Building friend PC, AMD or Intel

[de.das.dude]

fanboi much?

if one is considering even buying a pentium (who cares about generation) in 2013, he/she obviously has no requirements for cpu performance.

 

[super_slav]

super_slav,

You said earlier your mate has a Phenom II X2. Is that correct?

Because there is a chance he can upgrade it to a Phenom II X6 or Piledriver FX whilst keeping his board the same. Drop in another 4GB of RAM and keep the 5770. This would give you the best performance out of everything suggested thus far whilst being the cheapest.

That's a different friend, this friend I am building a PC for doesn't have a desktop and his laptop just broke, I added the a6 to the build and I know its overclockable but the motherboard isn't really designed to be overclocked.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

On a similar note, I have a neighbor that wants to spend upwards $500 on a PC, and she's considering a laptop. She'd mostly be surfing the net, streaming YouTube and other net vids, but might be interested in occasional games like WoW. Are the AMD based laptops in that price range better equipped as far as their integrated graphics go, and is it good enough to play WoW? The one thing I told her I was hesitant about as far as a LT vs desktop is not just bang for buck on parts, but the size of the screen. Her vision is pretty bad and the smaller screen size could be an issue. She has to use zoom for most everything.

Why are you thread jacking? We went from helping super slav to helping you........

 

[GreiverBlade]

He'll notice the difference in a couple of years as things continually progress in CPU requirements. If you aren't gaming, you always go for the stronger CPU. It simply has better longevity, period.

Now, if gaming is a concern, priorities change. You go for the better GPU. CPU is generally less of a bottleneck than GPU in gaming.

except Apu are better at video decoding than celeron/pentium and what he want is video playback.
also
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/129/AMD_A4-Series_A4-5300_vs_Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1610.html
the difference is hardly noticeable at this stage.

it would be different with a Pentium G2120 and a A6-5400K

also : Intel has less tdp but its cpu vs cpu not cpu+DGPU versus APU

i would say : ask your friend if he want Intel or AMD ... and if he want Intel then go intel whatever the outcome of this topic is, if its the AMD then same answer, no matter what others favor and tend to say "its better so take it"

 

[MxPhenom 216]

except Apu are better at video decoding than celeron/pentium and what he want is video playback.
also
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/129/AMD_A4-Series_A4-5300_vs_Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1610.html
the difference is hardly noticeable at this stage.

it would be different with a Pentium G2120 and a A6-5400K

also : Intel has less tdp but its cpu vs cpu not cpu+DGPU versus APU

i would say : ask your friend if he want Intel or AMD ... and if he want Intel then go intel whatever the outcome of this topic is, if its the AMD then same answer, no matter what others favor and tend to say "its better so take it"

Unless his friend is uneducated, he may just say Intel because of the better known name these days due to marketing and advertisements.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Unless his friend is uneducated, he may just say Intel because of the better known name these days due to marketing and advertisements.

indeed exactely what i hate the most

 

[micropage7]

indeed exactely what i hate the most

yeah, intel marketing has brain washed their brain
even you offer the pentium era they gonna ask, is it intel? and yes as long as its intel im gonna buy that

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Why are you thread jacking? We went from helping super slav to helping you........

They were already discussing AMD APUs before I even entered in, which isn't far off what I was seeking help with. You're the only one whining about it, but that's typically of you isn't it?

 

[Wile E]

fanboi much?

if one is considering even buying a pentium (who cares about generation) in 2013, he/she obviously has no requirements for cpu performance.

The Pentium is faster than the AMD in cpu performance.

How is suggesting the more powerful choice being a fanboy?

Oh, because I have an Intel? Like that says anything. I didn't switch to Intel until they were faster. Prior to my last 2 personal builds, I was all AMD, because, you guessed it, they were faster.

except Apu are better at video decoding than celeron/pentium and what he want is video playback.
also
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/129/AMD_A4-Series_A4-5300_vs_Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1610.html
the difference is hardly noticeable at this stage.

it would be different with a Pentium G2120 and a A6-5400K

also : Intel has less tdp but its cpu vs cpu not cpu+DGPU versus APU

i would say : ask your friend if he want Intel or AMD ... and if he want Intel then go intel whatever the outcome of this topic is, if its the AMD then same answer, no matter what others favor and tend to say "its better so take it"

It's 15% faster in single thread and 42% faster in multi thread. I call that significant. And the Intel still plays video fine, while consuming less power and generating less heat. The fact that AMD decodes video faster is irrelevent when both play HD just fine. What's that extra GPU speed gaining you? Higher framerates in your movies?

Sorry, but the AMD is just outclassed here. Nothing this guy is doing requires the additional GPU power at all. EVERYTHING, on the other hand, benefits from more cpu power.

Now, if the AMD is significantly cheaper, then by all means, go for it. If they are the same price though, you'd be silly to go for less cpu power in a general purpose machine.

These are lessons I learned the hard way. Longevity STRONGLY favors more cpu power in a general purpose machine.

 

[acerace]

fanboi much?

if one is considering even buying a pentium (who cares about generation) in 2013, he/she obviously has no requirements for cpu performance.

Isn't it ironic that you're calling someone a fanboy and you're a fanboy yourself.

 

[Vario]

I am really recommending running a dedicated GPU like a 5450 ($30) and going with the intel setup or going with a cheapo phenom II if you can find one, sometimes you can find them for around $65-80. My PII 965 x4 straight up destroys shit and I think I got it for $75 back in December.

 

[GreiverBlade]

edit i put before Quote the G1610 isnt a Pentium : its a Celeron

The Pentium is faster than the AMD in cpu performance.

How is suggesting the more powerful choice being a fanboy?

Oh, because I have an Intel? Like that says anything. I didn't switch to Intel until they were faster. Prior to my last 2 personal builds, I was all AMD, because, you guessed it, they were faster.



It's 15% faster in single thread and 42% faster in multi thread. I call that significant. And the Intel still plays video fine, while consuming less power and generating less heat. The fact that AMD decodes video faster is irrelevent when both play HD just fine. What's that extra GPU speed gaining you? Higher framerates in your movies?

Sorry, but the AMD is just outclassed here. Nothing this guy is doing requires the additional GPU power at all. EVERYTHING, on the other hand, benefits from more cpu power.

Now, if the AMD is significantly cheaper, then by all means, go for it. If they are the same price though, you'd be silly to go for less cpu power in a general purpose machine.

These are lessons I learned the hard way. Longevity STRONGLY favors more cpu power in a general purpose machine.

insignificant indeed because its the same price but you have to take a dedicated gpu for it, and going for a 5450 isnt what i call a great idea, also combined TDP of a CPU + DGPU is above that of a APU.

i was Intel as 1st pc (386/486 but i had later pentium/pentium pro/pentium II/III/IV) AMD for the K6/6-2/6-III, Athlon slot A era because they where cheaper (and faster ) i went intel for laptop (not satisfied btw but not only because of intel) and got some i5 i7 build i had nearly all the processor in my rigs since the 386 (generation not model and ... aahhh whatever xD)

yet my A10-5800k feels better than a i5 3xxx using the IGP (overall) and i wouldnt call it a placebo effect, oh well 140$ versus 200$ for the cheaper i5 with HD graphic 2500 might have something to do ...

Cost/perf : amd has the upper hand

little Exemple : if i take (where i live)
G1610 versus a A4-5300 (price similarity) 64.90chf versus 54.90chf (55w versus 65w)
and add a 6450 49.90chf (by the way why would i take a cheapo DGPU with DDR3 over a IGP on a APU that use also DDR3 )(add 75w~max to the balance ?)

it make 114.80chf (quite close of the price i paid for my A10 and my ASRock FM2A75M-ITX ) and 130w

now for that price i dont want a performer since i dont need it i will watch 1080p movies and browse internet, maybe a little game sometime and office.

now i take a A8-5600K at 105chf i have a 99-100w tpd and a 7560D igp

6450 versus 7560D
1gb from 32mb to 2gb
64bit 128bit
DDR3 DDR3
160sp 256sp
650mhz 933mhz memory
625mhz 760mhz core

~10chf less and 30w less (not mentioning quadcore over dualcore) getting above that, is easy for intel but the price too, taking a 2140(Pentium not Celeron like the 1610) give the upper hand again but it is 109chf and the igp isnt close to a 7560D so it would need a Dgpu and cost even more than a mere 4chf

ofc you can use the intel igp for vids web and office and some light gaming but in a "what if" situation having more IGP power doesnt hurt.

yes im talking of the reason : "nah who care IGP if the intel IGP is too weak after a while i just buy a graphic card" those kind like to wast money due to a brand image?

more cpu power : i repeat a "normal" user will not notice it, AMD isnt outclassed they just offer cheaper and sometime "better"(recognised by many review) HTPC/daylife processor than similary priced Intel solution

AS i said : ask you friend what he want for CPU and DONT care about what they write here. non objectivity stinks.

and i assembled some PC for friends, Intel AMD all are satisfied,

just one who took intel with a low budget and thinking intel would allways be the best choice, wanted to go for a similary priced Apu build and give it a try, he didnt switched by now ...

still i dont see any of my i7-4770k go for a 8350 as i wouldnt go for a i5-2500k to swap my X4 955 its their choice and its my choice they respect it and yet my underpowered X4 955 perform similary in day to day task or games, /!\ im not saying it is better, i see the difference
but its them, who dont notice the difference they are lambda user who wanted the more power at any cost, so i made some i7-4770K build for people who dont care about money.

longevity indeed ... thats one of the main aspect of my PhenomII X4 955 BE who is from 2008 and still perform well in everything i do, my GPU too isnt a "fresh" one but still never under 50fps (okok ... crysis 3 and last light could be the nemesis but ... they still run fin at high settings and some tweak)

last mention my X4 955 BE build cost less than what he intend to put in his Celeron/Aserie rig, my A10-5800k also cost the same price or 150more if i take in account the 7950 and my X2 511 build ... oh well cost way less even being in a HAF XB

now find me a intel setup at the price of 650$ who could possibly be on par with my A10 build, none? ... indeed because second hand market intel is dominated by "look at that its intel the price wont drop because they are awesome" indeed they are awesome ... but second hand doesnt mean 10% less than new when used 6 month

but forget it ... you cant beat Nyuh... aherm Lucy ... so im doomed.

 

[de.das.dude]

Isn't it ironic that you're calling someone a fanboy and you're a fanboy yourself.

i am a fanboi of what? even i have suggested configs with i5/i7 to people.

for a low budget amd is the way to go. if you have some dough to spare, then intel becomes an obvious choice.

now you tell me which of the scenarios this thread fits into

 

[GreiverBlade]

i am a fanboi of what? even i have suggested configs with i5/i7 to people.

for a low budget amd is the way to go. if you have some dough to spare, then intel becomes an obvious choice.

now you tell me which of the scenarios this thread fits into

dont even answer to that ... (btw fanboY) its a mere and low troll attempt.

 

[Wile E]

edit i put before Quote the G1610 isnt a Pentium : its a Celeron



insignificant indeed because its the same price but you have to take a dedicated gpu for it, and going for a 5450 isnt what i call a great idea, also combined TDP of a CPU + DGPU is above that of a APU.

i was Intel as 1st pc (386/486 but i had later pentium/pentium pro/pentium II/III/IV) AMD for the K6/6-2/6-III, Athlon slot A era because they where cheaper (and faster ) i went intel for laptop (not satisfied btw but not only because of intel) and got some i5 i7 build i had nearly all the processor in my rigs since the 386 (generation not model and ... aahhh whatever xD)

yet my A10-5800k feels better than a i5 3xxx using the IGP (overall) and i wouldnt call it a placebo effect, oh well 140$ versus 200$ for the cheaper i5 with HD graphic 2500 might have something to do ...

Cost/perf : amd has the upper hand

little Exemple : if i take (where i live)
G1610 versus a A4-5300 (price similarity) 64.90chf versus 54.90chf (55w versus 65w)
and add a 6450 49.90chf (by the way why would i take a cheapo DGPU with DDR3 over a IGP on a APU that use also DDR3 )(add 75w~max to the balance ?)

it make 114.80chf (quite close of the price i paid for my A10 and my ASRock FM2A75M-ITX ) and 130w

now for that price i dont want a performer since i dont need it i will watch 1080p movies and browse internet, maybe a little game sometime and office.

now i take a A8-5600K at 105chf i have a 99-100w tpd and a 7560D igp

6450 versus 7560D
1gb from 32mb to 2gb
64bit 128bit
DDR3 DDR3
160sp 256sp
650mhz 933mhz memory
625mhz 760mhz core

~10chf less and 30w less (not mentioning quadcore over dualcore) getting above that, is easy for intel but the price too, taking a 2140(Pentium not Celeron like the 1610) give the upper hand again but it is 109chf and the igp isnt close to a 7560D so it would need a Dgpu and cost even more than a mere 4chf

ofc you can use the intel igp for vids web and office and some light gaming but in a "what if" situation having more IGP power doesnt hurt.

yes im talking of the reason : "nah who care IGP if the intel IGP is too weak after a while i just buy a graphic card" those kind like to wast money due to a brand image?

more cpu power : i repeat a "normal" user will not notice it, AMD isnt outclassed they just offer cheaper and sometime "better"(recognised by many review) HTPC/daylife processor than similary priced Intel solution

AS i said : ask you friend what he want for CPU and DONT care about what they write here. non objectivity stinks.

and i assembled some PC for friends, Intel AMD all are satisfied,

just one who took intel with a low budget and thinking intel would allways be the best choice, wanted to go for a similary priced Apu build and give it a try, he didnt switched by now ...

still i dont see any of my i7-4770k go for a 8350 as i wouldnt go for a i5-2500k to swap my X4 955 its their choice and its my choice they respect it and yet my underpowered X4 955 perform similary in day to day task or games, /!\ im not saying it is better, i see the difference
but its them, who dont notice the difference they are lambda user who wanted the more power at any cost, so i made some i7-4770K build for people who dont care about money.

longevity indeed ... thats one of the main aspect of my PhenomII X4 955 BE who is from 2008 and still perform well in everything i do, my GPU too isnt a "fresh" one but still never under 50fps (okok ... crysis 3 and last light could be the nemesis but ... they still run fin at high settings and some tweak)

last mention my X4 955 BE build cost less than what he intend to put in his Celeron/Aserie rig, my A10-5800k also cost the same price or 150more if i take in account the 7950 and my X2 511 build ... oh well cost way less even being in a HAF XB

now find me a intel setup at the price of 650$ who could possibly be on par with my A10 build, none? ... indeed because second hand market intel is dominated by "look at that its intel the price wont drop because they are awesome" indeed they are awesome ... but second hand doesnt mean 10% less than new when used 6 month

but forget it ... you can beat Nyuh... aherm Lucy ... so im doomed.

In the OP, the AMD build was about the same price.

And yes, in a couple years, the user WILL notice the faster cpu. The stronger GPU does no good for him unless he games. I've already been down this road before, both personally, and on client builds. This is for somebody that isn't likely to upgrade anytime soon. He isn't an enthusiast like us. The stronger cpu is better for regular people.

Light gaming on an extremely tight budget? An AMD APU is the way to go.

No gaming, just general usage? Whatever the faster cpu is for the money. In this particular instance, it's was the Intel build.

i am a fanboi of what? even i have suggested configs with i5/i7 to people.

for a low budget amd is the way to go. if you have some dough to spare, then intel becomes an obvious choice.

now you tell me which of the scenarios this thread fits into

Considering the Intel build he posted was the same price range, it was better in this thread.

dont even answer to that ... (btw fanboY) its a mere and low troll attempt.

de.das.dude used the term fanboi first.

 

[GreiverBlade]

de.das.dude used the term fanboi first.

i was correcting him on that... after, as far as i know DDD isnt a fanboy too bad he used the term firstly

and for the recommendation of other saying "i would go Intel setup and add a 5450" that was what motivated my argument in the post you quote

 

[Wile E]

i was correcting him on that... after, as far as i know DDD isnt a fanboy too bad he used the term firstly

and for the recommendation of other saying "i would go Intel setup and add a 5450" that was what motivated my argument in the post you quote

Yeah, I do not recommend getting a video card in this build. It just isn't needed, and will be a waste of money and power consumption.

 

[super_slav]

I updated both the AMD and Intel build, I think the intel one would be a bit more future proof and if he needs games later on he can always add a gpu for cheap.

AMD
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=198696&action=wish_lists

Intel
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=199578&action=wish_lists

 

[PLAfiller]

I updated both the AMD and Intel build, I think the intel one would be a bit more future proof and if he needs games later on he can always add a gpu for cheap.

AMD
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=198696&action=wish_lists

Intel
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=199578&action=wish_lists

2nd build: can't you ditch the DVD (install Windows from flash) and the case as well (may be try to find something 2nd hand or some case laying around) and use those 70 bucks on the CPU? or it won't make a difference? (I mean you selected $70 for CPU+ eventually $70= 140 ~ i3 3220?)

 

[Dent1]

I updated both the AMD and Intel build, I think the intel one would be a bit more future proof and if he needs games later on he can always add a gpu for cheap.

AMD
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=198696&action=wish_lists

Intel
https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=wish_lists&wlcId=199578&action=wish_lists

For the price I couldn't fault either build.

The integrated video is better in the AMD. CPU is slightly faster in the Intel. For HD video both will do the job. If you don't mind dropping money on a dedicated video card in the future if your mates needs change I would go Intel.

Side note, you don't have any thermal paste or case fans in the basket.

 

[super_slav]

For the price I couldn't fault either build.

The integrated video is better in the AMD. CPU is slightly faster in the Intel. For HD video both will do the job. If you don't mind dropping money on a dedicated video card in the future if your mates needs change I would go Intel.

Side note, you don't have any thermal paste or case fans in the basket.

The CPU comes with heat sink and thermal paste on both builds. Also I think the stock coolers on the Intel are far quieter. I have a few 120mm fans lying around too.

 

[de.das.dude]

fanboi is the l337 term.
anyways. the pentium is only marginally better in cpu performance. and obviously this users concern does not lie with cpu performance, else he would have got a better budget. hence seeing how gpu acceleration is actually good, having something with a little bit of gpu power wouldnt be a bad idea.

 

[GreiverBlade]

nahhh that would be F4nb01 in 1337 sp34k... Fanboi is just hum nah i better not be insulting with west side thugs in training wanabe xD (joking ofc ... )

then my estimed Triple D, im off ... that topic begin to become rather iritating for me

oh yes ... STOCK COOLER???!!!??? BOTH are TERRIBAD! at last go with a Cooler Master Hyper Tx3 EVO ... its dirtcheap and way better than stock.

 

[janeparker]

May be I am bit late, but as per the need I would suggest AMD.

 

[Zubasa]

nahhh that would be F4nb01 in 1337 sp34k... Fanboi is just hum nah i better not be insulting with west side thugs in training wanabe xD (joking ofc ... )

then my estimed Triple D, im off ... that topic begin to become rather iritating for me

oh yes ... STOCK COOLER???!!!??? BOTH are TERRIBAD! at last go with a Cooler Master Hyper Tx3 EVO ... its dirtcheap and way better than stock.

The terrible stock coolers still gets the job done for these chips.