Been out of the game for a few years and need advice on a new computer build ground up

[therealmeep]

no, nvida restricted it to two way.

There are some things where 10 series cards can do 3 way SLI without a key, however these are restricted to benchmarks.

As for even sli 1080tis, I'd say that's overkill for anything less than 4k 144hz as witg one ti I have yet to see any I can't run at ultra.

 

[cucker tarlson]

he's going to run 2560x1080 x3, and depending on the game, 1080ti sli might be able to run it pretty nicely. A single 1080Ti can do 150 fps at 2560x1080 pretty easily as lonng as the game isn't a complete optimization flop. Two of them,overclocked, good scaling, and they should be able to run it nicely.

 

[skippy258]

no, nvida restricted it to two way.

Ok Thanks for that bit of info, I will have to look for a different board now, as the board I was looking at will be a over kill now due to the fact SLI will only work on 2 cards with out alot of playing around by the looks


EDIT:
Thanks everyone for your replies on the topic you have all help me a lot and have pointed out a lot of things. I have come to the conclusion i will wait a little longer before i build a new system and just stick to my new laptop at the moment when it arrives.

I will wait till AMD TR2 mark2 is released, as this will most likely make a drop in price of the current CPUs on the market at the moment. I will not be buying a TR2 mark2 but i'm looking for a price drop in the intel cpu above the current 6 cores, because I want the system relevant to future games that will use the extra few cores like 8 or 10 cores.

For the GPU I will stick with the idea of 1080ti 11 gb x2

I can go for a mid range FSB on the DDR4 RAM cutting some costs there

I will get a M.2 for the HDD and use my current computer for storage/ owncloud

I think I will need a 1000w power supply

Get IPS monitors instead of VA ones for better pixel response

Thanks for all your help everyone with getting me up to speed on things, more comments are welcome and anything else I should consider or notes in my future build are welcome.

 

[lexluthermiester]

this leads vega 64 into a top future proof system if it wasn't so expensive.

It's actually not that expensive right now.

 

[therealmeep]

Ok Thanks for that bit of info, I will have to look for a different board now, as the board I was looking at will be a over kill now due to the fact SLI will only work on 2 cards with out alot of playing around by the looks


EDIT:
Thanks everyone for your replies on the topic you have all help me a lot and have pointed out a lot of things. I have come to the conclusion i will wait a little longer before i build a new system and just stick to my new laptop at the moment when it arrives.

I will wait till AMD TR2 mark2 is released, as this will most likely make a drop in price of the current CPUs on the market at the moment. I will not be buying a TR2 mark2 but i'm looking for a price drop in the intel cpu above the current 6 cores, because I want the system relevant to future games that will use the extra few cores like 8 or 10 cores.

For the GPU I will stick with the idea of 1080ti 11 gb x2

I can go for a mid range FSB on the DDR4 RAM cutting some costs there

I will get a M.2 for the HDD and use my current computer for storage/ owncloud

I think I will need a 1000w power supply

Get IPS monitors instead of VA ones for better pixel response

Thanks for all your help everyone with getting me up to speed on things, more comments are welcome and anything else I should consider or notes in my future build are welcome.

Looking at the price for 8 and 10 core parts versus an 8700k (which I saw around 270$ the other day) the price is exponentially more for relatively little. Games using more than 4 threads are debated, however the way we have been going for the last 6 or so years there really isnt a a good justification for more than 4 or even 6 cores. That said I'd still go for an 8700k because with the new 8c/16t Intel chips coming to mainstream, if you have the need for more cores (besides the fact that you can probably sell the 8700k at that point for most of your investment into it) I'd go for those. And for those terribly concerned in the fets having issues on z370 boards, a high end board intended for one of these chips (loving my maximus X) will hammer with these.

 

[Durvelle27]

With your demands you should definitely consider Ryzen 2700X or TR 1920 as it offers more cores and great performance for the price

 

[Caring1]

EDIT:
Thanks everyone for your replies on the topic you have all help me a lot and have pointed out a lot of things. I have come to the conclusion i will wait a little longer before i build a new system and just stick to my new laptop at the moment when it arrives.

I can go for a mid range FSB on the DDR4 RAM cutting some costs there

I will get a M.2 for the HDD and use my current computer for storage/ owncloud

I think I will need a 1000w power supply

Good to hear you are waiting, purchasing now prior to new CPU's/ GPU's being released will only cost you more.
FSB does not relate to the speed of Ram, perhaps you mean Frequency, and also M.2 drives are not HDD's but rather a form of SSD.
The former terms may have been more relevant in the Socket 775 era

 

[lexluthermiester]

Good to hear you are waiting, purchasing now prior to new CPU's/ GPU's being released will only cost you more.

That depends. As good sales are going on right now because companies want to clear out their older products. Most prices have come down as of late, even ram though that is still up there.

 

[FireFox]

because I want the system relevant to future games that will use the extra few cores like 8 or 10 cores.

Games that will use 8 or 10 cores in 8/10 years? Most of today Games are still doing ok with 4 cores

 

[cucker tarlson]

I'd disagree with this based on the fact that AMD offers up comparative better dx12 and Vulkan performance on any of their cards, and while there are relatively few titles compared to the dx11 landscape, I'd say that this leads vega 64 into a top future proof system if it wasn't so expensive.

Can we not hear this BS "futureproof" argument again anymore, like ever.... DX11 is not going anywhere anytime soon and Vega 64 can perform as badly as to hardly match the 1070 in some cases, nvidia cards have great performance in almost any vulkan/dx12 game too, and last but not least Vega 64 will end up somewhere between 1160 and 1170 this fall. There's your futureproof. It has always been a bad perf/price offering compared to 1080Ti and you could only ever take it as a serious competition for the 1080.

According to this test,which includes a whole spectrum of games, 1080Ti is 28% faster than V64 when pushed to 4K Ultra. Even 1080 beats it in Doom Vulkan and I've seen it beat V64 in Hitman dx12 too, which are about as cherry picked games for amd as there can be. How can you seriously call this futureproof ?

https://be.hardware.info/reviews/83...chips-hertest-hardwareinfo-gpu-prestatiescore

Please don't misinform people who openly say they're out of touch with current offerings.

 

[therealmeep]

Can we not hear this BS "futureproof" argument again anymore, like ever.... DX11 is not going anywhere anytime soon and Vega 64 can perform as badly as to hardly match the 1070 in some cases, nvidia cards have great performance in almost any vulkan/dx12 game too, and last but not least Vega 64 will end up somewhere between 1160 and 1170 this fall. There's your futureproof. It has always been a bad perf/price offering compared to 1080Ti and you could only ever take it as a serious competition for the 1080.

According to this test,which includes a whole spectrum of games, 1080Ti is 28% faster than V64 when pushed to 4K Ultra. Even 1080 beats it in Doom Vulkan and I've seen it beat V64 in Hitman dx12 too, which are about as cherry picked games for amd as there can be. How can you seriously call this futureproof ?

https://be.hardware.info/reviews/83...chips-hertest-hardwareinfo-gpu-prestatiescore

Please don't misinform people who openly say they're out of touch with current offerings.

Vega is definitely futureproof, especially when you take a look at how the "previous" high end Fury/Fury X held up relative to the next gen of 10 series cards.

With your demands you should definitely consider Ryzen 2700X or TR 1920 as it offers more cores and great performance for the price

I'd agree here, however with the thought of 3 ultrawides I would venture to guess the cpu will be clock limited, so I'd think he'd be better off with an 8700k due to the higher clocks.

 

[Durvelle27]

Vega is definitely futureproof, especially when you take a look at how the "previous" high end Fury/Fury X held up relative to the next gen of 10 series cards.



I'd agree here, however with the thought of 3 ultrawides I would venture to guess the cpu will be clock limited, so I'd think he'd be better off with an 8700k due to the higher clocks.

Actually as the res of games increase the games becomes less CPU dependent and more GPU dependent.

 

[Vya Domus]

Honestly with 2560x1080 x3 you are going to have bad time maintaining performance regardless of the GPU.

Should have settled for a single , huge 4K panel.

 

[moproblems99]

OP, most of the people poo pooing on Vega don't actually own one. My Vega56 is driving my 21:9 3440x1440 quite nicely. I haven't even bothered with an overclock just yet. My power usage hasn't really changed from when I was running my GTX 980 and the temps are about the same.

I also wouldn't rule out a Ryzen as running three 21:9 monitors is going to GPU limit you long before you run into any problems with CPU clocks. The money you would save from not having to pay the GSYNC tax could be applied to other areas.

EDIT:

Honestly with 2560x1080 x3 you are going to have bad time maintaining performance regardless of the GPU.

Should have settled for a single , huge 4K panel.

The bonus of not having a single large 4K is the panorama while pushing similar pixels. As not an owner of 4K, I don't understand the point of buying one if all you have to do is turn down the settings to get a decent frame rate. Why lower graphical fidelity just to push a higher resolution?

 

[therealmeep]

OP, most of the people poo pooing on Vega don't actually own one. My Vega56 is driving my 21:9 3440x1440 quite nicely. I haven't even bothered with an overclock just yet. My power usage hasn't really changed from when I was running my GTX 980 and the temps are about the same.

I also wouldn't rule out a Ryzen as running three 21:9 monitors is going to GPU limit you long before you run into any problems with CPU clocks. The money you would save from not having to pay the GSYNC tax could be applied to other areas.

EDIT:



The bonus of not having a single large 4K is the panorama while pushing similar pixels. As not an owner of 4K, I don't understand the point of buying one if all you have to do is turn down the settings to get a decent frame rate. Why lower graphical fidelity just to push a higher resolution?

The general consensus i've seen on fidelity v resolution is that higher resolution generally looks better than lower res with higher settings. That said I like the real estate provided with the multiple monitors so I’d put my eggs in a 3x4k setup if its only ~100$ more per panel (my acer 4k panel is like 300$ now, a pretty crappy panel, but the res looks good)

 

[Final_Fighter]

here are my recommendation based off the monitors you plan to drive:

ryzen 7 2700x
ASRock X370 Killer SLI/ac
sli gtx1080ti
32gb ddr4 (from the qvl, or look for -single sidded dimms that are samsung b-die)
256gb nvme m.2 ssd
4tb-8tb hdd. (7200rpm, sata3, 128mb+ cache)
DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm CAPTAIN 240EX-AIO
850w gold or platinum rated psu from a reputable source, (corsair, evga, seasonic,etc)
a case with support for a 240mm aio, also make sure it has just as many intake fans as exhaust fans.

if you want to go the intel route then change the motherboard and cpu to something like

i7 8700k
and a good z370 motherboard

something that needs to be brought up is that amd's ryzen is very picky on ram whereas intels are not. if you go with ryzen then look for single sided dimms when selecting ram. also see if you can get samsung b-die memory. this is if you cannot find the ram you are looking for on the ram qvl for your motherboard. its also a wise idea to try and limit your ram to only 2 slots on the ryzen platform if possible because the memory controller has a harder time trying to push 4 dimms past 2667. duel sidded modules make this even worse and its likly that with 4 dimms that are duel sidded modules at 8gbs a piece you may not even get to 2667.

so in a nutshell, stick with single sided dimms, 2 sticks, and get the amount of memory you see yourself using in the foreseeable future now.

 

[Caring1]

Instead of 3X Monitors have you considered two widescreen curved monitors?

 

[therealmeep]

Instead of 3X Monitors have you considered two widescreen curved monitors?
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From the looks of it he's probably going to be doing 3xultrawides


I think that the specs we have currently are
8700k
Z370 board with headroom (Maximus X/ Asrock Taichi)
32GB RAM (speed really isn't much gaming on Intel)
SLI 1080tis (2 Way)
NVME SSD (Samsung 970 or similar)
HDDs carried over from old machine
850 or higher psu (I really like my G3 850 by EVGA)
Case: probably old case if not get something like an s340
Corsair h110i or suitable watercooler

Or on the AMD side:
2700X
X470 Mobo such as Crosshair 6/7 whichever they are on
32 GB 3200MHz+ RAM (Ryzen loves speedy RAM)
Rest of specs carried over from intel build.

Really can't go wrong with either of these builds, both leave space potentially for higher SKU chips when they come out and both are competitive machines.

here are my recommendation based off the monitors you plan to drive:

ryzen 7 2700x
ASRock X370 Killer SLI/ac
sli gtx1080ti
32gb ddr4 (from the qvl, or look for -single sidded dimms that are samsung b-die)
256gb nvme m.2 ssd
4tb-8tb hdd. (7200rpm, sata3, 128mb+ cache)
DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm CAPTAIN 240EX-AIO
850w gold or platinum rated psu from a reputable source, (corsair, evga, seasonic,etc)
a case with support for a 240mm aio, also make sure it has just as many intake fans as exhaust fans.

if you want to go the intel route then change the motherboard and cpu to something like

i7 8700k
and a good z370 motherboard

something that needs to be brought up is that amd's ryzen is very picky on ram whereas intels are not. if you go with ryzen then look for single sided dimms when selecting ram. also see if you can get samsung b-die memory. this is if you cannot find the ram you are looking for on the ram qvl for your motherboard. its also a wise idea to try and limit your ram to only 2 slots on the ryzen platform if possible because the memory controller has a harder time trying to push 4 dimms past 2667. duel sidded modules make this even worse and its likly that with 4 dimms that are duel sidded modules at 8gbs a piece you may not even get to 2667.

so in a nutshell, stick with single sided dimms, 2 sticks, and get the amount of memory you see yourself using in the foreseeable future now.

From what I've heard zen+ or whatever ryzen gen 2 is has gotten a lot better about RAM compatibility and speed. This and clock speed bumps are the 2 major selling points of gen 2 ryzen over gen 1 and quite frankly why I didn't grab a TR1 chip after hearing the TR2 announcement. Ryzen is in a much nicer spot than at launch, and is a wonderful platform now.

 

[moproblems99]

Really can't go wrong with either of these builds, both leave space potentially for higher SKU chips when they come out and both are competitive machines.

Agreed. I think at this point I would recommend the 2700X because it leaves the door open to upgrading to new processor until around 2020 for minimum expense. It seems that CPU wars are going to be starting in earnest again so being able to keep the socket relevant is a big bonus.

 

[cucker tarlson]

OP, most of the people poo pooing on Vega don't actually own one.

Really ?

I'm not as much crapping on Vega as showing it's no competition for 1080Ti if you want every single drop of performance squeezed out of your GPU. I hope no one recommends Vega anymore cause two of them instead of 1080Ti SLI would be a horrible buy for the OP.

I really recommend waiting for next gen in q3, if not then 1080Ti.

"I have vega and it works for me" is a dumb argument really, can't you read performance charts ? Cause if you could you would see that there is another GPU that apparently works better for other people than your Vega. This way you could go on forever, take an oc'd 980Ti and compare it the same way to V56, it would do a good job driving the same resolution as V56 does. Actually it'd be much,much closer to V56 than V64 to 1080Ti.
Also, "he's gpu limited so he might get ryzen 2700x". What sort of stupid logic is that ? He doesn't need so much cpu power so let's recommend a 8c/16t workstation powerhouse that in gaming falls behind locked i5 8400 instead of a purely game performance oriented 8600k. Dude asks about top gaming parts, ends up getting recommended Vega and Ryzen 2700x

 

[moproblems99]

Really ?

I'm not as much crapping on Vega as showing it's no competition for 1080Ti if you want every single drop of performance squeezed out of your GPU. I hope no one recommends Vega anymore cause two of them instead of 1080Ti SLI would be a horrible buy for the OP.

I really recommend waiting for next gen in q3, if not then 1080Ti.

"I have vega and it works for me" is a dumb argument really, can't you read performance charts ? Cause if you could you would see that there is another GPU that apparently works better for other people than your Vega. This way you could go on forever, take an oc'd 980Ti and compare it the same way to V56, it would do a good job driving the same resolution as V56 does. Actually it'd be much,much closer to V56 than V64 to 1080Ti.
Also, "he's gpu limited so he might get ryzen 2700x". What sort of stupid logic is that ? He doesn't need so much cpu power so let's recommend a 8c/16t workstation powerhouse that in gaming falls behind locked i5 8400 instead of a purely game performance oriented 8600k. Dude asks about top gaming parts, ends up getting recommended Vega and Ryzen 2700x

All I was saying is don't automatically listen to people with no experience in the product they are talking about. Also, in case you missed it, the OP seems to keep his systems for a while. So, it may be benefit to be able to drop in a new cpu down the road that is better than team blue. The res he wants to run will see no benefit from the 8700K.

I'm sorry someone shit in your wheaties. I hope the rest of your day is better.

 

[cucker tarlson]

All I was saying is don't automatically listen to people with no experience in the product they are talking about.

Well have you had experience with 1080Ti against your Vega 56 ?

 

[Komshija]

If you are gaming on 1080p monitor, I would suggest Ryzen 5 2600X or i5 8600K paired with 16 GB RAM and Vega 56/GTX 1070 or at most Vega 64/GTX 1070 Ti. Such machine would enable you high frame rates (60+ FPS) with Ultra details in every game there is and will be for the next 3-4 or so years on the market.

If you are gaming on a 1440p monitor, pick GTX 1070 Ti or at most GTX 1080 with the same CPU's and same amount of RAM as mentioned above. Now, if you have a 1440p 144Hz monitor and whine about 100+ FPS framerates, just pick a GTX 1080 Ti.

A proper 4K system is another thing. But exclusively for gaming even on a 4K system, I would recommend i7 8700K, Ryzen 7 2700X or at most i7 7820X. Anything above that will be an overkill. A CPU like i9 7900X up to the i9 7980XE or Threadripper 1920X / 1950X for gaming is beyond ridiculous. However, on this level you might consider 32 GB RAM, not because you will need so much RAM for gaming (you will not, 110%), but to build a proper 4K system. You'll also need at least GTX 1080 Ti, or even better, Dual GTX 1080. Naturally, such system is overpriced and will hit your pocket for well over 3000 AUD.

 

[moproblems99]

Well have you had experience with 1080Ti against your Vega 56 ?

Did you see anywhere I recommended the Vega? I just said don't count it out. The only thing I recommended was 2700X. Have a blessed day. You need it.

 

[cucker tarlson]

"I don't recommend it but I'm telling you to consider it as an option"
There's only one GPU that can be labelled as high end and that is GP102, it's anywhere from 20 up to 35-40% faster than V64 and 1080, he wanted a "top" gaming rig, his budget is huge. I absolutely don't see a reason not to count out V64 and 1080. Why shouldn't he count out vega ?