ASUS Radeon RX 470 STRIX OC 4 GB

[rruff]

Trolls always quote 24/7 gaming usage.

Now who is trolling...

 

[SputzNiz]

Just save a bit of cash and get the RX 480, because currently the RX 470 doesn't seem to be competitive enough due to the fact that the RX 480 4GB version is only $19 more

 

[N3M3515]

Trolls, huh? Paying the bills take away all the fun from the gaming, dude. Just because it doesn't matte to you doesn't mean it is not an important aspect for many to consider while making a purchase decision. A few watts here and there can pile up to quite a bit at the end of the month, and like I said before, the bills aren't same for everybody. In my locality it can vary from 2 USD a month to 60 USD and more. To us that is a significant amount to consider. If you want hard data with numbers, here's a page for you Einsteins to do some calculation before making "oh it's a trivial matter , why bother mentioning" remarks.

60 bucks?, where's the info?
I still haven't seen any numbers on how playing 3 - 4 hours a day with a rx 470 will increase your power bill by up to 60 friggin bucks a year!

I'm not saying it isn't important but wasn't a 160w card an economical one?
By that standard nobody should have recomended hawaii or tahiti at all...

Nobody has provided any credible information.

 

[rruff]

Nobody has provided any credible information.

I provided information, and you can get the power data from TPU. If you've graduated grade school, you should be capable of running the numbers.

 

[xorbe]

Seriously, can you guys migrate to a dedicated power and cost thread.

 

[GoldenX]

People of different countries, with different costs per watt, arguing...

 

[Braustard]

So guys, let's get back to the main topic

I think the price of the RX 470 is just too close to its bigger brother's, in my opinion paying another $20 dlls to get the RX 480 instead the RX 470 sounds more feasible than paying $50 extra bucks to get the GTX 1060 instead the RX 480 4GB.

Have a good day

 

[Sempron Guy]

what's even asus thinking setting the temp limit to 60c???

 

[Nabarun]

60 bucks?, where's the info?
I still haven't seen any numbers on how playing 3 - 4 hours a day with a rx 470 will increase your power bill by up to 60 friggin bucks a year!

I'm not saying it isn't important but wasn't a 160w card an economical one?
By that standard nobody should have recomended hawaii or tahiti at all...

Nobody has provided any credible information.

Do try to read the posts with an open brain. I have provided you the link to the official govt's page with tariff details. And I don't run my PC for 3-4 hours a day. I reboot about once a week . It runs 24x7x365. Not JUST for gaming. And the bill I mentioned is quarterly - not yearly. About Rs. 12000 INR in 3 months usually during the summer. So about 60 USD per month or >700 USD annually. And that happens because of OTHER things like AC, pump motor, fans, refrigerator etc, not just the GPU, but the GPU plays quite a substantial part in making that consumption cross vital thresholds to increase the cost per watt. If you are interested in anything but trolling, the numbers are there, but EVEN that's not the whole story - there are usually more costs involved. If the government's published tariffs aren't credible for you, I don't know what is.

Getting back on topic, the 4GB RX 480 isn't available here. The 8 GB 480 is priced about the same as the 6GB GTX 1060, and the 1060 is an obvious choice at so many levels. But I think all these cards are still priced a bit too high here. They are priced at 344 USD for the 480 and 334 USD for the 1060.

ATM I think I will wait for more stuff to come out, like the 1050/1050ti and 490/490x etc. Hopefully the prices will come down a bit.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Do try to read the posts with an open brain. I have provided you the link to the official govt's page with tariff details. And I don't run my PC for 3-4 hours a day. I reboot about once a week . It runs 24x7x365. Not JUST for gaming. And the bill I mentioned is quarterly - not yearly. About Rs. 12000 INR in 3 months usually during the summer. So about 60 USD per month or >700 USD annually. And that happens because of OTHER things like AC, pump motor, fans, refrigerator etc, not just the GPU, but the GPU plays quite a substantial part in making that consumption cross vital thresholds to increase the cost per watt. If you are interested in anything but trolling, the numbers are there, but EVEN that's not the whole story - there are usually more costs involved. If the government's published tariffs aren't credible for you, I don't know what is.
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This is a silly argument, I'm sorry to say it.

If you are so hard up that you have to worry about the running costs of your own refrigerator, may I advise that you don't spend $200 on a luxury item for your circumstance like a graphics card? And then in any case, 120-150W is tiny power consumption.

I don't want to sound like an a-hole. BUT, you assume the type of people that read TPU have some disposable income to buy the expensive tech that the site reviews. Not people who worry how much money their power generator is consuming each month. You are an extreme outlier to the norm and are making an argument against the card because of your extreme circumstance.

 

[Nabarun]

This is a silly argument, I'm sorry to say it.

If you are so hard up that you have to worry about the running costs of your own refrigerator, may I advise that you don't spend $200 on a luxury item for your circumstance like a graphics card? And then in any case, 120-150W is tiny power consumption.

I don't want to sound like an a-hole. BUT, you assume the type of people that read TPU have some disposable income to buy the expensive tech that the site reviews. Not people who worry how much money their power generator is consuming each month. You are an extreme outlier to the norm and are making an argument against the card because of your extreme circumstance.

Nope. Nope. That was a general argument about the problems of over-usage of electricity by users from around the globe. And again, do read my post again and try to understand the point. YOU may not have to worry about an extra 50 watts or so for a couple of hours a day, but me and people like me who are basically the majority of potential buyers of cards at this price do. You don't care? Go buy the card. I'm not forbidding you to. I expressed MY opinion on the basis of MY realities. Don't like it? OK, I"ll try to shed some tears.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Nope. Nope. That was a general argument about the problems of over-usage of electricity by users from around the globe. And again, do read my post again and try to understand the point. YOU may not have to worry about an extra 50 watts or so for a couple of hours a day, but me and people like me who are basically the majority of potential buyers of cards at this price do. You don't care? Go buy the card. I'm not forbidding you to. I expressed MY opinion on the basis of MY realities. Don't like it? OK, I"ll try to shed some tears.

Nope, now you are coming out with false claims.

People that have an income which means they are worried about the power consumption of their refrigerator are clearly NOT the majority of potential buyers of this card (I'm sorry to keep bringing up that refrigerator point but you made that comment so ). That's absurd. I can't imagine Raja Kadouri sitting down when this card was being designed and this was the target audience he had in mind, can you? If you can prove otherwise, go ahead.

Secondly, 50-watts extra power usage over 2 hours per day (your usage), for the real majority of potential buyers of this card, is so inconsequential that it is a ridiculous point of contention against a Polaris card versus the Pascal equivalent. If you said the extra heat from the higher tdp was a concern as you had an ITX case that would be understandable.

That's my last post on the subject.

 

[64K]

GPU power draw is a concern for people who pay a lot per kWh or who pay progressively more per kWh depending on how much they use. I can certainly understand that. Especially if it starts straining your budget just to play games.

It's not really much of a factor here in the USA where we pay 12 cents per kWh on average (I pay 10 cents). The extra 50 watts for me gaming on average 15 hours a week adds 33 cents a month to my power bill. Over the lifespan of a card for me (about 2 years) it adds about $8 to the overall cost of the card.

I don't leave my computer on when it's doing nothing but if I did then idle draw isn't a factor compared to a Nvidia card but if I were using the card for something like Folding 24/7 then power draw would definitely be an issue for me.

 

[Nabarun]

Nope, now you are coming out with false claims.

People that have an income which means they are worried about the power consumption of their refrigerator are clearly NOT the majority of potential buyers of this card (I'm sorry to keep bringing up that refrigerator point but you made that comment so ). That's absurd. I can't imagine Raja Kadouri sitting down when this card was being designed and this was the target audience he had in mind, can you? If you can prove otherwise, go ahead.

Secondly, 50-watts extra power usage over 2 hours per day (your usage), for the real majority of potential buyers of this card, is so inconsequential that it is a ridiculous point of contention against a Polaris card versus the Pascal equivalent. If you said the extra heat from the higher tdp was a concern as you had an ITX case that would be understandable.

That's my last post on the subject.

Obviously you don't have the brains to do the simple math or understand the point I was trying to make while mentioning the freezer. And AFAIK, most gamers don't play for just 2 hours a day. That "2 hours" I mentioned was in reference to a previous poster who said that 2 hours of gaming and 50 watts or so extra shouldn't be a thing to talk about. It's not. Because it's not 2 hours and bills matter to a LOT of people where the tariffs are high.

 

[rruff]

It's not really much of a factor here in the USA where we pay 12 cents per kWh on average (I pay 10 cents). The extra 50 watts for me gaming on average 15 hours a week adds 33 cents a month to my power bill. Over the lifespan of a card for me (about 2 years) it adds about $8 to the overall cost of the card.

For your situation it is pretty small, but $8 could be a swing factor on a <$200 card (ie one more thing to consider). For me the difference in idle, multimonitor, and video makes a big difference. My computer is on 24/7 and runs security cameras and backups and scans when I'm not in front of it. Plus I use it to play videos using dual monitors. So even at cheap US prices Nvidia always comes out a better value by a good amount.

I'm probably at the high side of AMD vs Nvidia power difference even though I don't game much. Everyone's situation is different.

If anyone wants to do their own calculations: At 11.4 cents/KW-hr, the cost is $1/W/yr for 24/7 use. So for a random example say you pay that rate, you are considering RX 480 vs GTX 1060 and your use is as follows:

Computer on for 6 hrs/day total.
2hrs gaming: 163W vs 116W = 47W... *2/24= $3.92/yr
2hrs video: 39W vs 6W = 33W... *2/24= $2.75/yr
2hr idle: 15w vs 5W = 10W... *2/24= $.83/yr

Total= $7.50/yr.

Say you own it for 2 years, so the RX 480 has ~$15 higher electric cost. Then you sell on ebay for 50% of retail (including fees). The 1060 is $249 new, the 480 is $239, so your relative card costs are $124.50 on the 1060 and $119.50 plus $15 on the 480, or $134.50. The 480 actually costs $10 more even though it is initially $10 cheaper. That is a "hidden" $20 cost. And it's at cheap US rates, in the EU it would be around $40 on average.

IMO even at cheap US electric rates, it is a big enough factor that it shouldn't be ignored by most people. And AMD is really banking on most people ignoring it.

Data taken from here: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/RX_480_Gaming_X/21.html

 

[xorbe]

Penny wise, pound foolish ...

 

[rruff]

Penny wise, pound foolish ...

For someone who purports to dislike discussions about power consumption, you sure do troll away on the subject. I finally get it. What you dislike is people dashing your irrational belief that it doesn't matter.

 

[HD64G]

Out of 15 titles in the test, this card won't do 60FPS in 8. At 1920x1080. With another 2 hovering a little above 60, just because this card has modified power limits.
Maybe it's just me, but this card doesn't make much sense at any price point.

Not all gamers on a budget need to play at 60FPS average at 1080P. So, it is just you and a few others that aren't on a budget

 

[64K]

Not all gamers on a budget need to play at 60FPS average at 1080P. So, it is just you and a few others that aren't on a budget

That's true and looking at the Steam Hardware Survey a lot of people are reporting gaming at less than 1080p resolutions as well.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

[Ricki Martin]

The price looks okay....for me

 

[raptori]

Unfortunately I bought the card only to see this afterward :

It's seems measuring temperature on the GPU alone isn't sufficient enough anymore , I'll try to return the card as this like a timed bomb , any advice is really appreciated as I doubt the seller will accept to return the card but I'll try anyway .

 

[Jism]

VRM's can run up to even 120 degrees. I'm not sure why your worried about. If those temps where really a problem your card woud'nt last for a year.

VRM's convert 12V DC to 1.3v DC basicly (whatever the GPU requires) and within converting there's loss of energy that's put out to heat. Thats what you see. The more amps the GPU requires the 'hotter' those VRM's get.

But those VRM's simply 'clock down' the moment they pass a certain temperature. There are various fixes to keep your VRM cool:

1: heatsink
2: fan
3: better case flow

I have a 480X and i have option 3 going on It does'nt sweat the card at all. They can safely go beyond 80 degrees.

Finally... "Torture loop" > is there any game on the planet able to reproduce such amount of load / heat applied to the card? This is a extreme condition. Not a game in the world is able to match this.

 

[xorbe]

wccftech posters spilling over into tpu

 

[raptori]

Finally... "Torture loop" > is there any game on the planet able to reproduce such amount of load / heat applied to the card? This is a extreme condition. Not a game in the world is able to match this.

Yes , Doom 2016 in the 1st picture .

 

[Jism]

Trust me, your VRM is 'fine'. The cooling profile is programmed to keep it within range. If that 90+ degrees was'nt healthy your card woud'nt have X years of warranty.

Back in the days, the 295X2 ran much hotter then this thing.

105 degrees. VRM's are designed to run up to 120 degrees.