Sunlight91
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I think it's a great innovation for next-gen when GPUs move to PCIe5. Even high-end cards should be fine with PCIe5 x8.
would be limited to x8 then regardless since x12 isn't possible (yet)It's a sexy option on the lowest end card I would never buy. How about a 4090 or 4080 with that M.2 slot?
I'd probably store just my games on a 4TH SSD in that slot.
There are probably some people looking to build an ITX system, who would appreciate the extra slotNo one in their right mind should buy this. But Envision a future where storage speeds have advanced to the extent that they can seamlessly function as both VRAM and RAM.
No one in their right mind should buy this. But Envision a future where storage speeds have advanced to the extent that they can seamlessly function as both VRAM and RAM.
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Video Card(s) | RTX 4080 |
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What I meant was that an SSD doesn't magically add more VRAM or boost performance in other ways.Then why do you note it as a con that it cuts into the power budget if it makes no impact on performance? It's not really a con if you don't notice a difference. Plus, NVMe SSDs don't use that much power compared to a GPU.
Yes you can boot from it, I've tested it. It's mentioned in the review@W1zzard, dumb question and sorry if it was answered in your review and I missed it -- can the drive be used as a boot drive?
How can you know that? I know it can split lanes on multiple slots i dont know if it can split them on the GPU slot.does your board support bifurcation? if yes, then yes it'll work
if not, then no it won't
is what you're looking for. the x8x8 option (you've got x4x4x4x4 currently selected)PCI_E1 Lanes Configuration
I know , that was the reason of my first question. The picture is from google , my MB is set to x16 ofcis what you're looking for. the x8x8 option (you've got x4x4x4x4 currently selected)
do keep in mind that b450 is terminal pcie3.0. it might bottleneck your gpu on x8.
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You are looking most likely at single digit loss between PCIE 3 and PCIE 4 even with higher end cards so an 8x "bottleneck" wouldnt really be anyting until you hit 4090s/7900xtxI know , that was the reason of my first question. The picture is from google , my MB is set to x16 ofc
Edit: Would be nice if someone could MOD the B450 BIOS to enable PCIE 4.0 , as far as i remember they had PCIE 4.0 enabled at some point (i think it was before releasing newer BIOS with ZEN 3 support), it would make some sense to get this GPU in this situation.
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Educating is one thing, just listing it as a con is another. The point is well taken, but it's probably not worth mentioning. I guess my point is that I don't really see a con here other than putting a SSD near a heat generating component or not giving the GPU all 16 lanes. I suspect that populating those two M.2s probably has zero impact on overclocking.What I meant was that an SSD doesn't magically add more VRAM or boost performance in other ways.
Power budget will be a con for some enthusiasts and overclockers. It would have been easy to design the circuit differently, so SSD power gets ignored by the NVIDIA power limiter (just grab 12 V from before the shunts, not after them).
Yes, SSD power is very low, and it probably won't make a difference for most scenarios, but I still find it important to educate people about the fact, especially considering that all other reviewers missed it.
SSD on a GPU is not new. AMD did that with their Radeon Pro SSG. I guess games are not constrained as much by storage to GPU transfers.I could see a use case in having a shared computer. You just swap out the Graphics card which holds the OS on the GPU itself.
Other then that; having space for extra storage (think of budget boards) is always welcome.
It's just one of the neat engineering things company's like Asus brings. More should do that.
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RTX 4060 Ti is generally a bit pricey
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This product almost looked like a truly innovative idea (who wouldn't want to use some unused lanes for an extra m.2), until this point.
- SSD power usage eats into GPU power budget
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TBH its a 4060ti is it majorly power limited? Also is the 5/10 watts an SSD takes going to make/break it?This product almost looked like a truly innovative idea (who wouldn't want to use some unused lanes for an extra m.2), until this point.
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It's more about the principle. Why does the SSD have to eat into the GPU's power limit?TBH its a 4060ti is it majorly power limited? Also is the 5/10 watts an SSD takes going to make/break it?
Waiting for a 3 slot m.2 gpu card
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Ouch. If I didn't know that and I had this board, I'd be seriously bummed, not to mention pissed.W1zzard said:First, the ASUS Z790 Dark Hero, released just weeks ago. ... With this motherboard you can not use the SSD on the RTX 4060 Ti.
Reboot and Select proper Boot deviceI keep imagining someone selling their GPU and forgetting the m.2 is in there.
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It was toppled from that position by the 4060Ti 16GB... But if you want to pick a bad card from the current lineup, you can just take your pick,"NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4060 Ti has been on the market since early summer and has established itself at the go-to choice for GeForce gamers in the midrange segment."
Say what? Is this the same RTX 4060 Ti that was chided for being the worst value card of its generation?