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Big Swing in Market Share From AMD to NVIDIA: JPR

I feel bad for AMD. I wish they would just pull two vicious rabbits out of their hat. A CPU that can compete with intel's i7's, and a GPU that can compete with nVidia's Maxwell cards.
Well I think the CPU part is to farfetched at the moment because they have already decided how they are going to focus for the time being until they win back enough OEMS to gain some serious ground.

As for the GPU's, its all going to depend on the node it comes out on and the overall performance. The waiting game they played instead of just sticking to the basics like Nvidia did could pay off heavily if the 390X is power efficient enough and out performs the 980 using a 20nm die and the 3D stacked memory (HBM) then they will have stuck a hard foot in the ground on the GPU segment of once again. However if they stick to the 28nm and even with the stacked memory only perform on par or around the 980 even if the power consumption for all intensive purposes is about the same then they have made a huge error in waiting this long.
 
Well I think the CPU part is to farfetched at the moment because they have already decided how they are going to focus for the time being until they win back enough OEMS to gain some serious ground.
I know, it's just wishful thinking, but if they can develop an equivalent to hyper-threading and release it with a small price premium and release it for an updated FX processor.
As for the GPU's, its all going to depend on the node it comes out on and the overall performance. The waiting game they played instead of just sticking to the basics like Nvidia did could pay off heavily if the 390X is power efficient enough and out performs the 980 using a 20nm die and the 3D stacked memory (HBM) then they will have stuck a hard foot in the ground on the GPU segment of once again. However if they stick to the 28nm and even with the stacked memory only perform on par or around the 980 even if the power consumption for all intensive purposes is about the same then they have made a huge error in waiting this long.
I hope the rumors are true. 4096 stream processors on a 20nm node... dayummm
 
not helped by the fact ubisoft blamed amd for their own shortcomings.
 
Its not the end but it could be a means to an end of AMDs CPU and discrete GPUs. Making APUs their main production. Hell the Xbox One and the PS4 together have sold 20 million units..... thats ALOT..not to mention the Wii U.

With that said I have faith that AMD will bring something to the fight before its over. Will they beat Intel...no and never will again IMO. Will they give nVidia a hard time....HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!
 
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@btarunr either the above is fail or your article is fail.

Quarter to quarter AMD is up 16.5% and Nvidia is up 13.6% so current sales show AMD outpacing Nvidia. The numbers you posted show up in the year over year results meaning that either AMD did awesome last year or they really screwed up the beginning of this year because this past quarter shows growth.
I also really love the fact only 1 other person commented on the graph and the rest went straight into fanboyism without reading the numbers at all.

The graph does show a major discrepancy with the market share this quarter adding up to more than 100%. My guess is that the intel numbers are off as it's really hard to see AMD and NV splitting a measly 11.47% of the market share together.
 
This is the correct one.

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This was expected since AMD has no product to counter NVIDIA's new offerings. It'll change when tables turn and if new Radeon will be a better product than current GeForce.
 
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not helped by the fact ubisoft blamed amd for their own shortcomings.


At this point if anyone believes Ubisoft about their pile of shit game they are too stupid to play it.
Considering all current generation consoles use AMD, and no other developer has expressed anything negative about them, and they are essentially PC hardware. Ubisoft needs to have their execs pulled out and shot. Considering the PS4 runs 1080 on many other games and has a very high spec for a console, their shit game is just an attempt to jumpstart a still born crack baby for one more fund raiser.
 
I'm not sure those numbers accurately give the whole picture. Is this just in dedicated GPU's? Because if so OF COURSE they slipped. They are to busy making console chips. Also GPU's are only a section of AMD. They make CPU's also ya know? This report is somewhat slanted. I mean even in the same paragraph....

"AMD's shipments of desktop heterogeneous GPU/CPUs, i.e., APUs increased 10.5%". They are not focused on the dedicated GPU market right now.
 
Why people still count Intel into the bunch. They count every single GPU component as market share even though tons of their chips never ever display a single frame of image on any screen. But they always come with their CPU's whether you like it or not.
 
You forgot the most important parameter. If the rumors for 4 HBM chips that will give a 4096bit data bus and 640GB/sec bandwidth are true, then both gpus and APUs might see a good performance improvement before 2016 when Zen will comes.
As I said on another thread, HBM gives a wide I/O and high bandwidth. HBM is also limited to 4GB (4 x 1GB stacks), so there are a few things to consider:
1. Wider I/O means more contacts and traces. Higher cost (so you're only looking at the flagship boards anyway).
2. 4GB framebuffer isn't a good marketing point when even mainstream cards will likely sport 4GB as standard, and 8GB cards at the high end are being introduced. IIRC, the GM200 articles allude to 12GB vRAM. Assuming AMD see it the same way, they may have to adopt a tiered memory structure (HBM + GDDR5) which will be more complex (differing latencies, circuitry/traces), more expensive, and wipe out any power saving claimed by HBM alone.
Just how popular are high end cards anyway, if GTX 9xx is behind this? AFAIK most action (fiscally speaking) happens in the low-mid range, and there AMD are excellent.
Doesn't really matter at this stage. The game is more about mind share than market share. Once upon a time, those of us around at the height of ATi's powers saw a company that footed it with the best - at one stage the company had the lions share of OEM contracts and annihilated S3, Matrox, 3dfx, and Nvidia in sales revenue. It was/is a hardware market driven by features and marketing because it markets directly to the end user. Processors on the other hand began as companies selling to the engineers of other companies - marketing was something you did when the product couldn't compete. AMD was founded by a salesman (and a group of analog logic circuit designers IIRC) when marketing wasn't really a thing in CPUs - by the time it was, Sanders had moved on and engineers held the reins at the company. It isn't a complete coincidence that as soon as AMD took over ATi the graphics side started to dip. All the work the company had put into a strong relationship with the gaming community went for nought - starting and stopping the Get in the Game program just as TWIMTBP was gaining traction for example. When your star is being eclipsed (by Nvidia), the response should have been a full court press, but AMD withdrew and began revelling in it's "underdog" status after R600. When you lose the customer base the OEM's soon follow since they pander to what is a saleable and easily recognizable series of brands, and without the OEMs onside a company becomes severely handicapped. The DIY discrete market is miniscule, but the OEMs control virtually all PC desktop sales, and all mobile sales. Then it becomes a vicious circle, OEMs highlight the brand of the company in ascendance both in advertising and model lines and the other companies are marginalized, thus slipping out of the consumers field of view.
Why people still count Intel into the bunch. They count every single GPU component as market share even though tons of their chips never ever display a single frame of image on any screen. But they always come with their CPU's whether you like it or not.
AMD are in the same basket. MANY systems (especially mobile) rely upon integrated graphics. If the iGP is competent enough to do the job (and a lot of people either don't game or play garbage flash based "games") then they have no need of a discrete solution.
Count AMD's blessings. I'm pretty sure when Mercury and JPR release the discrete graphics numbers next week the figures will look even more dismal given that it's a two horse race for a smaller market. It's also pretty safe to assume that the ASP (average selling prices) of the two companies are heading in opposite directions coming into the busiest sales period of the year.
The original chart in the JPR press release had the flawed numbers. I checked a few sites and JPR itself just after the article was published and all the sites carried the same borked chart numbers - which was, along with the wording, repeated verbatim from JPR's PR.
 
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This is the correct one.

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If correct that still shows a completely different picture than was portrayed in @btarunr 's article.

That shows both neck and neck after AMD's dominance from last years R9/7/5 series launch. This quarter shows a slight uptick for NV but .5% is hardly a dominant change, especially when intel nearly quadrupled that growth at 1.9%. Overall this shows discreet sales down against on-board/on-chip solutions, especially considering the AMD APU's are included in their market share.

My Guess is the lack of new mid and lowend options from NV make the growth marginal as few people actually buy prebuilts or solo cards of highend chips. As a full range of 9 series NV's come out we could see better growth Q3 and into Q4 (barring a full series AMD release during that time) Overall AMD's in a tock year so it's not suprising NV is making gains during their tick. Just surprising how small those gains are. NV couldn't even match last years tock numbers with this tick while AMD not being able to match a tick with a tock shouldn't shock anyone. (especially being that said tock has what the R9 285 and little else)

overall AMD is only down 2.4% since the launch of the 980 and 970 and NV is only up .5% during that same time intel did the most damage. Year over year BOTH AMD and NV are down. Discreet sales overall are taking a hit. This is not surprising at all considering where pc gaming has been going.
 
If correct that still shows a completely different picture than was portrayed in @btarunr 's article.
As I stated immediately above. JPR's press release chart was incorrect. It has since been updated. bta simply reprinted the original information at hand. The original (bad) chart was reprinted everywhere (this from G3D for example)
 
At this point if anyone believes Ubisoft about their pile of shit game they are too stupid to play it.
Considering all current generation consoles use AMD, and no other developer has expressed anything negative about them, and they are essentially PC hardware. Ubisoft needs to have their execs pulled out and shot. Considering the PS4 runs 1080 on many other games and has a very high spec for a console, their shit game is just an attempt to jumpstart a still born crack baby for one more fund raiser.
this is the first place i actually called ubisoft, ubisoft. i replace the soft with a form of excrement.
 
If correct that still shows a completely different picture than was portrayed in @btarunr 's article.

That shows both neck and neck after AMD's dominance from last years R9/7/5 series launch. This quarter shows a slight uptick for NV but .5% is hardly a dominant change, especially when intel nearly quadrupled that growth at 1.9%. Overall this shows discreet sales down against on-board/on-chip solutions, especially considering the AMD APU's are included in their market share.

My Guess is the lack of new mid and lowend options from NV make the growth marginal as few people actually buy prebuilts or solo cards of highend chips. As a full range of 9 series NV's come out we could see better growth Q3 and into Q4 (barring a full series AMD release during that time) Overall AMD's in a tock year so it's not suprising NV is making gains during their tick. Just surprising how small those gains are. NV couldn't even match last years tock numbers with this tick while AMD not being able to match a tick with a tock shouldn't shock anyone. (especially being that said tock has what the R9 285 and little else)

overall AMD is only down 2.4% since the launch of the 980 and 970 and NV is only up .5% during that same time intel did the most damage. Year over year BOTH AMD and NV are down. Discreet sales overall are taking a hit. This is not surprising at all considering where pc gaming has been going.
I agree with you there. Personally I do not view all the figures from anything like these as completely accurate because the problem is that depending on what gets counted into the equation can cause the chart to be a completely different story.

A GPU launch my cause a slight spike in sales but generally is not going to shake everything to pieces no matter what it is unless its a complete failure. Even if the cards were amazing in performance, efficiency, etc the cards would sell at the same rate as they do year to year (With slight variations). Normally the biggest changes that would effect this in a substantial way would be something that becomes a flop or does not live up to what a next generation card is which so far has not happened recently enough to make a difference.

Even so we do not influence the market much, it still goes back to OEMs being the reason for things like this which is why when we see changes on these numbers its generally OEMs purchasing for the new generation machines that get the numbers flowing (or similar) more than the community buying the GTX 980 or the 290X for the power house gaming machine.

One thing that gets left out of these reports from companies are the consoles which to me would paint a different picture (As someone else pointed out). Like I said though it depends on what gets counted into these reports as to how they come out.
 
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AMD may have their own troubles, but they put their products into very compelling packages, ie. AM1 and APUs.

nVidia has a massive advantage with Maxwell that will likely take AMD a few generations to catch up.
 
I know, it's just wishful thinking, but if they can develop an equivalent to hyper-threading and release it with a small price premium and release it for an updated FX processor.

If multithreaded optimization is already one of the many factors affecting AMDs architecture performance, I doubt adding an extra layer of handling more threads would help the situation. Perhaps only in very specialized scenarios it would offer any benefit. However, as most of their processors don't so much sip power or run as cool as they could do, adding more hardware to the die will only make it worse.

AMD is currently a second-rate product in both GPU and CPU markets. They need to do something really special to change that image... sooner, rather than later. Whilst I won't be going AMD (their success grew from Intels success; cloning early chips and becoming second-source manufacturer for IBM) anytime soon, mainly due to past experiences of them with CPUs (a long time back, however) and GPUs, I do hope they succeed in both markets, because competition leads to innovation and lower prices.
 
They have consistently failed to shrink the die size for performance increases in the last two cards, so engineering dollars went to make a better mud pie, silicon costs are the same.
AMD doesn't have their own fabs. You can blame TSMC for dragging their feet on this one.
They have failed to materialize a CPU that could compete in per clock performance, so have been forced to add more cores, and thus more silicon to get closer, higher cost.
Except the module design reduce the size of two "cores" by, what? 40%? That's more CPU in less space.
Manufacturing hasn't improved at the rate they have needed and planned on, and this may be holding up production of plans for smaller chips, and without the R&D budget to allow for side by side development it halts their production improvement.
...and the fact that they don't own their own fabs anymore. That's a big thing IMHO.
While developers of software were focusing on multithreading, they were only really focusing on 2-4 cores at most and were stuck not wanting to spend the time to go beyond that because most chips were just 2 or 4 cores and still are to this day. Developers were not going to waste time developing for it so while if you include using all the cores on an FX 8350 makes it much stronger than the i7 quad core (with hyper threading 8) you still suffer from the fact that each core in a core to core comparison the Intel is much better which caused all programs that only look to the first 2-4 cores to run way faster and better on which ever had the better first cores (Intel).
Actually, workloads that scale well to 4 cores probably will scale to 8 cores with a minimum of work. The problem comes down to how much of the application can actually be run in parallel and a lot of tasks are single threaded or only utilize a core or two worth of resources because of locking and coordination overhead on top of the simple fact that some workloads can't be made to run in parallel.

In all seriousness, I think AMD CPUs have plenty of umfph. The problem is that they suck down too much electricity to do an okay job. I think the module idea was a good one (for the long term) because it saves on die space but the simple fact is that they'll never make up for the insane power consumption figures.
 
If correct that still shows a completely different picture than was portrayed in @btarunr 's article.

That shows both neck and neck after AMD's dominance from last years R9/7/5 series launch. This quarter shows a slight uptick for NV but .5% is hardly a dominant change, especially when intel nearly quadrupled that growth at 1.9%. Overall this shows discreet sales down against on-board/on-chip solutions, especially considering the AMD APU's are included in their market share.

My Guess is the lack of new mid and lowend options from NV make the growth marginal as few people actually buy prebuilts or solo cards of highend chips. As a full range of 9 series NV's come out we could see better growth Q3 and into Q4 (barring a full series AMD release during that time) Overall AMD's in a tock year so it's not suprising NV is making gains during their tick. Just surprising how small those gains are. NV couldn't even match last years tock numbers with this tick while AMD not being able to match a tick with a tock shouldn't shock anyone. (especially being that said tock has what the R9 285 and little else)

overall AMD is only down 2.4% since the launch of the 980 and 970 and NV is only up .5% during that same time intel did the most damage. Year over year BOTH AMD and NV are down. Discreet sales overall are taking a hit. This is not surprising at all considering where pc gaming has been going.

dont go talking sense dude, facts only get in the way of a good debate :rofl:
 
The biggest gain from Intel is the notebook and entry sector, where AMD or Nvidia don't really compete for differing reasons.

AMD is hamstrung by immature processes creating higher power consumption despite good overall performance in CPU and great in GPU, also costing more in silicon due to size.

Nvidia doesn't make a CPU, so then it becomes a complex add in card that doubles up resources either CPU maker already is working on.
 
Sad news indeed. I've primarily always been an Nvidia user, but I may switch just to support the underdog regardless of how tempting the GTX 980 is to me at the moment. It might be foolish but it's my money :)
 
i dont think its a big news since Nvidia offers better performance and as usual newer products that has better performance would take more attention
 
Sad news indeed. I've primarily always been an Nvidia user, but I may switch just to support the underdog regardless of how tempting the GTX 980 is to me at the moment. It might be foolish but it's my money :)

Don't buy with the intentions of crossfire, high res monitors and displayport. It is essencely broken. They really need to step their R&D up. I hear NV doesn't have these issues.
 
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