AMD Ryzen X3D Processors are Popular with TPU Readers, 23% Market Share: Poll Results

[gffermari]

Ok, this is an outlier among others.
The real difference between the beloved 5800X3D and 7800X3D, is quite significant.
Not that I need to upgrade my 5800X3D but sometimes I see some benches like the below and I say....LOOK AT THAT!

 

[Nordic]

Stock is pretty weak though. 50% isn’t going to happen.. not like 20+ years ago

Even a 5900X running in its stock boost range with boosted power limits and some curve is stronger than stock.

I was able to get 25% faster than stock with my 5950x. I would call That pretty good

 

[W1zzard]

...why does the headline say 25% when the poll says 7,350/31,862, which is 23.06%? I'm a little confused.

Rounded for simplicity

This is an add for AMD to ensure good ads from them at TPU ;D

It is not an ad, not sponsored in any way, we just ran the poll like we do all the time and if there's interesting results I task the news people with writing a news post about the results. and AMD seems to have no interest to advertise with us, while almost every other company in the hardware space does, so not sure who's loss it is

 

[Auxityne]

Rounded for simplicity


It is not an ad, not sponsored in any way, we just ran the poll like we do all the time and if there's interesting results I task the news people with writing a news post about the results. and AMD seems to have no interest to advertise with us, while almost every other company in the hardware space does, so not sure who's loss it is

Then... why not round it to 23%? 25 is almost two points off and 23 would have been only 0.06 points off. I don't get it.

 

[W1zzard]

Then... why not round it to 23%? 25 is almost two points off and 23 would have been only 0.06 points off. I don't get it.

Whatever, changed to 23%

 

[faye]

Ok, this is an outlier among others.
The real difference between the beloved 5800X3D and 7800X3D, is quite significant.
Not that I need to upgrade my 5800X3D but sometimes I see some benches like the below and I say....LOOK AT THAT!
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The thing is it's pretty much just Hogwarts where the gap is that big, and so... Who cares?

 

[YoRkFiElD]

AMDip I would not touch a CPU that have overheating chiplet problem because of thermal density made even worse by stacking a memory on top and zero overclocking margin, burning CPUs due to bad SOC power design and many other platform bugs.

 

[kapone32]

AMDip I would not touch a CPU that have overheating chiplet problem because of thermal density made even worse by stacking a memory on top and zero overclocking margin, burning CPUs due to bad SOC power design and many other platform bugs.

That sounds like entirely the narrative. As a long term user what you are describing in temps is a non issue. I have a 7900X3D and never see what you are describing my 2nd CCD has no problem running at 5.7 single and 5.4 GHZ all core, There is also the fact that the other CCD is a 5.1 Ghz for all cores. The only thing that is different than before is now CPUs come OC from the manufacturer. That is true for both camps. When I see 65 Watts and a maximum of 72 Watts to achieve that to me it is spectacular.

There is also the fact that if you are into RTS, Turn Based or Single core Games that V cache is exemplary in performance. The next thing AMD users are waiting for are APUs with RDNA cores so we can build our own Steam Decks with super fast RAM.

If you have ever used a 5800X3D as a Gamer you would know but even though the narrative thinks not my 7900X3D is better in every way than the 5800X3D.

 

[Eskimonster]

My old rig was a 3770k with 16 gb 2133 cl9, bought me a 5800X3D 2 months ago, i resused what i could and the total system cost was 698$.
I play all sorts of games, but where i can feel the change most is in turnbased games. like OMFG my 3770k is slow compared to this state of the art cpu.
Very pleased, could be funny if it lasted 10y like the old one.

 

[AusWolf]

AMDip I would not touch a CPU that have overheating chiplet problem because of thermal density made even worse by stacking a memory on top and zero overclocking margin, burning CPUs due to bad SOC power design and many other platform bugs.

As a 7800X3D owner, I have to ask: what the hell are you talking about?

I'm cooling mine with a be quiet! Dark Rock 4 (non-Pro), and my CPU temp barely exceeds 80 °C under the heaviest workloads. In gaming, it sits around 50-55 °C most of the time.

 

[yannus1]

Intel is in a terrible situation. 31 % in the enthusiast market is not much. Hope they learn to keep a platform for more than a generation and to stop stabbing their customers in the back whenever they can.

 

[Godrilla]

Price of the 7800X3D is in a freefall. Currently selling for $329.99 before combo deals and 5% membership discount at microcenter. This matches the price pattern of the 5800X3D last year. The 7800X3D is the ideal gaming cpu due to maximum efficiency, performance, and doesn't throttle in an itx case. Also with the 7800X3D you don't need to worry about the hidden cost of running an air conditioner in the summer for long gaming sessions to prevent throttling.

Microcenter also has great deal on Intel cpus like.

Intel® Core™ i9-12900K
MSI Z690-A PRO WiFi DDR5 MB
32GB DDR5
3-in-1 Combo
SAVE $298
$399.99

Intel® Core™ i7-13700K
ASUS Z790-P Prime WiFi MB
32GB DDR5
3-in-1 Combo
SAVE $228
$499.99

Intel® Core™ i9-13900K
MSI Z790 MAG Tomahawk WiFi MB
32GB DDR5
3-in-1 Combo
SAVE $136
$799.99

fyi

Intel is in a terrible situation. 31 % in the enthusiast market is not much. Hope they learn to keep a platform for more than a generation and to stop stabbing their customers in the back whenever they can.

31% of the market on an am5 platform that has an upgrade path via halo products to potential Zen 6 3d cpus. That 31% is likely to forecast to a higher trajectory for team Red.

 

[grammar_phreak]

I bought a 5800x3d for a rig I was building but I ended up giving it to my brother instead in exchange for a 3900x. He already had a Crosshair 7 board and he had just upgraded from a 1080ti to a 6900xt. Now he can play anything and not have to touch the settings.

 

[chrcoluk]

Without diving into the fanboy war, my take on the figures.

Intel is getting squeezed, out, in my opinion not surprising.

Regular Ryzen right up there due to the aggressive pricing on earlier generations.
X3D up there due to its big boost for gaming applications. Gaming was Intel's crown for so long and is (at least modern titles that get reviewed) no longer the case. Ahead on productivity but with joke out of the box power levels.

The 7000 series X3D chips (and I am saying this as an Intel owner) I wouldnt call them at non gaming struggle either, they will still smoke chips like the 9900k in that area. Likewise the raptor lake and 14th gen Intel chips are still very good gaming chips, just no longer the lion of the pack.

 

[Mussels]

Having jumped onto that train the moment the first 5800x3D sale hit aus, i can tell you a few reasons why in a cool list format

• The wattages are drastically lower than the regular CPUs while gaming, making them easier to cool
• Minimum FPS values are drastically higher than non-3D CPUs
• 3D has 50% more dimensions than 2D

3D is the gaming winner, while 'workload' tasks want the 2D chips.

AMD found a winning combination with mixed chiplet designs because they can now sell something with the 'best of both' - this approach wouldnt have worked in previous years because intel had to use their market dominance to push Windows to accept and work with mixed CPU designs first with the E-cores.

(As much as current E-core designs annoy me, the concept of mixed cores is an obvious choice for all companies going forward)

The 7000 series X3D chips (and I am saying this as an Intel owner) I wouldnt call them at non gaming struggle either, they will still smoke chips like the 9900k in that area. Likewise the raptor lake and 14th gen Intel chips are still very good gaming chips, just no longer the lion of the pack.

You were clear you meant that intel doesn't 'smoke' the 3D chips outside of gaming, could you clarify what you mean there?

I've seen contradictory comments from some intel fans that think intel has the best single/multi threaded/gaming performance, but they always disagree on which one they think it's actually superior at, and i'd rather get a summary from someone whos opinion i respect more than a social media random.



Even TPUs blender results (which are lower than many other tests like R23) you can see the power difference clearly

It feels like if you look at one benchmark result seperate to the rest you get an impression - but if you look at them together, you get a very different one.

7800x3D slower than a 12700k?
Wow, that 3D chip is poop!
(8 cores 77W vs 12 core 253W)
The fact an 8 core CPU even comes close to a CPU with 50% more cores and 3x the wattage is incredible

I suppose this is why I like the gaming and MT efficiency charts, as it combines the information together?

Yes, in the real world prices are how products get compared to each other and not core counts but that varies so wildly by region that many of those arguments are meaningless outside the USA.

 

[chrcoluk]

You were clear you meant that intel doesn't 'smoke' the 3D chips outside of gaming, could you clarify what you mean there?

I've seen contradictory comments from some intel fans that think intel has the best single/multi threaded/gaming performance, but they always disagree on which one they think it's actually superior at, and i'd rather get a summary from someone whos opinion i respect more than a social media random.

Not an Intel or AMD fan as such. I currently own both platforms, and have used both platforms in my computing history.

To answer your question, The 7000 series 3D chips I don't consider poor at productivity they will still out perform previous kings in that area such as the 9900k and older gen Ryzen chips. Is what I meant by the phrase you quoted, I hope that makes more sense.

 

[AusWolf]

• The wattages are drastically lower than the regular CPUs while gaming, making them easier to cool

The only thing I have to add is they tend to be picky with AIO / coldplate designs, which isn't mentioned in reviews. My 7800X3D throttled to 4400-ish MHz at 50 W under a be quiet! Silent Loop 2 280 mm that even cooled an 11700 at 170 W before that with no problem. Now, life with a Dark Rock 4 (non-Pro) is problem-free. I suggest avoiding AIOs with X3D chips because of this hit-and-miss. Other than that, I agree.

 

[Mussels]

Not an Intel or AMD fan as such. I currently own both platforms, and have used both platforms in my computing history.

To answer your question, The 7000 series 3D chips I don't consider poor at productivity they will still out perform previous kings in that area such as the 9900k and older gen Ryzen chips. Is what I meant by the phrase you quoted, I hope that makes more sense.

I think the part that confused me is when you say 3D *chips*
Only the 7800x3D has the lower MT performance as its pure gaming - the other 3D chips smash multi threaded tests.

The tiny loss here vs the normal 7950x is what i refer to, the 7900x3D is similar.

Only the 5800x3D and 7800x3D lost any MT performance, and the 5800x3D only lost that performance on certain motherboards - mines as fast as my regular 5800x in R23 with the modern AGESAs (and a slight undervolt, because this board overvolts at stock)

 

[AusWolf]

I think the part that confused me is when you say 3D *chips*
Only the 7800x3D has the lower MT performance as its pure gaming - the other 3D chips smash multi threaded tests.

The tiny loss here vs the normal 7950x is what i refer to, the 7900x3D is similar.
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Only the 5800x3D and 7800x3D lost any MT performance, and the 5800x3D only lost that performance on certain motherboards - mines as fast as my regular 5800x in R23 with the modern AGESAs (and a slight undervolt, because this board overvolts at stock)

My 7800X3D lost about 1k points, or about 5% in Cb R23 compared to the 7700X while cutting power draw in half. The difference is that the 7700X has a much higher max boost clock, but drops it significantly in MT, while the 7800X3D doesn't because it runs with a much lower voltage.

 

[Mussels]

My 7800X3D lost about 1k points, or about 5% in Cb R23 compared to the 7700X while cutting power draw in half. The difference is that the 7700X has a much higher max boost clock, but drops it significantly in MT, while the 7800X3D doesn't because it runs with a much lower voltage.

In that example, sure. 7800x3D has a far lower power limit.
The other 3D chips dont, so they dont lose the MT performance.

Surely you can PBO boost the 7800x3D and shrink that massively? I dont have one of them to test, and finding the PBO limits is a nightmare when people report the maximums their BIOS lets them set, rather than what actually works

 

[AusWolf]

In that example, sure. 7800x3D has a far lower power limit.
The other 3D chips dont, so they dont lose the MT performance.

Surely you can PBO boost the 7800x3D and shrink that massively? I dont have one of them to test, and finding the PBO limits is a nightmare when people report the maximums their BIOS lets them set, rather than what actually works

Nah, the 7800X3D has a power limit of 162 W by default, but only uses 80-85. The 7700X on the other hand, maxes out its 142 W limit because it runs with much higher voltages, that's why it can't maintain all-core boost as much as the X3D can.

PBO is pretty much unnecessary at this point, I'm really happy with this chip at stock.

 

[Mussels]

Nah, the 7800X3D has a power limit of 162 W by default, but only uses 80-85. The 7700X on the other hand, maxes out its 142 W limit because it runs with much higher voltages, that's why it can't maintain all-core boost as much as the X3D can.

PBO is pretty much unnecessary at this point, I'm really happy with this chip at stock.

Odd, cause its using lower power in w1zzards testing.
I'm not sure if this is one of those things that varies between boards that enable PBO with XMP or not, ASUS have definitely been doing that.

Seen that on the intel side already, where the top end boards default to ~250W and lower end to 125W, meaning the same CPUs perform wildly different - and ASUS definitely don't know what XMP is, since they load custom overclocking profiles when you enable it.

 

[AusWolf]

Odd, cause its using lower power in w1zzards testing.
I'm not sure if this is one of those things that varies between boards that enable PBO with XMP or not, ASUS have definitely been doing that.

Seen that on the intel side already, where the top end boards default to ~250W and lower end to 125W, meaning the same CPUs perform wildly different - and ASUS definitely don't know what XMP is, since they load custom overclocking profiles when you enable it.

Probably. I've noticed that my idle power consumption is considerably lower with EXPO off. Also, my board gives it 1.3 VSOC with EXPO on, which also adds a couple of Watts on top, I guess.

 

[HuLkY]

Waiting for my 7800X3D already

 

[HuLkY]

Here we go xD