Are All GHZ Created Equal on CPU's in Gaming

[BarbaricSoul]

No problem

 

[ZweiGaming]

This is what I decided on, I increased my budget by alot more. I believe it will be worth it in the end.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

any particular reason for that specific motherboard?

 

[ZweiGaming]

any particular reason for that specific motherboard?

it was a high rated board on pc part picker and looked good at that price point. should i change it?

 

[rtwjunkie]

Is it possible to overclock that CPU on an H97? I'm pretty sure not, and if not, then the CPU is a waste.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Look for 290X. You might be able to get one for less than that 390. The GPU in 290X is more powerful than 390 at the expense of memory capacity and clock speed.

I put together a computer like yours recently for about the same price but it had:
i7-4790K -> i7-6600K
500 GB SSD -> 250 GB SSD
R9 390 -> R9 285

Virtually all of the savings were in the graphics card. Bare in mind that this generation of graphics cards is exhausted. If you can put off splurging on a card until next year when 16nm and 14nm cards debut, the performance per dollar is going to skyrocket (I'm thinking about 4 times faster for about the same price). I don't know if you're one of those that upgrade frequently but if you aren't, something to consider.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

it was a high rated board on pc part picker and looked good at that price point. should i change it?

Is it possible to overclock that CPU on an H97? I'm pretty sure not, and if not, then the CPU is a waste.

I asked because of what rtwjunkie asked. H97 motherboards don't support OC'ing, you need a Z97 board for OC'ing, otherwise just get the non-K 4790.

Look for 290X. You might be able to get one for less than that 390. The GPU in 290X is more powerful than 390 at the expense of memory capacity and clock speed.

I put together a computer like yours recently for about the same price but it had:
i7-4790K -> i7-6600K
500 GB SSD -> 250 GB SSD
R9 390 -> R9 285

Virtually all of the savings were in the graphics card. Bare in mind that this generation of graphics cards is exhausted. If you can put off splurging on a card until next year when 16nm and 14nm cards debut, the performance per dollar is going to skyrocket (I'm thinking about 4 times faster for about the same price). I don't know if you're one of those that upgrade frequently but if you aren't, something to consider.

The 6600k is an i5, Ford probably meant the 6700k. Personally, I don't think there is enough performance gains with the 6700k over the 4790k to justify spending more than $50 more for the complete build. Up to the OP though as it's thier money. A 6700k build would mean that the memory used will probably be compatible with the OP's next build in a few years though, but that would be the only noticable advantage to the 6700k over the 4790k IMHO.

agreed about the 290X, especially if the OP is only using a 1080p resolution

 

[ZweiGaming]

I asked because of what rtwjunkie asked. H97 motherboards don't support OC'ing, you need a Z97 board for OC'ing, otherwise just get the non-K 4790.



The 6600k is an i5, Ford probably meant the 6700k. Personally, I don't think there is enough performance gains with the 6700k over the 4790k to justify spending more than $50 more for the complete build. Up to the OP though as it's thier money. A 6700k build would mean that the memory used will probably be compatible with the OP's next build in a few years though, but that would be the only noticable advantage to the 6700k over the 4790k IMHO.

agreed about the 290X, especially if the OP is only using a 1080p resolution

is this a better choice rtwjunkie and barbaricsoul?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

A word of warning about Skylake if you go that way: DDR4 is about twice the price of DDR3 for equal density.

 

[ZweiGaming]

A word of warning about Skylake if you go that way: DDR4 is about twice the price of DDR3 for equal density.

no plans for skylake right now

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Yes, that is a better board.

Now about that AIO water cooler, why? Get a high-end air cooler, they work better than the H55, real close to as good as say the H110i, and are more reliable. Only thing that goes bad on air cooling is fans. If one fan dies, you still have cooling as the second fan will still work. AIO water coolers can have pump failures as well as fan failures. If the pump dies, the cooler is trash and has to be replaced. My H60 lasted less than a year before I had to deal with that. I will never buy a AIO over a high-end air heatsink again.

 

[ZweiGaming]

Yes, that is a better board.

Now about that AIO water cooler, why? Get a high-end air cooler, they work better than the H55, real close to as good as say the H110i, and are more reliable. Only thing that goes bad on air cooling is fans. If one fan dies, you still have cooling as the second fan will still work. AIO water coolers can have pump failures as well as fan failures. If the pump dies, the cooler is trash and has to be replaced. My H60 lasted less than a year before I had to deal with that. I will never buy a AIO over a high-end air heatsink again.

any recommendation?

 

[BarbaricSoul]

had one of these in a secondary i7 3930k system I used as a cruncher. Did an excellent job keeping the OC'ed 4.3 GHz 6 core 3930k under 70'c while running at full load 24/7. Just order a 2nd fan for it.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/deepcool-cpu-cooler-lucifer

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856021


Here is my exact recommendation based on what you have said and picked in your builds and posts- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bG68NG

 

[EarthDog]

@ BS - Get a better AIO... Corsair's are junk compared to others.

 

[OneMoar]

@ BS - Get a better AIO... Corsair's are junk compared to others.

AIO's in general are junk ... unless it has a DC2 pump or something

 

[BarbaricSoul]

@ BS - Get a better AIO... Corsair's are junk compared to others.

Why even bother with it when I can get the same results from air coolers for the same amount of money

 

[Mussels]

Why even bother with it when I can get the same results from air coolers for the same amount of money

depending on case layout, it can be a lot easier to mount the radiator than to have a giant chunk of metal blocking access to half your motherboard.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

@Mussels true

 

[ZweiGaming]

depending on case layout, it can be a lot easier to mount the radiator than to have a giant chunk of metal blocking access to half your motherboard.

thats what i was thinking

 

[EarthDog]

AIO's in general are junk ... unless it has a DC2 pump or something

That depends. I have had good luck with a couple of them (and there are seemingly less complaints about them versus Corsair). Thermaltake BigWater 2/3 was solid. NZXT Kraken X61, Switech's units (expensive, but...), EKWB Predator (also expensive and could be considered custom I guess), CM Seidon.... etc.

Why even bother with it when I can get the same results from air coolers for the same amount of money

Because, in general, they are quieter than air... depending on many factors of course so that isn't always true. Now though you are comparing performance, when you were initially talking quality to make a point. Since you suddenly expanded your scope to performance, it more or less becomes a preference.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

I still stand by my recommendation of using high-end air heatsinks over AIO water cooled heatsinks, purely for the higher reliability factor with equal performance

 

[ZweiGaming]

I still stand by my recommendation of using high-end air heatsinks over AIO water cooled heatsinks, purely for the higher reliability factor with equal performance

i think im gonna go with barbaricsoul on this one and take his recommendation.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I still stand by my recommendation of using high-end air heatsinks over AIO water cooled heatsinks, purely for the higher reliability factor with equal performance

Personally, I think this has the added benefit of ensuring some airflow accross the RAM and VRM/s.

 

[EarthDog]

I still stand by my recommendation of using high-end air heatsinks over AIO water cooled heatsinks, purely for the higher reliability factor with equal performance

That is situation dependent (equal performance). The 2x120/14-mm AIOs tend to beat out high end air, at the expense of cost though. As far as reliability, you are correct. Less moving parts = higher reliability. However, there are so many ways to prevent catastrophe in the case of a failure on an AIO, I don't give that much weight in the scheme of things. To me it honestly comes down to the person's goals and budget to determine what is best... to each their own though.

As far as airflow, ok, I can give you that one as well... nothing that proper case airflow can't overcome though. You need it WAY more with AMD FX hex/octo's than Intel, so yet again, it is situation dependent.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

That is situation dependent (equal performance). The 2x120/14-mm AIOs tend to beat out high end air, at the expense of cost though. As far as reliability, you are correct. Less moving parts = higher reliability. However, there are so many ways to prevent catastrophe in the case of a failure on an AIO, I don't give that much weight in the scheme of things. To me it honestly comes down to the person's goals and budget to determine what is best... to each their own though.

As far as airflow, ok, I can give you that one as well... nothing that proper case airflow can't overcome though. You need it WAY more with AMD FX hex/octo's than Intel, so yet again, it is situation dependent.

the H110i only offers 4% better cooling performance over the Lucifer, and only 3% only the DeepCool Assassin I'm currently using on my 3930k, for about half the cost. 3-4% is not going to matter much for everyday OC'ing

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Deepcool/Lucifer/8.html