Boot "problems" with new cpu

[Ka0s]

Have you ever updated the bios of your X370 motherboard?.


Oh and someone or I, should have asked you to fill out your system specifications in your user profile.

People here will actually download your motherboard manual and look into your issue and things like that but only if they know what you have, to help I mean.

Yes, updated at last version.
System specs updated too.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Also, some Asus boards feature XMP I and II.

XMP I is "Asus optimized"
XMP II is Dimm profile strictly.

 

[Ka0s]

Also, some Asus boards feature XMP I and II.

XMP I is "Asus optimized"
XMP II is Dimm profile strictly.

I have just DOCP option

 

[Bill_Bright]

It is impossible that it is a RAM failure, because if i deactivate the DOCP mode the problem disappears (running bios at default settings).

While I agree it is unlikely, it is not impossible.

Then your CMOS battery is dead. Replace it with a new one.

He already replaced the CMOS battery not long ago. But again, it is possible the new one has failed prematurely. That could indicate a bad battery from the factory OR faulty component in the circuit draining the CMOS battery or putting a "low" on the CMOS circuit - in effect, resetting the BIOS, at least in part.

And again, despite what some here are claiming, this is NOT normal. Just because you remove power completely, your system should NOT forget these settings. The CMOS battery should hold them, assuming the battery is good - that's its job. I will note, however, this seems to be a common problem. But make no mistake - once set, the settings should hold and do hold for the vast majority of users.

My friend Bing Google is finding where several folks are reporting problems and bugs with memory settings getting lost after a cold boot.

BUG: Memory Fast Timing not applied on cold boot, Option in fact broken until manual reboot : Amd (reddit.com)
[SOLVED] x570 / 3900x Cold boot BIOS reset. - Troubleshooting - Linus Tech Tips

FTR, I never remove power completely from any of my computers, unless doing maintenance, or another major storm rolls through my area here in Tornado Alley. The only setting I occasionally lose after extended outages is the IP address assignment from my router.

Losing settings just because power is removed is unacceptable and definitely not normal.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

While I agree it is unlikely, it is not impossible.


He already replaced the CMOS battery not long ago. But again, it is possible the new one has failed prematurely. That could indicate a bad battery from the factory OR faulty component in the circuit draining the CMOS battery or putting a "low" on the CMOS circuit - in effect, resetting the BIOS, at least in part.

And again, despite what some here are claiming, this is NOT normal. Just because you remove power completely, your system should NOT forget these settings. The CMOS battery should hold them, assuming the battery is good - that's its job. I will note, however, this seems to be a common problem. But make no mistake - once set, the settings should hold and do hold for the vast majority of users.

My friend Bing Google is finding where several folks are reporting problems and bugs with memory settings getting lost after a cold boot.

BUG: Memory Fast Timing not applied on cold boot, Option in fact broken until manual reboot : Amd (reddit.com)
[SOLVED] x570 / 3900x Cold boot BIOS reset. - Troubleshooting - Linus Tech Tips

FTR, I never remove power completely from any of my computers, unless doing maintenance, or another major storm rolls through my area here in Tornado Alley. The only setting I occasionally lose after extended outages is the IP address assignment from my router.

Losing settings just because power is removed is unacceptable and definitely not normal.

Well Well, with further information I agree.

It's not normal try manually setting up the same settings as DOCP, plus it might just need more voltage on your ram at startup.

Some motherboards like x470 crosshair 7 actually had two settings for memory Voltage a main one where you expect it to be and an initialization memory Voltage used at boot(and on that board found in the bottom of the power configuration section of the bios right at the bottom), trying to run higher DOCP frequency without upping both voltages gave cold boot issues.

Once a boot fails due to memory it would try and reboot with Jdec defaults too.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

While I agree it is unlikely, it is not impossible.


He already replaced the CMOS battery not long ago. But again, it is possible the new one has failed prematurely. That could indicate a bad battery from the factory OR faulty component in the circuit draining the CMOS battery or putting a "low" on the CMOS circuit - in effect, resetting the BIOS, at least in part.

And again, despite what some here are claiming, this is NOT normal. Just because you remove power completely, your system should NOT forget these settings. The CMOS battery should hold them, assuming the battery is good - that's its job. I will note, however, this seems to be a common problem. But make no mistake - once set, the settings should hold and do hold for the vast majority of users.

My friend Bing Google is finding where several folks are reporting problems and bugs with memory settings getting lost after a cold boot.

BUG: Memory Fast Timing not applied on cold boot, Option in fact broken until manual reboot : Amd (reddit.com)
[SOLVED] x570 / 3900x Cold boot BIOS reset. - Troubleshooting - Linus Tech Tips

FTR, I never remove power completely from any of my computers, unless doing maintenance, or another major storm rolls through my area here in Tornado Alley. The only setting I occasionally lose after extended outages is the IP address assignment from my router.

Losing settings just because power is removed is unacceptable and definitely not normal.

Would just set memory training retry count to 0.

Memory training on cold boot is normal actually, but the users and the manual do not specify which algorithm while most of these Asus boards have more than 1 training algorithm including auto and user training profiles.

It's just the simple fact it's left on auto I am to assume, so each cold post the memory gets "re-training".

Linus Tech Tips isn't exactly a good place for memory overclocking, 99% of the people in that forum don't actually "tweak" and put to use the training capabilities of the board.

That said, it's not normal to those that are not familiar with newer boards and actually putting training algorithms to use.

So it's not normal...

 

[The King]

While I agree it is unlikely, it is not impossible.


He already replaced the CMOS battery not long ago. But again, it is possible the new one has failed prematurely. That could indicate a bad battery from the factory OR faulty component in the circuit draining the CMOS battery or putting a "low" on the CMOS circuit - in effect, resetting the BIOS, at least in part.

And again, despite what some here are claiming, this is NOT normal. Just because you remove power completely, your system should NOT forget these settings. The CMOS battery should hold them, assuming the battery is good - that's its job. I will note, however, this seems to be a common problem. But make no mistake - once set, the settings should hold and do hold for the vast majority of users.

My friend Bing Google is finding where several folks are reporting problems and bugs with memory settings getting lost after a cold boot.

If there are any OC profiles saved in the BIOS and you remove or have a dead battery those will be saved provided everything else is good on the board.

Current XMP or loaded profile settings are not saved if you remove the battery. At least not on the over 50 motherboards that I owned including my current ones.
So to clear this up saved OC profile should stay even if your CMOS battery is dead or removed but your current XMP profiles do not get saved if the battery is removed or dead and you disconnect
your main AC plug from the PSU. (It is not supposed to be saved has a dead battery has the same effect has using the clear CMOS button \ jumper on the board.)

Also note that some PSUs can hold charge for several minutes before they completely cut off power to the motherboard even when the AC plug is disconnected.

Whether the battery is working or not is easy enough to test after a cold restart when the power cord has been removed for sometime (5-10mins). Immediately go into the BIOS and check the date and time.
If its not correct then you have found 1 problem. If the date and time is OK then we could have a corrupt BIOS flash or less likely CRC errors on those DIMMS which can be checked in Thaiphoon burner or Leaky Caps and other problems on the board like a possible short somewhere.

 

[Ka0s]

BIOS battery tested ok, after 8hrs unplugged date and time persists.
Later this day i will try manually settings of docp as Mrk says.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

BIOS battery tested ok, after 8hrs unplugged date and time persists.
Later this day i will try manually settings of docp as Mrk says.

I actually think that because some DOCP profiles like on my present set of ram only set the first few settings and are configured as auto on all the others that, that is what is getting saved, I would describe it as a bios fault, I'll be testing this hypothesis on two 5## series boards and a 4## series but I won't have time until tomorrow.

 

[Bomby569]

Hi mates !

I finally chose a 5600x and i am very happy with the change. After mounting it, renewing the paste and formatting it works perfectly.

The only "problem" is that i must have some erroneous configuration that makes that when activating the DOCP mode of the memory for the 3200Mhz it does a strange thing. After a power loss (unplugged and plugged again), when booting, the fans turn on for 1 or 2 seconds, turn off, do the same again and the third time it starts correctly.

I have tried to load optimal values in the bios and the problem disappears.


Any tip?
Thanks!

-

Edit for system specs:

5600x
Asus Rog Strix x370-F Gaming
2 x 8GB GSkill 3200MHz CL14 BDie

i had the same thing happened to me, it was the memory, the values i entered were never accepted, so in the next boot it reverts to "safe values". It does this everytime you boot until you change it to something he accepts. That's why it goes away when you load optimal values

 

[Ka0s]

i had the same thing happened to me, it was the memory, the values i entered were never accepted, so in the next boot it reverts to "safe values". It does this everytime you boot until you change it to something he accepts. That's why it goes away when you load optimal values

But my system boots ok with the docp configuration, it's just that when i unplug it, does the training.
I think it is due to what mrk says, fine tuning of docp configuration.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

But my system boots ok with the docp configuration, it's just that when i unplug it, does the training.
I think it is due to what mrk says, fine tuning of docp configuration.

It's because most people think of primary timings only.

The board is memory training 2nd and 3rd timing sets not displayed on the sticker....

Such as, maybe not in order...

Dram write recovery
Dram Fpur Act win time
Write to read delay
Write to read delay L
Write to read delay S
Pulse width
TRDRD training and run time
Trdwr
Twrrd
Ref interval
Tppd
Dram clock period

And a whole lot more I didn't list lol.

Mrc Training loop count is why the board will restart (or seem to) because of timings being trained that I've listed above.

Memory training Algorithms
Such as

Early command training
Early read MPR centering (2D)
Read MPR training
Jedec Write training
Early Write time centering
Early read time training
Write timing centering
Write voltage centering
Dimm OTD training
Max RTT wr
Write slew training

And the list continues, again not complete and not in order.

All that listed above and much more is why ROG boards restart and train during cold posting.

 

[Mussels]

It's due to memory training and is normal.
As you say if You set timings instead of it setting them it goes away.

That's not memory training
That's a common myth about what memory training is - and it's just failed POSTs due to one of many reasons


If it's only after the PSU cable is removed it's the CMOS battery, they're 3.33v out of the box not 3.0v

If it happens after being left alone for a long period of time while still plugged in, the RAM settings are a bit off (x370 may need SoC and DRAM voltages raised slightly for 3200, but 2x8GB shouldn't)