wtf man? do you even own am5 or better yet even amd am4 or am5 at all or are you just an intel paid fanboi/enthusiast , intel influencer? cuz it sure sounds like it to me! no im not an amd fanboi, i buy what's optimised for in the games i play, but i also dont support scummy companies like nvidia or cheating companies like intel ( aka the amd vs intel suit back in mid 2000s with the intel compiler shenanigan's ( intel cheated) also paid kickbacks to the likes of dell/lenovo/HP or any SI that would take the deal to not use any AMD hardware in their systems!!! thats cheating the market BTW & the only reason why intel had so high market share..... so stfu!



yes i want AMD to win! but i also want intel to get off there @$$3s & also innovate to keep competition with AMD so prices stay low as possible! but this also goes for AMD Radeon also against nvidia. but nvidia has been screwing rtx /gtx owners over for the last 3+ years now (sence at least RTX 3000 launched & selling everything (or 99%) of their products (GPUs mainly) straight to miners in palets..... like wtf! amd prob did it too! not saying they didn't .. but they both screwed us all not selling to gamers & not stopping them! but rtx 40 has been the most disappointing launch ever from nvidia ( my last gpus were evga gtx 1080 8gb hybrid (then a gtx sc2 hybrid 1080ti 11gb & used that until my new 6800xt/6900xt now 7900xt ( iv built for friends/family) amds adrenaline is far superior to NVidias year 2000 control panel (LMMFAO) i mean c'mon, amd driver issues??? iv never had ANY!!!!! ever!!!







oh and intel gfx sux amd is way better than intel, intels igp cant even keep up with a 5600g lol apu haha ha

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The Hype machine started already?



I wonder if there are still people falling for AMDs failed chiplet architecture.

I mean okay i get it that media pushes them hard but after lagfest to lagfest cpu release you would think that people would see through the lies.



Ryzen 5 first predictions: 1 minute pauses during gameplay so the huge L3 caches start to fill

Ground Breaking DDR5 7000 support when DDR5 12000 becomes mainstream

PCIE GEN 5 support and reverse company stance (again) saying that competitions GEN 6 is useless

"Slower by design because eco"

Outrageous prices because "people will support the alternative"

30 minutes boot time


idk how or where ur getting your info from? I have 7800x3d 32gb ddr5 6000 cl36 & 7900xt 20GB ^ 1-2TB gammix S70 Blade gen4 ssds & i have never seen these so called "1 minute pauses during gameplay so the huge L3 caches start to fill" like wtf man? do you even own am5 or better yet even amd am4 or am5 at all or are you just an intel paid fanboi/enthusiast , intel influencer? cuz it sure sounds like it to me! no im not an amd fanboi, i buy what's optimised for in the games i play, but i also dont support scummy companies like nvidia or cheating companies like intel ( aka the amd vs intel suit back in mid 2000s with the intel compiler shenanigan's ( intel cheated) also paid kickbacks to the likes of dell/lenovo/HP or any SI that would take the deal to not use any AMD hardware in their systems!!! thats cheating the market BTW & the only reason why intel had so high market share..... so stfu!



yes i want AMD to win! but i also want intel to get off there @$$3s & also innovate to keep competition with AMD so prices stay low as possible! but this also goes for AMD Radeon also against nvidia. but nvidia has been screwing rtx /gtx owners over for the last 3+ years now (sence at least RTX 3000 launched & selling everything (or 99%) of their products (GPUs mainly) straight to miners in palets..... like wtf! amd prob did it too! not saying they didn't .. but they both screwed us all not selling to gamers & not stopping them! but rtx 40 has been the most disappointing launch ever from nvidia ( my last gpus were evga gtx 1080 8gb hybrid (then a gtx sc2 hybrid 1080ti 11gb & used that until my new 6800xt/6900xt now 7900xt ( iv built for friends/family) amds adrenaline is far superior to NVidias year 2000 control panel (LMMFAO) i mean c'mon, amd driver issues??? iv never had ANY!!!!! ever!!!







oh and intel gfx sux amd is way better than intel, intels igp cant even keep up with a 5600g lol apu haha ha

yeah im sick of scum
First off, welcome to the forum! :)

Second, At the bottom right corner of every comment, there is a button called "reply". Use that to quote other people's post in a way so that we can see who said what.

Also, choosing an AMD/Intel/Nvidia model name as your user name isn't ideal if you want people to take your opinion seriously (it suggests bias even when there is none).
 
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16 cores / 32 Thread is probably the sweet spot for quite some time for top end consumer chips. With Amdhal law, the gain after that even on highly multithreaded stuff start to become less and less.

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Just remember that the speedup are linear where the increase in number of processor are exponential.
Amdahl's law can't be applied to a desktop computer in a meaningful way. You don't always know your workload well, and it varies in a wide range, so you're sometimes on the blue curve and at other times on the green one. 16C/32T can be a sweet spot but 8C/16T can be one as well, so the best we can do is check the benchmarks results. Given that memory and storage speeds are limited too, you're probably right, more than 16C/32T would very rarely make sense.
 

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I hope to see three things happen with Zen 5:

1- Huge IPC increase
2- Major improvements to IMC
3- Hardening for higher clocks

That last one should be tailored to remove any shenanigans with X3D BIOS tinkering.

From what I remember reading, Jim Keller said he expects some of the biggest gains we have seen generation over generation out of Ryzen 8000 series.

We will see. I don't have a source for that, I read it a long time ago, so its possible I am remembering wrong.
 
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How about a 10-12 core CCD.

So we can get more than 8 cores on a single CCD/ring.

No need for 16, but 10-12

While almost no games benefit from more than 8 cores in normal situations, there are some games with Ray Tracing on high in certain areas with high enough FPS like Toms Diner of Cyber Punk at more than 110 or so FPS that benefit slightly from more than 8, so more than 8 on a single CCD may be useful in future.
Always consider Epycs and Threadrippers too, AMD will adjust their architecture to fit server and workstation requirements before desktop.

Yes, I too expected a 10-12 core CCD, or even two variants of silicon. Something like 6 and 10 cores, or 8 and 12 cores.
 
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How much lead time is needed on production to actual launch? If production starts in Q1, we could see a Q2 launch. From what I am seeing on rumors that came out March 30, 2022, product was to start on 7000 series in April/Early May. So that is 4~5 months. If production starts in Jan, 2024, it could be May/June we see the 8000 series. If production starts in March, that is July/August time frame. So a release could be expected anywhere in Q2/Q3 of 2024.

I'll be ready. Im on a 3700X and the 8000 series is the next chip for my CPU upgrade cycle :D. I hope the X3D versioin will also see a 2024 launch window.

Also, in terms of AI stuff, I would guess the 8000 series would use RDNA3 iGPU which has dedicated AI accelerators. That is one way AMD can deliver on specific AI core specs.
 
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Well when its 2023 going on 2024 and there are games.......and other software like this................what's the point..............(on personal desktop anyways)


"Speaking of performance, Redfall is a very CPU intensive game, as the CPU usage is mostly single-threaded on PC due to a very poor implementation of Unreal Engine 4 DirectX 12. Especially high-powered GPUs such as the GeForce RTX 4080 can end up CPU bottlenecked in some sequences of the game, even at 4K. We've seen these issues before in other recent Unreal Engine 4 games, such as Star Wars Jedi: Survivor, Hogwarts Legacy or Gotham Knights."

I think the X2 was out may-ish 2005..............one would have thought almost 20 years later (an Age in PC years) everything would have been programmed to at least 4 threads?
 
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For me the issue is less that there isn't going to be any CPU with more than 16 cores, and more that AMD is probably going to again release a 6-core CPU for $300 and an 8-core for $400, if they shifted the core counts one price tier down in the launch it would make for a better option at launch, but at this point I really doubt they're going to do it. Intel at least slapped 4 E-cores with Alder, and 8 E-cores with Raptor Lake on their equivalent CPUs.
 
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Wait, who is arguing what point? We won't see Zen 5 until late next year, probably, judging only by AMD's current and past release cadence. It's (for Ryzen at least) always been about 2 years between new processor releases.
Im arguing Q2 2024 at the latest (on 4nm). He is arguing late Q4 2024 at the earliest (on 3nm i believe). AMD'st past cadence has been 12-18 months. Zen4 took 23 months because of the massive number of changes. Zen5 should return to normal 18 months meaning we are about 9 months away from Zen5 release.

Should come AM6, because AM5 is screwed up with thick IHS.
AM6 wont happen before DDR6. Meaning possibly Zen7.
 
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Your brain has
First you need to clear your mind and change your attitude towards other members.
Being critical of a company is acceptable and debatable, no need to get excited on a personal level.
Maybe chiplets are not so easy after all?
No doubt, but instead of pushing expiremental technologies on users it's better to wait and do it right.
AMD's chiplets are lovely on specsheets to fill the place with cores as long as latency is hidden under the carpet.
Not that i approve E-cores, but Intel saw that AMD got away with it and got baited into their laggy path.
has it not been Intel
Yeah yeah, so if Intel sucks let's encourage the rest of the industry on the same path right?
Oh yes 7800X3D is real laggy compared to that 13900KS - said no one ever.
Of course no one said it!
Here is some food for thought:
Where is the Frametime Analysis section from TPU's reviews gone?? ---EDIT: I merely mention TPU as an example, it is a trend i noticed in many other sites like Tom's Hardware etc.
Wondered why GN was forced to present the full frametime plot for ONLY 2 games before casually returning to bars for the rest of the games in their 7800X3D video?
Nice catch, Zen 5 obviously.
96MB sure is huge and will take a minute to fill at hundreds of GB/s speeds lol.
Your "lol" at the end gives me hope that you got what is obviously a humorus exageration.
12000 in where
Intel is already at 8000 in it's current platform which clearly demonstrates that the next socket will easily max the DDR5 frequency range.
What competitions Gen6
The article is obviously disscussing future products and given that Intel's platform with Gen 5.0 is EOL points to the logical conclusion that their next Chipset will add Gen 6.0 support.
The same cannot be said for AMD since their current platform's main advantage is the fact it will stay the same for next CPU release, so Gen 5.0 for them.
Nothing too exciting here, it is just the same as the releases always worked.
If "eco" means 2-3x less power consumption
It could be nice if it would translate to actuall lower temperatures and not to an irrelevant annual 10-20 dollars electricity save.
Have you heard about "Memory Context Restore"?
Ohh yes! That's the correct mentality!
Introduce crappy performance products, let users beta test it and fix it via patches and workarounds 6 months later!
Works like a charm for the gaming industry let's support it on the Hardware industry too!
Your beloved Intel
Nah, don't really like Intel --> my current system is based on 5800X3D which was an upgrade from my previous 7700X but saddly both were a downgrade from my 12700K i had before, wish i had known better...
At least my averages are still great :)
 
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