Apple Deprecates OpenGL and OpenCL from MacOS

StrayKAT · Jun 8, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
Which most of the world is never going to play nice with..

That is exactly what I'm saying.

No it wasn't. It was dead simple.

They have already become that, but a better version.

I have to agree, disconnect it from the internet and change your wifi password. Tizen in not secure. Get yourself a Roku, Nvidia Shield or quality Android TV box.

That bad, huh?

I hate to derail, but if anyone can tell me why 4K/HDR is not showing up in the PC version of Netflix, I'd happily do it. I'd rather run Netflix from there anyways. Is it some kind of crap DRM scheme? I have capable 4k hardware at least.

ZeDestructor · Jun 8, 2018

StrayKAT said:
That bad, huh?

I hate to derail, but if anyone can tell me why 4K/HDR is not showing up in the PC version of Netflix, I'd happily do it. I'd rather run Netflix from there anyways. Is it some kind of crap DRM scheme? I have capable 4k hardware at least.

100% crap DRM bullshit, and since AMD is being slow as molasses on adding PlayReady 3.0 support to Vega, you're up shit creek waiting until they do.

Things needed to support PlayReady 3.0 (as of writing): Intel UHD graphics (Kaby Lake and newer) or Pascal cards with 3GB or more VRAM and 381.74 or newer drivers or Polaris cards with 18.4.1 or newer drivers; an HDCP 2.2-compliant monitor/TV/AVR chain.

lexluthermiester · Jun 9, 2018

StrayKAT said:
That bad, huh?

Yup, that bad. Don't trust it.

Yazz · Jun 9, 2018

R-T-B said:
Ouch.

But... I mean technically OpenGL hasn't shipped with windows in like, forever. It's not "deprecated" there it just doesn't exist. But every hardware manufacturer on Windows implements it anyways in their drivers.

I'm betting they could do the same in OS X, if Apple will let hardware makers implement a "deprecated" API in their driver packages. They probably won't sadly. Walled gardens suck.

Instead of opening the file properties wondow I decided to tweak the details view so you could see the manf, version, etc, and notice the folder it's in because it's contents happen to match copies in my C:\Windows\System32\ Directory (In the latest official Windows 10 version - 1803 Pro).

GoldenX · Jun 9, 2018

You can replace that native windows version with the Mesa LLVMpipe one, giving you OpenGL 3.3 on the CPU. You can play Rage with only the CPU.

Xtremecookiez · Jun 11, 2018

xkm1948 said:
OpenCL, meh. Pretty much everything use CUDA anyway

Macs ship with AMD GPUs.

They can't use CUDA unless you hook up an external nvidia GPU.

lexluthermiester · Jun 12, 2018

Xtremecookiez said:
Macs ship with AMD GPUs.

They can't use CUDA unless you hook up an external nvidia GPU.

When did that happen? Apple has been using NVidia since 2006 when they made the switch to Intel CPU's.

ZeDestructor · Jun 13, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
When did that happen? Apple has been using NVidia since 2006 when they made the switch to Intel CPU's.

Macbook Pro: AMD options since 2006, and AMD-only since 2015
iMac: AMD options since 2006, AMD-only since 2014
Mac Pro: AMD options since 2006, AMD-only since 2010 (2013 if you discount the old tower on the basis of it's ability to fit any PCIe card)

Over the years, there have been generations of machines that have been nV-exclusive and AMD-exclusive, as the case is, just to really muddy up the waters, but overall Apple has been AMD-only since 2015.

For the dGPU side, anyways. Intel iGPU enabled if the platform has it, which translates into being enabled on everything but the Mac Pro and iMac Pro.

lexluthermiester · Jun 15, 2018

ZeDestructor said:
Macbook Pro: AMD options since 2006, and AMD-only since 2015
iMac: AMD options since 2006, AMD-only since 2014
Mac Pro: AMD options since 2006, AMD-only since 2010 (2013 if you discount the old tower on the basis of it's ability to fit any PCIe card)

Over the years, there have been generations of machines that have been nV-exclusive and AMD-exclusive, as the case is, just to really muddy up the waters, but overall Apple has been AMD-only since 2015.

For the dGPU side, anyways. Intel iGPU enabled if the platform has it, which translates into being enabled on everything but the Mac Pro and iMac Pro.

Just shows how much I pay attention Apple's line of products..

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Storage	Samsung 980 Pro 2TB
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Case	Corsair C70
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Software	Win 10 Pro

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Storage	many, many SSDs and HDDs....
Display(s)	Dell U3014 + Dell U3011 \| SMCI IPMI KVMoIP \| 3840×2400 Samsung OLED
Case	Caselabs TH10A \| Supermicro SC846 \| Lenovo Thinkpad P1 Gen 6
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Power Supply	Corsair AX1600 \| 1200W PSU (Delta) \| Lenovo 230W or 300W
Mouse	Logitech G604
Keyboard	1985 IBM Model F 122-key, Lenovo integrated
VR HMD	The wait for 4K per eye is long and winding....
Software	FAAAR too much to list

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System Name	Diablo \| Baal \| Mephisto
Processor	Ryzen 9800X3D \| 2x Xeon E5-2697v4 \| i7-13900H
Motherboard	ASRockRack B650D4U-2L2T/BCM \| Supermicro X10DRH-iT \| Lenovo Thinkpad P1 Gen 6
Cooling	Custom loop \| SC846 Chassis cooled\| dual-fanned heatpipes with LM
Memory	64GiB DDR5-5600 ECC \| 256GiB DDR4-3200 ECC RDIMM \| 64GiB DDR5-5600
Video Card(s)	RTX 3090 Ti Founder's Edition \| Embedded ASPEED2400 \| RTX 5000 Ada Mobile (80W)
Storage	many, many SSDs and HDDs....
Display(s)	Dell U3014 + Dell U3011 \| SMCI IPMI KVMoIP \| 3840×2400 Samsung OLED
Case	Caselabs TH10A \| Supermicro SC846 \| Lenovo Thinkpad P1 Gen 6
Audio Device(s)	Creative SoundBlaster X4 \| None \| On-board + Moondriver2 Ti + Bluetooth
Power Supply	Corsair AX1600 \| 1200W PSU (Delta) \| Lenovo 230W or 300W
Mouse	Logitech G604
Keyboard	1985 IBM Model F 122-key, Lenovo integrated
VR HMD	The wait for 4K per eye is long and winding....
Software	FAAAR too much to list

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