AsRock X470 Taichi + Matisse memory

[bug]

I'm looking to get this board for my 3600, but I'm not sure about memory support. I have the sticks in my specs (apparently Hynix), but there's no QVL for Matisse on the official website. I have asked AsRock support, but I have yet to hear from them.
Does anyone have experience with the combo? Does the board run RAM at 3600?

I've also been looking at Asus Prime X470 Pro that's supposedly a little lesser board and that one has a QVL for Matisse and it run my RAM fine. Unfortunately it doesn't have debug leds (it has Q leds which seem to be more of a joke) and that's one feature too many for me to lose.

 

[ne6togadno]

ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate Review

The second generation of AMD Ryzen CPUs have hit the market, and with them comes a wave of new motherboards. The ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate aims at a top spot among them. Has ASRock brought enough to the table to make this board the Ultimate?

www.techpowerup.com

2600x can run 3466 ram.
3600 with improved mc shouldnt have problems to run 3600 ram

 

[bug]

ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate Review

The second generation of AMD Ryzen CPUs have hit the market, and with them comes a wave of new motherboards. The ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate aims at a top spot among them. Has ASRock brought enough to the table to make this board the Ultimate?

www.techpowerup.com

2600x can run 3466 ram.
3600 with improved mc shouldnt have problems to run 3600 ram

It's not the memory controller that worries me. I've read somewhere that memory traces on that board may not be the best. I don't remember where and it was just one account, but it's enough to make me want to seek confirmation before spending the cash (in case you're wondering, returning products is a bit of a hassle over here - i.e. the seller can flat out refuse it and it can take months before you sort it out).

Edit: Though is the 2600X can do 3466, most likely the board is up to 3600 as well. Worst case scenario, I'll be running the memory at 3466 which is not a big loss.

 

[ne6togadno]

Worst case scenario, I'll be running the memory at 3466 which is not a big loss.

indeed

edit:
my mb didnt liked xmp profile but manually selecting rated speed of ram from the dropdown in bios worked right away.

 

[Zach_01]

I dont want to bash AsRock nor do I have anything against, but most issues here regarding RAM are with AsRock boards. And the RAM QVL listed on every board page is a complete copy-paste thing. They never really test all of those sticks for every board... FYI.

I see the X470 Taichi is priced 200$ on pcpartpicker.

For around same price (210$) you can get the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite WIFI. Or 180$ the nonWIFI. A very solid option.
The ASUS TUF Gaming X570Plus WIFI for 190$ is also a nice board.
For a little more (230$) the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro WIFI is really nice.

IMHO for X570 to the 150~190$ range ASUS is the only way to go
200~250$ ASUS/Gigabyte and over 250$ the map is changed and mixed. All brands have nice options...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I dont want to bash AsRock nor do I have anything against, but most issues here regarding RAM are with AsRock boards. And the RAM QVL listed on every board page is a complete copy-paste thing. They never really test all of those sticks for every board... FYI.

I see the X470 Taichi is priced 200$ on pcpartpicker.

For around same price (210$) you can get the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite WIFI. Or 180$ the nonWIFI. A very solid option.
The ASUS TUF Gaming X570Plus WIFI for 190$ is also a nice board.
For a little more (230$) the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro WIFI is really nice.

IMHO for X570 to the 150~190$ range ASUS is the only way to go
200~250$ ASUS/Gigabyte and over 250$ the map is changed and mixed. All brands have nice options...

I would go with any or these boards over the Taichi....

 

[Deleted member 158293]

I have 32 GB with 4 sticks of B-die ram oc'd to 3600 cl14 on my TaiChi x470 which has been running 24/7 since release no problem.

Very solid board, changed the wifi card to WiFi 6 for $15.

Some X570 boards are nice too.

 

[bug]

I dont want to bash AsRock nor do I have anything against, but most issues here regarding RAM are with AsRock boards. And the RAM QVL listed on every board page is a complete copy-paste thing. They never really test all of those sticks for every board... FYI.

I see the X470 Taichi is priced 200$ on pcpartpicker.

For around same price (210$) you can get the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite WIFI. Or 180$ the nonWIFI. A very solid option.
The ASUS TUF Gaming X570Plus WIFI for 190$ is also a nice board.
For a little more (230$) the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro WIFI is really nice.

IMHO for X570 to the 150~190$ range ASUS is the only way to go
200~250$ ASUS/Gigabyte and over 250$ the map is changed and mixed. All brands have nice options...

I'm trying hard to justify an X570 board, but they're too expensive. And going with a sub-$200 X570, I'd be losing too many features compared to my current board.
I'll take a look at your suggestions, but afaik TUF is usually pretty crappy. And I already know Prime doesn't have the features I want, it's unlikely TUF does.

Edit: Gigabyte doesn't have diagnostic leds and uses 128Mbit BIOS (though the Aorus Pro seems to be one of the rare boards to actually feature dual-BIOS). The Pro is also way too expensive here.

 

[ne6togadno]

check buildzoid's channel. he has a round up videos for am4 mbs.

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm trying hard to justify an X570 board, but they're too expensive. And going with a sub-$200 X570, I'd be losing too many features compared to my current board.
I'll take a look at your suggestions, but afaik TUF is usually pretty crappy. And I already know Prime doesn't have the features I want, it's unlikely TUF does.

Don't be that guy. Judge a board by its own merit, not a meaningless name that an AIB has applied to it. The TUF 5700s and 400-series boards are garbage; the TUF X570 is a strong value proposition. Specs are just a click away on manufacturer pages and the AM4 database; you haven't elaborated on what features are you looking for?

The Prime is the most stripped down board, yet has a damn strong power delivery for its position in the X570 stack, shared with the TUF.

The 2 TUFs have, like other X570s, two M.2s that support 4.0 x4 simultaneously with no bandwidth sharing. The X470 Taichi, being X470, cripples that second slot to 2.0 x2, and bandwidth shares with the bottommost x16 slot (of dubious significance). Even barring future use of 4.0 drives when they become practical, that 2.0 x2 interface sucks even now. I don't think that second M.2 supports SATA, either.

Reasons to take the Taichi would be arguably better NIC (any Intel i21x spanks Realtek in reliability and has always done so), wifi (shitty card that should be replaced if you rely on Wifi, and the TUF has a Wifi variant), and marginally better audio (1220 vs simplified 1220 (1200)). Taichi has more rear panel USB-As and one C.

The memory issue on the Taichi is that it's T-topology and not daisychained. In practical terms, it limits slightly the freq that you can run your DDR4, though not significantly. And you're on Ryzen 3000 so not dreaming of 4000MT/s+ speeds and limited by your 1:1 FCLK, so unless somebody shows me evidence that the Taichi cripples the ability to hit 3600-3800MT/s 1:1 on account of being T-topology, I don't see an issue.

 

[bug]

@tabascosauz Oh, I'm not dismissing anything and I have already looked at what feels like a zillion boards. I will look at the TUF as well.
What I absolutely need is diagnostic leds, at least 2 M.2 slots (I currently have 3) and a surefire way to update the BIOS.
What I don't care about is WiFi, sound, PCIe4, Intel LAN and a fan on the southbridge.
Nice to haves: dual-BIOS, on board power on and reset buttons.

I'm basically describing my current motherboard here, but apparently these features are nearly impossible to come by in 2020 On top of that (and that's what started this thread), Zen needs memory to run fast. Really fast.

 

[pcwolf]

I am on Asrock X470 Taichi and currently have 4x8Gb Team Dark Pro 3200Mhz @ 14-14-14-31 using XMP 2.0. Rock solid.
Asrock strung me and everyone else out waiting for full UEFI bios update to AGESA 1004AB finally released 2/4/2020.
Now that it is here, however, performance is reliable. Makes me hungry for more

I caught the fever and now want to pursue DDR4 tuning to the margins in pursuit of the mythical "sweet spot".

I have some Team 4133Mhz 18-18-18-38 kits coming. What are the odds I can tune to 3733Mhz CL16? Because that is what it will take to make it worthwhile.

Anyone been there ahead of me? How did you do it?

 

[Zach_01]

What are the odds I can tune to 3733Mhz CL16? Because that is what it will take to make it worthwhile.

High...
Unless your motherboard has different opinion. As @tabascosauz said previously Asrock boards use T-topology for wiring RAM to CPU. This could affect RAM OC.
I guess you dont have that 4133 ram yet.

 

[pcwolf]

No sir. Delivery next week. Cracking my knuckles in anticipation of getting down to work.

 

[tabascosauz]

No sir. Delivery next week. Cracking my knuckles in anticipation of getting down to work.

T-topology generally means a slight reduction in absolute maximum frequency that you can achieve on the upper end. Think Intel platform, region of 4000MT/s plus.

On Zen 2, you're not hitting 4000+ with IF at 1:1, which is a requisite for decent latency and performance. Even at MT/s in the high 4000s to 5000, you never quite make up all of the performance loss of dropping to 2:1 IF.

Knowing all that, 3733 (1867 IF/UCLK) is what you're looking at on 3900X/3950X. 3800 (1900 IF/UCLK) if the silicon gods are smiling on you, 3600 (1800 IF/UCLK) if they aren't. Given that and what we know about the limits of T-topology, I don't see an issue here. T-topology itself only affects MT/s, not timings or performance.

When you see user reports that the X470 Taichi can't hit 3600, look for the timestamp on the post. Chances are, the post is a relic of the Ryzen 2000 era, where the Pinnacle memory controllers were literally broadly incapable of reaching 3600MT/s. In the Zen 2 era, being unable to hit 1800 IF/3600 MTs is the fault of the kit itself, or quality of the memory controller (rare for 3900X/3950X).

 

[pcwolf]

So ... another question, if you don't mind:

1) 4133Mhz 18-18-18-38 with 2:1
2) 3800Mhz 16-16-16-32 with 1:1

1, or 2?

Or perhaps, 1a) Try to overclocking to 4500Mhz 2:1

 

[moproblems99]

So ... another question, if you don't mind:

1) 4133Mhz 18-18-18-38 with 2:1
2) 3800Mhz 16-16-16-32 with 1:1

1, or 2?

Or perhaps, 1a) Try to overclocking to 4500Mhz 2:1

3800 1:1 and then work on lowering timings.

 

[pcwolf]

Thank you

DRAM calc suggest flat 16 for "Fast"

The new RAM is now installed and running at 3733

 

[PolRoger]

So ... another question, if you don't mind:

1) 4133Mhz 18-18-18-38 with 2:1
2) 3800Mhz 16-16-16-32 with 1:1

1, or 2?

Or perhaps, 1a) Try to overclocking to 4500Mhz 2:1

I'd start at 3600C16 (1/1) first and then work up towards 3733/3800C16 (1/1) and then tune timings.


From "tbs" above:
"Knowing all that, 3733 (1867 IF/UCLK) is what you're looking at on 3900X/3950X. 3800 (1900 IF/UCLK) if the silicon gods are smiling on you, 3600 (1800 IF/UCLK) if they aren't."