Batman Returns

[Space Lynx]

Was hoping it would remain a tropical storm. Dammit! Must begin storm preparations.

Hate living in Florida.

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at least cat 3 is manageable, lets just hope it doesn't turn into cat4 at last second... then robin returns to snuggle batman? ; ;

 

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at least cat 3 is manageable, lets just hope it doesn't turn into cat4 at last second... then robin returns to snuggle batman? ; ;

Our roof is Cat 3 compliant, but they usually project out to cat 4 and cat 5 - likely to see over the next 48hrs. Then Saturday it might downgrade or turn north.

For now, just got back from Publix supermarket, got the last 12gallons of water (except for baby formula water), had to get 6 distilled at a premium price, but at least it's water. Already 10 gallons in the house, so should be ok.

The bread, lunchmeat snack shelves almost empty, by tonight there will be nothing for those arriving late.

Sometimes, they do make special advanced deliveries of extra drinking water when storms approach, likely by Friday, buuut I'd lose sleep, my ocd, over that scenario, lol.

Some basics, will go back tomorrow 7am for more umm comfort - storm foods.

...What the hell is orange soda for? don't ask. lol

a special hurricane adult beverage recipe we've concocted over the years with pineapple juice. Our 3-year old will be at grandma's-grandpa's - wink wink nudge nudge say no more.

 

[Space Lynx]

Our roof it Cat 3 compliant, but they usually project out to cat 4 and cat 5 - likely to see over the next 48hrs. Then Saturday it might downgrade or turn north.

For now, just got back from Publix supermarket, got the last 12gallons of water (except for baby formula water), had to get distilled at a premium price, but at least it's water. Already 10gallons in the house, so should be ok.

The bread, lunchmeat snack shelves almost empty, by tonight there will be nothing for those arriving late.

Sometimes, they do make special advanced deliveries of extra drinking water when storms approach, likely by Friday, buuut I'd lose sleep, my ocd, over that scenario, lol.

hopefully your wife will reward you for being so diligent in your hunting and foraging duties.

 

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hopefully your wife will reward you for being so diligent in your hunting and foraging duties.

Still only girlfriend status right now, but we've been together since Summer of 2012, the 3770K - ROG Maximus V Extreme days. Back then, she didn't want to get married, neither did I, so she created a superstitious date marked into the extreme future that gave her comfort. Ten Ten Twenty Twenty, 10-10-2020.

So I guess the wedding is next year on some fictitious storybook mountaintop somewhere in the Rocky Mountains. lolol.

Going out for many more errands.

 

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I've known the IndustrialPPC for a long time; maybe it's my preference for the beige fans that keeps me from buying one . Though it's probably because the M1 doesn't support 140mm fans, and the NF-F12 is vastly inferior to the NF-A14 on efficiency and noise. I had a PWM A14 in my old Z97MX-Gaming 5 / R9 280X build; it's wonderful.

Apparently, the NF-A12 is supposed to be the bee's knees, so if Noctua comes out with an IndustrialPPC A12 I'll be all over that like flies on a turd. A black 120mm that doesn't scream like a monkey at higher speeds and can actually pull air through a restrictive surface? Shut up and take my money!

I hope Noctua took that picture in a blacked-out lightbox, hence the dark reflection on the contact plate. Also, "coming soon" for Noctua can mean "sometime in the next two decades" so......waiting for Noctua products feels a little like waiting for GM to produce a HD truck without torsion bar IFS......well maybe not, since the 2020s finally aren't T-bar anymore ahahah.

Wait a minute. Did you say you were building in one of these?

Those tiny little coke can size comparison cases? That must be quite challenging.

I measured the NH-C14S for a CaseLabs BH4 Bullet at one time, and it was a barely fit, but the M1? The M1 is pretty and all I will say that.

This Streacom DA2 in black (second pic) is also nice looking, and mini-ITX, this photo is the vented panel version. Also, a window panel variant sold separately. I emailed the company and asked about a 3rd version I'd seen at Computex which uses the side panels as heat sink fins for the CPU and GPU cooling via heatpipes, so no fan mounted cooler needed. They replied - availability later this year.

$210 for the M1, $219 for the DA2, about the same.

 

[tabascosauz]

Wait a minute. Did you say you were building in one of these?

Yessir. It ain't easy being mini. But you get used to it after a while I'm manhandling 6AWG copper into enclosures about that size at the place I work right now, so my hands could do a whole lot worse than building in the M1. One of these weekends, I'll find time to take an updated picture of it on its own.

Chosen specifically to fit into this ol' girl:



I don't want to give up this setup I've had for 4.5 years, but I also want a NH-U12A for stronk cooling. Depending on if AMD gets its shit together and changes this ridiculous crack cocaine boost algorithm of Ryzen 3000, and what Intel brings next year, this may be the shortest stint any new platform has ever seen being in Ol' Beastie.


Hopefully the storm will tame down before it gets there, and y'all still get some quality at-home time

 

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Yessir. It ain't easy being mini. But you get used to it after a while I'm manhandling 6AWG copper into enclosures about that size at the place I work right now, so my hands could do a whole lot worse than building in the M1. One of these weekends, I'll find time to take an updated picture of it on its own.

Chosen specifically to fit into this ol' girl:

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I don't want to give up this setup I've had for 4.5 years, but I also want a NH-U12A for stronk cooling. Depending on if AMD gets its shit together and changes this ridiculous crack cocaine boost algorithm of Ryzen 3000, and what Intel brings next year, this may be the shortest stint any new platform has ever seen being in Ol' Beastie.


Hopefully the storm will tame down before it gets there, and y'all still get some quality at-home time

Hold on now, is that a pelican case computer chassis?

YES, take some photos, many of your M1 rig and place/post them up here in this thread bro!

 

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Oh God No!

 

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Had to put on some technical videos to get my mind off the current state of affairs.

Here, Buildzoid attempts to explain the Ryzen 3000 memory system:

I was wondering why the best Ryzen 3000 AIDA 64 memory latency values were way up around 64ns vs Intel's best values closer to 34ns and 37ns.

 

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I was wondering why the best Ryzen 3000 AIDA 64 memory latency values were way up around 64ns vs Intel's best values closer to 34ns and 37ns.

Yeah it's a shame it's all held back by memory or it'd be a real beast.

 

[tabascosauz]

Had to put on some technical videos to get my mind off the current state of affairs.

Here, Buildzoid attempts to explain the Ryzen 3000 memory system:

I was wondering why the best Ryzen 3000 AIDA 64 memory latency values were way up around 64ns vs Intel's best values closer to 34ns and 37ns.

Anandtech's had a breakdown of 3900X and 3700X at launch, and basically it was about tradeoffs. You get 2x the L3 compared to previous Ryzen, but Intel's L3 is unified. You get better prefetcher behaviour, but you sacrifice DRAM latency compared to Ryzen 2000 in doing so. Not that Ryzen had brilliant DRAM performance to begin with, so......

Overall, I'm pretty neutral about this purchase - read: not the greatest decision I've made. I've been locked into Core for so long that a lot of things I've simply taken for granted, like strong IMCs, traditional boost and TDP behaviour, etc. Locking the 3700X into 4.0GHz manually does bring a lot more stability, comfort and familiarity to the platform, but that also means I don't get everything I paid for.

I probably should have gone with the 9700K instead, but in Q4 2019 there's no way I'm now still paying premium prices for Coffee Lake-R. We'll see.

 

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Yeah it's a shame it's all held back by memory or it'd be a real beast.

Ryzen 3000 AIDA 64 memory latency of 64 ns is kinda high compared to the Trident Z Royal Silver 4600Mhz kit with my 8086K using Intel's ring bus and some manual settings.

4100Mhz 14-14-14-34

20.3 nanoseconds



Everyone keeps telling me if I would only increase my ring bus OC from 45 to 49 I'd get lower values, but I think it's a-ok.

 

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Anandtech's had a breakdown of 3900X and 3700X at launch, and basically it was about tradeoffs. You get 2x the L3 compared to previous Ryzen, but Intel's L3 is unified. You get better prefetcher behaviour, but you sacrifice DRAM latency compared to Ryzen 2000 in doing so. Not that Ryzen had brilliant DRAM performance to begin with, so......

Overall, I'm pretty neutral about this purchase - read: not the greatest decision I've made. I've been locked into Core for so long that a lot of things I've simply taken for granted, like strong IMCs, traditional boost and TDP behaviour, etc. Locking the 3700X into 4.0GHz manually does bring a lot more stability, comfort and familiarity to the platform, but that also means I don't get everything I paid for.

I probably should have gone with the 9700K instead, but in Q4 2019 there's no way I'm now still paying premium prices for Coffee Lake-R. We'll see.

Have to agree, the entire 9900K 9700K solder fiasco - increase the die thickness which adds an insulative effect to the thermal conduit in order to support the iridium (indium) solder which was supposed to add an increased conductive effect vs standard paste TIM - seems as if the two not only cancelled one another out but favored the insulative effect.

Wish Intel had simply used paste, but who am I?

Hoping they either return to standard paste TIM or improved the solder application for Comet Lake and Rocket Lake.

 

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4100Mhz 14-14-14-34

20.3 nanoseconds

Amazed, almost unbelievable score.

 

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Amazed, almost unbelievable score.

It's an impossible value. It's an artifact.

But, it's NOT a fake screenshot, it really happened after about 12 attempts at a low latency profile. I was going for 14-14-14-34 at 3800Mhz 3900Mhz 4000Mhz and 4100Mhz.

I was wondering how long it would take you guys to say something, sorry for the technical prank. lolol

Only posted it for the GIGGLES! lololol.

OR, maybe it isn't an impossible latency value and Albus Dumbledore payed a visit.

 

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Hurricane Dorian.

I Ain't Scared Of You No More!

 

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Buildzoid's EVGA Z390 Dark deep dive part 2

"This board is gold plated freaking everywhere."

"It's peak efficiency, It nails that peak efficiency"

- Buildzoid.

 

[tabascosauz]

Dorian saw your 20ns reaction time and knew you'd lay the hurt on her, so she bounced right off of Florida to go someplace else.

 

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Dorian saw your 20ns reaction time and knew you'd lay the hurt on her, so she bounced right off of Florida to go someplace else.

That's it! My 20ns AIDA 64 4600Mhz latency score changed the course of history, and more people are alive today!.

Let's pray for the people of Bermuda and Bahamas.

...emotionally exhausted, I need 36hrs of sleep in order to catch up to normal.

 

[tabascosauz]

That's it! My 20ns AIDA 64 4600Mhz latency score changed the course of history, and more people are alive today!.

Live and Love Forever!

...emotionally exhausted, I need 36hrs of sleep in order to catch up to normal.

Can't function without sleep! I have to get up at 5:15 mon-fri and be in bed by 8:30, it's not the greatest thing in the world.

I actually looked into the C14S; I didn't realize it was a newer model (I was thinking of the C12P and C14 all along). Now I'm debating revamping the whole cooling situation in my M1, because it seems that consensus is the C14P really muscles its way past the D9L and U9S, specifically when used in the M1.

What it looks like right now:

• 1 x NF-F12 PWM on side bracket running intake (right side / closer to front of case, on the side fan bracket);
• 2 x NF-A9 running a weird pull-pull setup on NH-D9L;
• 1 x NF-A9x14 running exhaust;
• Original vented side panel.

What I'm thinking it should be:

• 2 x NF-A12 on bottom running intake to the GPU and rest of case;
• 1 x NF-A14 mounted under the fins on NH-C14S;
• 1 x NF-A9x14 running exhaust;
• New windowed panel, since no side fan bracket anymore, and to show off the white/baby blue Cablemod set I've had since forever.

4.0/1.3V is the absolute limit for an acoustically sane and stable as well as thermally sustainable experience right now, any more volts to sustain higher clocks (because not even 4.1 survives OCCT on just 1.3 volts) and it either feels, looks or sounds kinda diabolical in there. 88C steady in Prime95 Small (not Smallest, because ol' Diablo starts showing up), kinda like 3.6 roentgen, not great, not terrible. I'm thinking that maybe a C14S, an A14, and two new A12x25s can lower my temps enough that I can go back to trying for 4.2 or 4.3. Probably could have done it easily with a better binned 3700X, but the silicon quality on mine as well as the current state of BIOS voltage and freq control on the B450 Aorus is kinda comical so...

If I do that, I can migrate the D9L with its 2 x A9 and the 4790K can finally get back to work powering the TV. Win-win.

But anyhow, I think I have you to thank for discovering the C14S. Only problems now are to get demci filters again for the bottom of the case, finding a way to power 3 case fans without resorting to Molex power, and getting a windowed panel when it becomes available.

 

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Will the C14S fit inside the small M1? Maybe in low profile configuration? I love the C14S since I'm using a horizontal motherboard and the cooling fin array parallels the surface and allows simply resting the large 140mm Industrial fan on top of the array, the entire mass of the fan supported by the (4) silicon noise absorption anti-vibration pads. I call it a gravity mount. lol

I don't use the attachment clips provided, since in theory they compress the energy absorbing material and decrease it's ability to perform. Any noise energy absorbing material will transfer vs absorb when the molecules are strained instead of allowed to exist naturally. This is why the weight of your subassembly is so important when attempting to isolate. Heavier subassembies will need larger quantities of material.

1) higher rpms = greater rotational energy is produced and more noise absorption material is needed
2) if gravity is your force vector then the overall mass of your subassembly must also be considered

A gravity mount is not fit for transport, yet for everyday use - it's ideal, the fan goes inaudible at 680-700rpms which still provides more than adequate cooling for the delidded 8086K even with moderate and heavy overclocks, science in action.

The black corner pads I had to buy separately which kinda stinks, but Noctua ships the black industrial 140mm 2000rpm PWM fans with brown noise absorption pads, so the only way to get the fan ALL - BLACK.

$8 gets you 16count, enough for two fans.

Also, two images from Noctua-Computex 2018 showing the C14S successor prototype. Rumors have it launching Q4 this year. But with Noctua, ya just never know.

 

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The Icy Box NVMe M.2 enclosure arrived Friday. It comes with very nice step by step instructions with photos, real printed paper instructions (with REAL staples). lol Now, that's something you don't see everyday.

I had just returned from the eye doctor morning appt, both eyes dilated so I couldn't read-see the instructions at all, massive blur. How do those people expect you to drive home?

Icy Box includes a thermal pad, but I had some leftover Thermal Grizzly Minus 8 at 0.5mm thickness same as the pad provided, so thought it might transfer the heat a little better than the stock pad.

Anyway, it's a very nice kit, well thought out, and as I was hoping, during operation the aluminum chassis does get very warm, internal drive temperature up to 45C when running benchmarks, and it's a small Optane 32GB drive, the very first gen from April 2017, they run hot with no idle state at all. The newer gen 2 Optane M15 M.2 drive run much cooler and drop into an idle mode when not in use. The two Optane chips and the controller chip all covered by the TG Minus 8 thermal pad, then a simple metal cover included in the kit transfers the heat from thermal pad to external chassis - a nice design.

Really love it, but overall I can see enthusiasts getting more out of such a premium thermal enclosure by installing a higher capacity M.2 like the Samsung 970 Evo or Pro 1TB, that would be an outstanding solution for storage on the go.

But I only have the two Optane 32GB M.2 drives and a very old Samsung 960 EVO M.2 at 250GB. Mostly, was very much attracted to the heatsink design and it works extremely well.

 

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Thanks for letting me hang out guys.

I'll come back when Seasonic launches the TX-700, 700watt Titanium fanless PSU.

Nils from Seasonic Europe stated two of the Computex 2019 videos (In German), it would be available by August 2019, but looks like not here in the US just yet.

Stay healthy and be well!

Now, we're under Hurricane Watch. This storm is never going to end.

 

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This video that literally placed me on the pathway of ddr4 overclocking as a low-latency advantage over simply plugging in XMP 2.0.

Within the analysis Buildzoid happens on (4) new pre-installed bios PRE-SETS, that were not included in the original v1.03 bios from EVGA.

How did this change my perception of ddr4 Mhz speed and latency? The 1st preset, the LUUMI Daily OC profile preset oc'd in an instant of time my simple 3200Mhz 14CL Gskill kit into a mega ultra-responsive low latency beast of a kit pushing it easily to 4300Mhz 17-18-18-28, I was like OMG, so this is what mem overclocking is all about.

The LUUMI Daily OC profile also sets up a 9900K to 5.2Ghz 1.300volts which can easily be adapted to an 8700K/8086K at 5.4Ghz 1.370volts or ANY clock voltage combination you wish.

The LUUMI profile also modifies secondary and tertiary memory settings for you and back into the CPU side of the oc sets up VCCIO and VCCSA and a higher voltage on the Z390 chipset - which you may want to maintain or modify to your own specifications.

If you are already running ANY Samsung B-die Gskill kit, plug in the Luumi Daily and be amazed! Also be careful, once you FEEL what 4300Mhz 17CL for free - FEELS like. You may want even more.

I know I did.

If you don't know ddr4 overclocking (like me) Use the LUUMI Daily preset as a template to get you started. You will thank me in the morning.

And thank you Buildzoid, your video cost me a whopping $450, invested in a new Trident Z 4600Mhz Royal Silver kit. So worth every penny, so amazingly FAST getting work completed!

The Gskill 4600 Royal Silver kit's RGB lighting? Umm, the Batman rig is a work build so the flashing distractions of a multi-colored light show would not really assist work. lol

But I must say a solid blue glow is extremely soothing. "You are currently working as a team member on the regenerative complex of Space Port Alpha." Thank you robot, do you have any spare time later?

"Most Samsung B-die kits should hit this (Luumi preset) yet not every kit out there"

-Buildzoid

 

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Coffee Lake Refresh 9900KS super-binned 9900K launching in October

-Intel Confirmed. Wooooot!

The 9900KS is to the 9900K, what the 8086K is to the 8700K. Intel just pulls out a few high binning chips and increases the factory boost and calls it a new CPU, well it sort of is - yet not completely.