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Yeah, server CPU's usually are.So pointless for average consumers then.
Yeah, server CPU's usually are.So pointless for average consumers then.
according to Kepler_L2, a reliable source with hardware leaks.
You're the only one talking about it, tho. We're talking about EPYC CPU's, or desktop CPU's made of chiplets and with a 2CU GPU, not laptop APU's.but we're talking about soc's that come with a gpu and very likely an npu that will all be competing for memory bandwidth.
No.plenty of space on the AM5 pcb
is there a reason those smd's need to be in that configuration and can't be moved further to the edgesYou're the only one talking about it, tho. We're talking about EPYC CPU's, or desktop CPU's made of chiplets and with a 2CU GPU, not laptop APU's.
No.
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The exception is if they're going 3D. That silly thick lid must be a placeholder for something..
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Indeed, but I just had a thought if we to have a single 32c CCD with 3D V-cache (so no I-fabric latency issues to contend with), I dont think I would say no to that. Sure gaming would only use 6-8 cores, but ALL my other multi thread tasks would fly...Yeah, server CPU's usually are.
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You're the only one talking about it, tho. We're talking about EPYC CPU's, or desktop CPU's made of chiplets and with a 2CU GPU, not laptop APU's.
No.
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The exception is if they're going 3D. That silly thick lid must be a placeholder for something..
They can't be where the lid is glued (black), that's a given. AMD has already mimimized that area with the cutouts of the lid. Currently there seems to be a bit of space at the lower end (green), but that's not much.is there a reason those smd's need to be in that configuration and can't be moved further to the edges
How are those even related? One is consumer only AFAIK and used even in 14900K, and the other is server only up until low end Phoenix 2 and never used in high end Ryzens.even got AMD to cobble up C cores for their CPUs
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I know, actually I am actively planning to get the 7960X, encoding really needs the extra cores and the 4 channel memory controller!They won't have. They would require a different kind of motherboard than other Ryzens.
Buy a Threadripper if you need more memory channels.
No one knows at this point besides AMD, but AMD would shoot themselves in the foot if they had only two generations for one socket. That's the Intel standard, and people expect more from AMD. I think part of the reason for AM4's success is its longevity, and I'd expect AMD wanting to repeat that.as far as i know amd never promised they were going to keep am5 around all that long, they said they were going to keep it around for 3 years
those 3 years will be up at the end of 2025
Zen 6 is all about fixing these issues with the current ccd design. We should indeed be able to have our 3D v-cache cake and eat it all. I think IO die is also in for major changes unlike Zen 5 which just carries over Zen 4 IO die with tweaksIndeed, but I just had a thought if we to have a single 32c CCD with 3D V-cache (so no I-fabric latency issues to contend with), I dont think I would say no to that. Sure gaming would only use 6-8 cores, but ALL my other multi thread tasks would fly...
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They can't be where the lid is glued (black), that's a given. AMD has already mimimized that area with the cutouts of the lid. Currently there seems to be a bit of space at the lower end (green), but that's not much.
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How are those even related? One is consumer only AFAIK and used even in 14900K, and the other is server only up until low end Phoenix 2 and never used in high end Ryzens.
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This is clickbait. The text is all about EPYC, and Ryzen is never mentioned, especially not AM4.
No wonder readers start dreaming up products that will never exist lol
thats reasonable, there wouldn’t be a reason for glue if they went the solder route though.They can't be where the lid is glued (black), that's a given. AMD has already mimimized that area with the cutouts of the lid. Currently there seems to be a bit of space at the lower end (green), but that's not much.
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You can't bet on things that have already happended lol.C cores are coming to ryzen, bet on it. Strange don't you think how they never used anything like E cores, and now C core which imo is their answer to E cores will be coming to desktop Ryzen.
IDK if it's glue or whatever, I'm simply talking about the contact area between the lid and the base. It needs to be there in order to have that surface on top of the lid for the mechanism to hold on to. It can't look like AM4 CPU's around the edges. However, it's of course possible that AMD will use a new lid for AM5 at some point,.thats reasonable, there wouldn’t be a reason for glue if they went the solder route though.
TR has more channels because at that number of cores and target audience you're starting to feel the memory limitation. If AMD wants to sell you a super duper CPU stuffed to the gills with cores for people who need them but then it's hobbled by the memory access and you're left with bragging rights in Task Manager, then it's a huge waste.They won't have. They would require a different kind of motherboard than other Ryzens.
Buy a Threadripper if you need more memory channels.
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It crazy that it is 2024 and we are still getting new AM4 CPUs. No one can say AMD does not care about it's socket longevity.No one knows at this point besides AMD, but AMD would shoot themselves in the foot if they had only two generations for one socket. That's the Intel standard, and people expect more from AMD. I think part of the reason for AM4's success is its longevity, and I'd expect AMD wanting to repeat that.
It's not the first time AMD said three years. Maybe they want to say four, but it's just that they can't know for certain.
In 2017:
Regardless of chipset, AMD intends to use the same socket, Socket 1331, and the same platform, AM4, until 2020, unless some new technology (such as PCIe 4.0 or DDR5) forces it to change the package pinout.
AMD’s moment of Zen: Finally, an architecture that can compete
Intel's architecture is still better, but AMD has significantly narrowed the gap.arstechnica.com
As we all know, the 5800X3D came not three but five years later, and models have been launched even this year, seven years later.
AMD will have to tell us this year if Zen5 or Zen6 is the last one for AM5.
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ZEN 3 was a great architecture and is still a good architecture today. It's just not the best, but good enough for most people.It crazy that it is 2024 and we are still getting new AM4 CPUs. No one can say AMD does not care about it's socket longevity.
Not sure AMD will jump to 32 first, I'd guess 24, and maybe not on Zen 5. Also, I don't think we'll see C cores on high end, just yet.To be fair 16c/32t is more than enough for Gaming! But for Productivity a 32c/64t CPU would be great! Even though I think it will be ZEN 5c cores and not ZEN 5 cores!
I think triple channel is the sweet spot but I really strongly doubt it'll ever happen. 58 had that right, it's perfect for enthusiasts. Quad channel is excessive since 4 dimms is the minimum and 8 slots are really tough to fit on the motherboard. Triple channel gives you 3 slots with 1dpc or 6 slots for some nice extra capacity without too much cost or complexity. 32 cores is gonna be really constrained in the kinds of memory sensitive workloads that use that many cores with dual channel, but I'd wager quad channel offers very little return over triple channel.I have to agree cold hardily, its about time AMD moves to Quad-Channel memory over its Dual-Channel they've been using for ages now.
Exactly,