Are 12+4 Pin Connectors safe?

[mama]

This looks concerning... Melting 12VHPWR Connectors - The Real Story - Cultists Network

 

[Bill_Bright]

They, like most things, are safe when used properly.

 

[thewan]

This looks concerning... Melting 12VHPWR Connectors - The Real Story - Cultists Network

thats like asking, is driving without brakes safe?

standards and instructions to use something are there for a reason. if you don't follow them nothing is safe in this world. you would just combust the moment you do anything.

 

[natr0n]

Always better to have a solid connection with minimal detours of extra points of failure.

 

[xtreemchaos]

did the psu have no protection, it should of cut out long before that happen.

 

[maxfly]

One more reason to ignore wccftech anything. How low can you go? Cold busted, flat out lying to get hits. Journalism in 2022 at its lowest form.

 

[caroline!]

As always, adapters are to blame.

 

[R-T-B]

As always, adapters are to blame.

Did you read? Adapters have nothing to do with this.

 

[caroline!]

Did you read? Adapters have nothing to do with this.

I read, did you?

Now most manufacturers have told that using a standard 8-pin to 12VHPWR adapter should work just fine but according to PCI-SIG, that's not the case. As you see, the 12VHPWR Gen 5 connector is designed to sustain a load of up to 600W while a 8-pin connector is designed to sustain a max load of 150W. And here's where the safety risk arises.

 

[maxfly]

I read, did you?

Now most manufacturers have told that using a standard 8-pin to 12VHPWR adapter should work just fine but according to PCI-SIG, that's not the case. As you see, the 12VHPWR Gen 5 connector is designed to sustain a load of up to 600W while a 8-pin connector is designed to sustain a max load of 150W. And here's where the safety risk arises.

And this is the problem with bs journalism. It creates confusion.

This cultists story is exposing wccftechs PCI-SIG email lies, they made the entire adapter story up. There is no problem with the adapters, period end of story. Only the douchebags at wccftech that created this bs story.

 

[R-T-B]

I read, did you?

Now most manufacturers have told that using a standard 8-pin to 12VHPWR adapter should work just fine but according to PCI-SIG, that's not the case. As you see, the 12VHPWR Gen 5 connector is designed to sustain a load of up to 600W while a 8-pin connector is designed to sustain a max load of 150W. And here's where the safety risk arises.

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[Bill_Bright]

The above text does not appear in the linked article.

Ummm, sorry RTB, but yes it does. Look a little bit under Figure 5-3 in the article.

But let's not get tangled up in what's not important here.

The facts remain, in electronics the least number of connections/joints using no adapters is always preferred in any circuit.

But the use of adapters is totally acceptable AS LONG AS the adapter is properly installed, in perfect repair, is rated with the same or greater (never ever less) capabilities, and it does not alter, in any way the characteristics of the circuit by adding any significant level of resistance, capacitance, or inductance to the circuit, or allow the introduction or emanation of any RFI/EMI.

So I say, as an electronics technician, you can use an adapter under those circumstances. But in my opinion, that should only be as a temporary solution used to minimize downtime while you are waiting for the correct part to arrive for a permanent solution - one that eliminates the need for any adapters.

Also, I recommend folks read that article, then scroll down to the comments and read what Johnny Guru says about the article.

 

[Speedyblupi]

As always, adapters are to blame.

No, adapters are not to blame. The point of the cultists article is that WCCFTECH claims that adapters are to blame, with no evidence.

The first two sentences of the article:
"Recently, WCCFTECH posted an article stating that PCI-SIG sent an email out warning against the use of using non-ATX 3.0 PSUs and 8-pin to 12VHPWR adapters.

Except, no such communication was ever made by PCI-SIG… Everything in the article was simply made up."

The damage to 12+4-pin power connectors is a result of poor contact between the pins and socket when the cable is bent too far sideways. PCI-SIG sent out an email which stated there are problems with "some implementations of the 12VHPWR connectors and assemblies", which included an attachment which explained how these implementations were dangerous because they resulted in the cables being bent too far. WCCFTECH didn't bother to read this email properly or look at the attachment, and assumed it was about using power adapters, then wrote an article about it as if their assumption was fact.

Journalistic integrity, ladies and gentlemen.

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Try clicking the link.

The quoted text is not in the cultists article itself, but is in the WCCFTECH article which the cultists article is referencing.

 

[maxfly]

Ummm, sorry RTB, but yes it does. Look a little bit under Figure 5-3 in the article.

But let's not get tangled up in what's not important here.

The facts remain, in electronics the least number of connections/joints using no adapters is always preferred in any circuit.

But the use of adapters is totally acceptable AS LONG AS the adapter is properly installed, in perfect repair, is rated with the same or greater (never ever less) capabilities, and it does not alter, in any way the characteristics of the circuit by adding any significant level of resistance, capacitance, or inductance to the circuit, or allow the introduction or emanation of any RFI/EMI.

So I say, as an electronics technician, you can use an adapter under those circumstances. But in my opinion, that should only be as a temporary solution used to minimize downtime while you are waiting for the correct part to arrive for a permanent solution - one that eliminates the need for any adapters.

Also, I recommend folks read that article, then scroll down to the comments and read what Johnny Guru says about the article.

PSA ATTENTION \\\\\\ READ THE CULTISTS ARTICLE ////// THE WCCFTECH ARTICLE IS FAKE.
The cultist article (that mama posted in her original post) is showing that the wccftech article is FAKE.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This looks concerning... Melting 12VHPWR Connectors - The Real Story - Cultists Network

The only thing concerning in that link is the fact the wccftech is once again faking news and blatantly lying about facts. As Bill stated, even JohnneyGuru joined in to point that out. WCCFTech is GARBAGE media and should NEVER be taken seriously.

However, about adapters in general, simple rules apply. Buy good quality adapters, make sure they are properly connected, and make sure there are no exposed wires or contact points.

In the case of anything transmitting power inside your PC chassis, the lower the gauge wire, the better(because lower gauge means higher wire size and thus higher power load limits). 20AWG should be considered the bare minimum and should only be used for drives and fans. 18AWG is good and can be used for greater wattage power delivery like mid and upper-mid range GPU's, water cooling pumps, etc. 16AWG would be best and is suitable for high wattage power parts like top tier GPUs. Tom's did a great article about this subject in 2014 and on page 6 they pointed out some great information.

The Math Behind GPU Power Consumption And PSUs

Garbage in, garbage out. That's what you get if you don't spend enough time planning and testing your benchmarking methodologies. It's easy to fall victim to this golden rule, since proper preparation requires a lot of effort. We put in the time for you.

www.tomshardware.com

While I somewhat disagree with them about the estimated minimums, the electrical math and infomation is spot on.

While that article is a few years old, the principles it offers a reader still very much a apply: Spend a bit more for quality on your power delivery parts. You don't want things melting and blowing up in your face.

Example:
Hear we have a 6pin to 8pin PCIe power adapter cable,

6-pin to 8-pin PCI Express Power Converter Cable for GPU Video Card PCIE PCI-E | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 6-pin to 8-pin PCI Express Power Converter Cable for GPU Video Card PCIE PCI-E at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

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This has 18AWG wiring and will get the job done as long as you're not pushing high wattage through it. Mid tier GPU's are the limit with this cable.

With the following we have a similar adapter cable but made with 16AWG wiring,

12 INCH 16AWG 6 PIN MALE TO 8 PIN (6+2) MALE PCIE POWER CABLE | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 12 INCH 16AWG 6 PIN MALE TO 8 PIN (6+2) MALE PCIE POWER CABLE at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

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This cable will provide ample power flow for anything connected to it without the fear of melting parts. It costs more but is worth every extra penny.

 

[Bill_Bright]

ATTENTION \\\\\\ READ THE CULTISTS ARTICLE ////// THE WCCFTECH ARTICLE IS FAKE.

I don't know why you quoted or are SHOUTING AT ME!! I never suggested the article was real, fake, or whatever. My comment, obviously, was about the use of adapters in any circuit. And I stand by what I said.

 

[maxfly]

I don't know why you quoted or are SHOUTING AT ME!! I never suggested the article was real, fake, or whatever. My comment, obviously, was about the use of adapters in any circuit. And I stand by what I said.

Ummm, sorry RTB, but yes it does. Look a little bit under Figure 5-3 in the article.

Also, I recommend folks read that article, then scroll down to the comments and read what Johnny Guru says about the article.

Hahaha, It wasn't directed at you specifically Bill, more of a PSA. I was/am trying to catch EVERYONE'S attention to the fact that there seems to be confusion regarding which article is being discussed and more importantly which contains real vs fake information.
After seeing carolines post regarding the wcfftech article and then you suggesting RTB look at the figure (in the same fake article) and then suggest people read the fake article(why i quoted you). Im trying to put an end to the spread of disinformation that's being propagated by wccftechs article. They are flat out lying and if they are creating confusion here...well.
The JG post is the only portion of that article that's worth absorbing.

 

[R-T-B]

Ummm, sorry RTB, but yes it does. Look a little bit under Figure 5-3 in the article.

But let's not get tangled up in what's not important here.

The facts remain, in electronics the least number of connections/joints using no adapters is always preferred in any circuit.

But the use of adapters is totally acceptable AS LONG AS the adapter is properly installed, in perfect repair, is rated with the same or greater (never ever less) capabilities, and it does not alter, in any way the characteristics of the circuit by adding any significant level of resistance, capacitance, or inductance to the circuit, or allow the introduction or emanation of any RFI/EMI.

So I say, as an electronics technician, you can use an adapter under those circumstances. But in my opinion, that should only be as a temporary solution used to minimize downtime while you are waiting for the correct part to arrive for a permanent solution - one that eliminates the need for any adapters.

Also, I recommend folks read that article, then scroll down to the comments and read what Johnny Guru says about the article.

Wrong article. Again, click the link people. I'm telling you to read what was posted here.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Wrong article. Again, click the link people. I'm telling you to read what was posted here.

Ok, I might be missing what you're saying. What are we missing?

 

[R-T-B]

Ok, I might be missing what you're saying. What are we missing?

People are talking about the WCCF article, even quoting it.

That's not what is linked here in OP. What is linked here is a direct refutation of that article.

 

[lexluthermiester]

People are talking about the WCCF article, even quoting it.

That's not what is linked here in OP. What is linked here is a direct refutation of that article.

Ok, we get that. And?

 

[R-T-B]

Ok, we get that. And?

I was being told to read something I obviously have by people who obviously haven't. Nothing more to it than that.

 

[Braegnok]

I feel vary safe.

I'm using the EVGA PowerLink 41s,.. it screws to backplate for a solid 12-pin connection. https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=600-PL-1648-LR

Spreading out the load over as many PCIe 8-pin cables as you can,.. is wise when your pulling 470 to 530W.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I was being told to read something I obviously have by people who obviously haven't. Nothing more to it than that.

Ok, fair enough, shutting up.

 

[Bill_Bright]

People are talking about the WCCF article, even quoting it.

That's not what is linked here in OP. What is linked here is a direct refutation of that article.

Okay, I understand your point. And yes, you are correct that the OP's "CULTISTS NETWORK" article is calling out WCCF for their misinformation.

But in my defense, I was responding to the OP's question, "Are 12+4 Pin Connectors safe?"