AMD sales hit 80% for mindfactory.de

[DoLlyBirD]

It's insane the difference between the ryzen x600 and the xx400f, considering price and performance. And this is going on for some time. People are not buying smart, they are buying the ryzen brand.

Sure some may got a deal on a sale, but that's a small minority like me, not everybody like we see there.

Likely lots upgrading from 1st, 2nd gen also in which case it's a drop in upgrade which doesn't require a new motherboard and or ram upgrade

 

[Dragokar]

I wait until the 5700X gets a sweet deal around €250

 

[Chrispy_]

Good to see that the majority of users still prefer AMD:

Alder lake boards aren't exactly great value; The B660 boards are better value than the Z690 boards but they're still not a good value compared to B550.
The median B660 board is $40-50 more than the median B550 board and at the low-budget end that's a lot of money when the i5-12400F and R5-5600 are the same price.

At the high-end, the 5800X3D is now a better option for gamers, and whilst the 5950X and 12900K are trading blows for many of the compute/compile/render benchmarks, the Ryzen is doing it quietly with a half-decent air cooler at under 150W, while the i9 requires a 360AIO at the bare minimum to keep the 350W peak, 250W average power draw tamed.

I don't want to belittle Alder Lake because it's a great product, but it's still an expensive platform and Intel have pushed their 10nm silicon to the absolute limits of sanity in terms of power and cooling. For those willing to pay a premium over AMD twice (once for the platform, and once more for the additional PSU+cooler overheads) it will be the superior product in the current market.

 

[Bomby569]

Likely lots upgrading from 1st, 2nd gen also in which case it's a drop in upgrade which doesn't require a new motherboard and or ram upgrade

For my experience from reading on foruns and even friend, people on the middle don't do those upgrades so close. People on the higher end, those sure, every year they drop a new CPU.

another thing is i think this particular reseller or the German market in particular idk, can't represent the AMD vd Intel market, no way the high end sell in those proportions to the middle of the ground CPU's.

 

[GerKNG]

the Z690 boards but they're still not a good value compared to B550.

not that easy to compare a b550 that has a gen 3 chipset with the only gen 4 SSDs attached to the CPU when a Z690 Board has even at 200€ already a lot of USB Ports, Intel LAN, a Gen 5 x16 Slot and only Gen 4 M.2 Slots + a 4th Gen 3 one.

 

[HD64G]

It's insane the difference between the ryzen x600 and the xx400f, considering price and performance. And this is going on for some time. People are not buying smart, they are buying the ryzen brand.

Sure some may got a deal on a sale, but that's a small minority like me, not everybody like we see there.

You just ignore the hundreds of thousands of AM4 platform owners who had a 2600 and will buy a 5600 that offers a 50% performance uplift for ~$200. I am one of those mind you...

 

[ARF]

It is interesting to know why AMD has been happy so far with its Ryzen 5000 offerings and product portfolio.

I think AMD could do:
1. Release more offers to make the 5000 series more diverse;
2. Gradually decrease the prices, Ryzen 9 5900X is still roughly at the levels of its release MSRP ~500-550 eur.
This is in order to push the sales because as you can see from the MF graph, there are seasonal peaks and lows which is not ok.

And this is before Ryzen 7000 launches soon, actually it may be as early as this September.

AMD Next-Gen 5nm Ryzen 7000 Desktop CPUs For AM5 Platform Allegedly Launch As Early As September 2022 (wccftech.com)

AMD Ryzen 'Zen 4' Desktop CPU Expected Features:

• Brand New Zen 4 CPU Cores (IPC / Architectural Improvements)
• Brand New TSMC 5nm process node with 6nm IOD
• Support on AM5 Platform With LGA1718 Socket
• Dual-Channel DDR5 Memory Support
• 28 PCIe Lanes (CPU Exclusive)
• 65-120W TDPs (Upper Bound Range ~170W)

 

[Chrispy_]

not that easy to compare a b550 that has a gen 3 chipset with the only gen 4 SSDs attached to the CPU when a Z690 Board has even at 200€ already a lot of USB Ports, Intel LAN, a Gen 5 x16 Slot and only Gen 4 M.2 Slots + a 4th Gen 3 one.

It's not really ever going to be a direct comparison, but looking at the Feb-April results above, the most significant chip for AMD sales is still the 5600X and you're not going to buy a €200 board for the last CPU in AM4's lifespan. Chances are far more likely that 5600X buyers are grabbing sub-€100 B550 board to go with their budget CPU. How many budget buyers are grabbing multiple Gen4 SSDs?

As @HD64G says, a significant portion of the strong sales of the 5800X, 5900X, and 5950X are likely to be earlier Zen1 or Zen2 buyers putting the best CPU they can get into their existing boards before AM4 CPUs are superseded. Given that it's only been on sale for 3 weeks with limited stock and scalper pricing, the 5800X3D is doing very well, too.

 

[ARF]

AMD's sales for February and March 2022 are pathetic compared to the same period last year. Slashed in half!

While the Ryzen 7 5800X3D sold around or less than 500 units only for the whole month of April 2022!
In a country with 84 million people population.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

While the Ryzen 7 5800X3D sold around or less than 500 units only for the whole month of April 2022!
In a country with 84 million people population.

Really, that's pretty awful, wonder why.

 

[Mats]

It is interesting to know why AMD has been happy so far with its Ryzen 5000 offerings and product portfolio.

It is selling like no other generation of Ryzen after so many months on the market, that's why. The older generations weren't competitive enough to be able to do something like that.

1.5 years old and still being relevant is something to be happy about. AMD have the top four spots of Amazons top 10 list, and 7 out of 10 in total.

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Also, selling at a higher price than last generation and still not being able to produce enough CPU's, yeah partly because of other factors, but now we know that price would have gone up anyway during last year.

I think AMD could do:
1. Release more offers to make the 5000 series more diverse;
2. Gradually decrease the prices, Ryzen 9 5900X is still roughly at the levels of its release MSRP ~500-550 eur.

1 - They just did that. AMD already have all the models they want with Vermeer and Cezanne.
2 - They already did that. AMD have lowered the prices significantly since the launch of Alder.

5950X launch price: $800 Now: $550
5900X launch price: $550 Now: $390
5800X launch price: $450 Now: $329
5600X launch price: $300 Now: $217

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#F=96

The 5900X starts at €400.

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, 12C/24T, 3.70-4.80GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ab € 285,00 (2023) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

✔ Preisvergleich für AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, 12C/24T, 3.70-4.80GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kerne: 12 (12C) • Threads: 24 • Turbotakt: 4.80GHz • Basistakt: 3.70GHz… ✔ AMD ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.eu

The 5950X has been bouncing between €519 - 549, and is at this moment at €549.

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 16C/32T, 3.40-4.90GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ab € 425,00 (2023) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

✔ Preisvergleich für AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 16C/32T, 3.40-4.90GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kerne: 16 (16C) • Threads: 32 • Turbotakt: 4.90GHz • Basistakt: 3.40GHz… ✔ AMD ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.eu

While the Ryzen 7 5800X3D sold around or less than 500 units only for the whole month of April 2022!

Maybe the LAUNCH DATE has something to do with it?
It was on April 20... and then they were sold out in many places within two days.
Limited stock isn't the same as bad sales.

Besides, this is a CPU that only makes sense if the customer also have high end GPU. For everyone else it's better to buy a 5600 and have $250 more to spend on the GPU.
You are extremely good at making things up, but unfortunately it doesn't reflect the reality.

It's insane the difference between the ryzen x600 and the xx400f, considering price and performance. And this is going on for some time. People are not buying smart, they are buying the ryzen brand.

You're leaving out the group that upgrades their AM4 system. Upgrading an existing system is smart in this situation as opposed to buying board as well, and maybe even RAM.
The difference isn't insane either in gaming.

And if you're using a faster card than a 3070 chances are that you're running at a higher resolution anyway. Maybe you're not even using a $2000 GPU with a $200 CPU..

The 12400F is €20 cheaper, but it also requires a more expensive motherboard.

 

[ARF]

5950X launch price: $800 Now: $550
5900X launch price: $550 Now: $390
5800X launch price: $450 Now: $329
5600X launch price: $300 Now: $217

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#F=96

The 5900X starts at €400.

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, 12C/24T, 3.70-4.80GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ab € 285,00 (2023) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

✔ Preisvergleich für AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, 12C/24T, 3.70-4.80GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kerne: 12 (12C) • Threads: 24 • Turbotakt: 4.80GHz • Basistakt: 3.70GHz… ✔ AMD ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.eu

The 5950X has been bouncing between €519 - 549, and is at this moment at €549.

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 16C/32T, 3.40-4.90GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ab € 425,00 (2023) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

✔ Preisvergleich für AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 16C/32T, 3.40-4.90GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kerne: 16 (16C) • Threads: 32 • Turbotakt: 4.90GHz • Basistakt: 3.40GHz… ✔ AMD ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.eu

These prices are not a reality for some countries. It would be fair if you provide this data for country by country.
Show us data for Argentina, Australia, Japan, South Africa, Hungary (27% VAT), Romania and Greece.
It is easy to cherry pick the data for the US or Germany but in other parts of the globe the prices are much higher..

Ryzen 9 5900X BOX starts at 455 eur.
Ryzen 9 5900X Tray starts at 511 eur.
Ryzen 9 5950X starts at 648 eur.

The truth is that because of the high prices, virtually all alive retailers have the CPUs in stock
which literally means that they are sitting on mountains of UNSOLD CPUs

 

[ratirt]

These prices are not a reality for some countries. It would be fair if you provide this data for country by country.
Show us data for Argentina, Australia, Japan, South Africa, Hungary (27% VAT), Romania and Greece.
It is easy to cherry pick the data for the US or Germany but in other parts of the globe the prices are much higher..

Ryzen 9 5900X BOX starts at 455 eur.
Ryzen 9 5900X Tray starts at 511 eur.
Ryzen 9 5950X starts at 648 eur.

The truth is that because of the high prices, virtually all alive retailers have the CPUs in stock
which literally means that they are sitting on mountains of UNSOLD CPUs

You have to be more specific at the beginning not play ball now with the 'in other countries' thing
Here is from Hungary in a random store.

I'm sure you would find it cheaper if you know where to look. Here translates to $454


Here is from Norway

Here is for $446


You can find it everywhere and I'm sure the countries you have specified have those at that price for sure. Obviously the price might be different and you need to look for sales.

 

[Palladium]

Got my 5600 non-X for $160 and B550M Aorus Pro-P for $80. Both together are still cheaper than an budget Z690 board here lmao.

 

[Chomiq]

The reason why 5800X3D hasn't sold so well is the price tag of €519+.

 

[Chrispy_]

The reason why 5800X3D hasn't sold so well is the price tag of €519+.

and the fact that it's only been on sale for 15-20 days of the 90 day period that the rest of the products in the chart cover. Multiply it's sales score proportionally by 5-6x to cover the effective 90 days and it's probably the #1 AMD seller per day for the days it was on sale to the public.

 

[Chomiq]

and the fact that it's only been on sale for 15-20 days of the 90 day period that the rest of the products in the chart cover. Multiply it's sales score proportionally by 5-6x to cover the effective 90 days and it's probably the #1 AMD seller per day for the days it was on sale to the public.

You sure about that?

They can't even keep the boxed one in stock.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

You sure about that?
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They can't even keep the boxed one in stock.

€588 seems a lot to me

 

[ratirt]

Available in basically any store in Norway

The price is higher but that is normal for a just released product.

 

[Chrispy_]

You sure about that?

I mean, yeah; It's sold enough to be a significant chunk on the on the Feb-April chart, despite only being available to buy partway through April.
The limited stock and scalper pricing I already specifically called out in post #83, if that's what you're getting at.

 

[Chomiq]

I mean, yeah; It's sold enough to be a significant chunk on the on the Feb-April chart, despite only being available to buy partway through April.
The limited stock and scalper pricing I already specifically called out in post #83, if that's what you're getting at.

Yeah but if you want to go by 90 day numbers then you need to assume that the cpu is widely available throughout those 90 days. Better comparison would be to compare the actual numbers starting from 4/20.

They might have sold 500 units on launch day simply because they were priced at €499. Now that the prices have jumped people are waiting for a price drop.

 

[Chrispy_]

Yeah but if you want to go by 90 day numbers then you need to assume that the cpu is widely available throughout those 90 days. Better comparison would be to compare the actual numbers starting from 4/20.

They might have sold 500 units on launch day simply because they were priced at €499. Now that the prices have jumped people are waiting for a price drop.

They sold 500 units because that's the stock they were allocated, most likely.
Prices will be scalped until supply exceeds demand, and right now the 5800X3D is sold out in Germany for the boxed version, because people want their warranty, most likely.
Here in the UK the top 3 etailers are out of stock too, but I can preorder for the next stock allocation at the MSRP.

 

[ARF]

The truth being told is that the so called "market economy" is broken and it has never functioned on the principles - demand - supply.
The manufactures basically always dictate the pricing, and when it doesn't make them happy, they simply turn the production off.
There is never negotiation between the buyer and the seller, never discounts, and the supply never follows the demand at the asked by the buyer price.

Those 500 units don't show the true demand, which may be 1000 or 2000 units, which is still a far cry from properly supplying an 84-million population.
Ryzen 7 5800X3D is just a late, overpriced, niche premium product which very few will ever get.

Ryzen 7000 series is coming this September.

 

[Dragokar]

They sold 500 units because that's the stock they were allocated, most likely.
Prices will be scalped until supply exceeds demand, and right now the 5800X3D is sold out in Germany for the boxed version, because people want their warranty, most likely.
Here in the UK the top 3 etailers are out of stock too, but I can preorder for the next stock allocation at the MSRP.

It is readily available with some prices close to msrp, e.g., at nbb or directly through AMD. You don't have to buy at MF.

 

[mb194dc]

Market for computer hardware will crash like all the other lockdown bubble stuff ?

Could be entering a very different economic environment, let's see.