Are the specs listed under compatible with each other?

[Nixanity]

RX 7800XT : GPU
i5 13600KF : CPU
GA-Z790 AORUS ELITE AX : Motherboard
SAVIO PC Case Prime X1 ARGB GLASS : Case
Kingston FURY Renegade Silver – DDR5 – kit – 32 GB: 2 x 16 GB – DIMM 288-pin – 6400 MHz / PC5-51200 – unbuffered : RAM

 

[Bill_Bright]

This is relatively easy to determine yourself - once you know what to look for.

Almost all motherboard manufacturers maintain what are typically called QVLs (qualified vender lists) for both CPUs and RAM that compatible with that specific board. Your QVL are listed here.

To ensure compatibility, you should use a listed CPU. However, there are too many RAM makers and models for motherboard makers to test and list all. So you don't have to buy listed RAM, but to ensure compatibility, you should buy RAM with the same specs as listed RAM.

Then you need to make sure your graphics card will actually fit the case. For most standard, mid and full tower cases, this it not a problem. You case specs can be seen here (scroll down to see maximum card sizes). You will have to select a specific manufacturer and model to see if yours will fit. Looking at your case, I don't expect there will be any problems.

I am concerned that you have not listed a power supply. The PSU is one area where you should NOT try to trim the budget. I like to say, would you buy a brand new Porsche then fill it up with generic fuel at the corner Tobacco and Bait Shop? Everything inside the case depends on good, clean, stable power so make sure you provide it. Get a quality PSU from a reputable maker. I prefer EVGA and Seasonic. I also recommend 80-Plus "Gold", but if the budget is tight, Bronze will do. Just make sure it has plenty of power.

The right way to determine the proper size needed is to research all the components, determine their maximum power demand, add them all up, and that is the minimum supply you should get. But that takes a lot of time and work. So I recommend using a good PSU calculator and the best and only one I use and recommend is the eXtreme OuterVision PSU Calculator. This will calculate your minimum needs and recommend a suitable size for those needs.

Plug in all your current components. Be sure to plan ahead and include all the hardware you think you might add in 2 or 3 years (extra drives, bigger or second video card, more RAM, etc.).

I recommend setting CPU utilization to 100% and Computer Utilization Time to 16 hours per day. These settings will help compensate for component aging, and add a little extra padding to the results. This will also result in a little cooler and quieter operation.

Note that no calculator wants to recommend a PSU that is underpowered so they all pad the results, some more than others. The eXtreme OuterVision calculator is the most conservative because it is the most flexible while making the fewest assumptions. That's a good thing.

Note that ATX v3.x is the latest version. To ensure the best "future proofing" I recommend making sure any PSU is ATX v3.x.

 

[Nixanity]

This is relatively easy to determine yourself - once you know what to look for.

Almost all motherboard manufacturers maintain what are typically called QVLs (qualified vender lists) for both CPUs and RAM that compatible with that specific board. Your QVL are listed here.

To ensure compatibility, you should use a listed CPU. However, there are too many RAM makers and models for motherboard makers to test and list all. So you don't have to buy listed RAM, but to ensure compatibility, you should buy RAM with the same specs as listed RAM.

Then you need to make sure your graphics card will actually fit the case. For most standard, mid and full tower cases, this it not a problem. You case specs can be seen here (scroll down to see maximum card sizes). You will have to select a specific manufacturer and model to see if yours will fit. Looking at your case, I don't expect there will be any problems.

I am concerned that you have not listed a power supply. The PSU is one area where you should NOT try to trim the budget. I like to say, would you buy a brand new Porsche then fill it up with generic fuel at the corner Tobacco and Bait Shop? Everything inside the case depends on good, clean, stable power so make sure you provide it. Get a quality PSU from a reputable maker. I prefer EVGA and Seasonic. I also recommend 80-Plus "Gold", but if the budget is tight, Bronze will do. Just make sure it has plenty of power.

The right way to determine the proper size needed is to research all the components, determine their maximum power demand, add them all up, and that is the minimum supply you should get. But that takes a lot of time and work. So I recommend using a good PSU calculator and the best and only one I use and recommend is the eXtreme OuterVision PSU Calculator. This will calculate your minimum needs and recommend a suitable size for those needs.

Plug in all your current components. Be sure to plan ahead and include all the hardware you think you might add in 2 or 3 years (extra drives, bigger or second video card, more RAM, etc.).

I recommend setting CPU utilization to 100% and Computer Utilization Time to 16 hours per day. These settings will help compensate for component aging, and add a little extra padding to the results. This will also result in a little cooler and quieter operation.

Note that no calculator wants to recommend a PSU that is underpowered so they all pad the results, some more than others. The eXtreme OuterVision calculator is the most conservative because it is the most flexible while making the fewest assumptions. That's a good thing.

Note that ATX v3.x is the latest version. To ensure the best "future proofing" I recommend making sure any PSU is ATX v3.x.

I appreciate the information, for the specs is 800W enough or do I need more? I don't really understand what to put in the site and I've been looking for a way to find all the information but I can't find anything useful, even if it's not guaranteed I just want to know if 800W will be enough.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

I appreciate the information, for the specs is 800W enough or do I need more? I don't really understand what to put in the site and I've been looking for a way to find all the information but I can't find anything useful, even if it's not guaranteed I just want to know if 800W will be enough.

800 W is totally enough but only if we're talking A or at least B tier units and you ain't planning on extreme overclocking.

Look here: https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Other than that, your build seems reasonable and mutually compatible. There shouldn't be any problems whatsoever.

 

[Bill_Bright]

800 W is totally enough but only if we're talking A or at least B tier units and you ain't planning on extreme overclocking.

Ummm, sorry but that may be misleading. As I noted above, we should always go with "a quality PSU from a reputable maker." No argument there. But even with "extreme overclocking" any decent 800W quality supply is plenty.

@Nixanity - you have not provided all the information needed to accurately determine your power needs. For example, we don't know what type or how many drives you will be using. SSDs (which I recommend) typically use less power than hard drives. HOWEVER, I took the liberty of filling in the calculator fields with 3 hard drives, a Blu-ray drive, and 4 x 120mm case fans (included with that case) and I bumped up the utilizations values too. As you can see here, a nice 700W supply would be plenty big. Remember, all calculators pad the results and I even added a little extra padding.

But again, you may be planning on adding more fans, or swapping in 140mm or adding alternative cooling solutions.

Should you attempt to crank that CPU up to 7GHz (if was possible) you can see here that a quality 750W supply would still suffice.

IMO, with the information we know now, and assuming you are NOT planning on doing any "extreme" overclocking, 800W is a bit overkill for you. That said, it does NOT hurt anything to get a bigger PSU than you need - except, maybe, the budget. I am just pointing out that being open to a smaller PSU may give you more options to choose from. However, not knowing the market in your area, I realize options may be very limited. So again, no harm going bigger than needed if that is your only choice.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

But even with "extreme overclocking" any decent 800W quality supply is plenty.

I think we got different understanding of what extreme overclocking is.

Spoiler: i5-13600K is capable of pushing around 300 W from the wall

and it's not even the limit. You can go for 350 or even 400 W sometimes. Not to mention power spikes which are measured for GPUs but CPUs also have them.

Spoiler: RX 7800 XT can be pushed to 400s of Watts if thoroughly overclocked (we are witnessing the "stock" performance of AsRock SKU

and it's gonna add up. 400 Watts here, 400 Watts there, and we already are beyond our 800 W limit. And we also must feed motherboard, RAM, storages, and other stuff with proper electricity. That's impossible when two components drain up to 400 W each and our PSU is only 800 W.

At stock and "casual" overclocking, 800 W is more than capable. You can even get by with a 600 W device.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I stand by what I said. 800W, in this scenario, is overkill.

Are there "extreme" exceptions. Sure. There always are. But exceptions, especially extreme ones, don't make make the rule.

It is interesting how you cite an example that clearly shows 277W, then decide that's the same as 400W. I think we have a different understanding of what 277W is.

It should also be pointed out that, except with stress tests which intentionally abuse components to see just how far they can go - in other words, NOT real world scenarios - it is extremely rare for both the GPU and CPU to demand maximum power at the exact same point in time. Yes, we still must account for such a rare scenario, but again, 277W is not 400.

@Nixanity - I say again, no harm in going with 800W. And if that is what you want, go for it. But please! Don't assume you need that big. You don't.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

It is interesting how you cite an example that clearly shows 277W

Yes. This is the highest you can achieve by casual overclocking.

then decide that's the same as 400W

What I decided is that 400 W is the case of an extremely overclocked 13600K. Not the same as 277. 277 is a rookie number, just your average OC under a pre-enthusiast level air cooler.

it is extremely rare for both the GPU and CPU to demand maximum power at the exact same point in time.

If it's possible we account it. Better safe than sorry. That's why I said that OP should go for 800 W, UNLESS they are planning to do some extreme shenanigans with their machine.

 

[Bill_Bright]

What I decided...

Oh. What "you" decided. Got it.

Well, then, since you are the master expert here, clearly you need to contact @W1zzard and tell him his Intel i5-13600K review and test results for power consumption is for "rookies" - totally useless for any serious over clocker trying to compare processors.

While at it, contact OuterVision and tell them they don't know what they are talking about either. And neither does AMD since obviously, their padded recommendation of only 700W is grossly underrated too.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Oh. What "you" decided. Got it.

These are your words. You said I decided to equalise 277 to 400, which is untrue to say the least.

since you are the master expert here

I'm just capable enough to understand what these processors can do under extreme overclocking. 277 W figure from W1zzard's review is by no mean extreme, it's just an expected number in the vast majority of more common (and reasonable) overclockers who take low risk at this regard.

700 W figure recommended by AMD is built around shit tier PSUs giving food to an expected, meaning common, relatively low-power system with everything running at stock settings. Why do you think extreme OC can be considered anything remotely close to that, I am yet to know.

Wanna run undervolted, you can probably fit that into 500 W. I doubt you can go lower without serious safety/performance sacrifices.
Wanna run at stock, any good 650+ W PSU is enough.
Wanna have a little bit of OC (whatever possible under mainstream liquid or advanced air cooling), you need 700 W.
Wanna have serious OC (involving advanced liquid cooling or something similar), you better get 750 or even 800 W.
Wanna have extreme OC (liquid metal, phase change materials, extreme liquid coolers with specific coolants instead of water, liquid nitrogen, voltmod, you name it), then it's about your pocket depth but can easily go beyond 1 kW.

 

[Klemc]

OP left long ago now...

 

[Bill_Bright]

I'd hardly call 6 hours a long time - but in any case, he has his answer.

 

[XL-R8R]

I'd hardly call 6 hours a long time - but in any case, he has his answer.

He actually has a book to read, more like.

Your replies total 1024 words (5679 chracters).... have you ever considered condensing your replies to a more concise point? Its clear the OP was/is confused enough, without a monologue (and arguing with other forum users) to add to the issue at hand.



As already stated and taken from TPU reviews:

13600KF all-core OC @ 277w max (164w average over 45 apps tested)
7800XT @ 252w max gaming (318w for a 20ms spike)


Simple answer for the OP would be: "800w psu is enough; choose a good brand". This would have saved a lot of inter-forum arguing.



(my reply contained 112 words and 629 characters)

 

[Bill_Bright]

Simple answer for the OP would be: "800w psu is enough; choose a good brand".

LOL Perhaps if you were not so set on criticizing others, you would have taken the time to read what the OP asked. His topic title and opening post have nothing to do with PSUs!

He asked if his listed components were compatible? I took the time to actually explain and show how the OP and future readers can learn which RAM and CPUs their motherboard supports by explaining QVL. Why? Have you never heard of the Chinese proverb about, "teaching a man to fish?"

What did you do to help the OP? Nothing.

It was me who pointed out he omitted the all important PSU. Then I explained and showed how he (and future readers) can determine the right size PSU for their own computers. What did you do to teach readers how to determine the correct size? Nothing.

But note when he did ask about the PSU size, I immediately said to use a quality PSU and 800W was plenty. So perhaps before joining a thread just to criticize and argue with another, you take a moment to understand the topic, and what is actually asked, and what is said to help the posters.

Your replies total 1024 words (5679 chracters).... have you ever considered condensing your replies to a more concise point? Its clear the OP was/is confused enough, without a monologue (and arguing with other forum users) to add to the issue at hand.

LOL

Nobody forced you to read it - or join a thread just to criticize another poster. If you don't like what others say, just report it instead of trying to play moderator. The mods here know how to do their job very well. And please note, I was not arguing with myself.

As already stated and taken from TPU reviews:

13600KF all-core OC @ 277w max (164w average over 45 apps tested)
7800XT @ 252w max gaming (318w for a 20ms spike)

Right. Note it was not me who said that 277W you just quoted was a "rookie number".

 

[R-T-B]

Gentlemen, you are really splitting hairs over the definition of "extreme" overclocking. On one hand it could mean an LN2 setup. From another perspective it could mean a mildy agressive enthusiast overclock.

800W will indeed only cover one of those, but somehow I doubt this guy is LN2 ocing. So 800W is PLENTY.