Building new PC

[Bill_Bright]

Heat is reason why i run sata.

I think this is a great point.

When it comes to performing program tasks (like moving objects in a game, rendering graphics, or compiling a large data base) - other than loading files - the drive's performance really plays very minor role compared the CPU, graphics solution and RAM. And that is particularly true if there is a big chunk of RAM for the OS and CPU to play in.

It is very important to remember that even the slowest SSD can run circles around the fastest hard drive. So yes, while there are some SSDs that are faster than the 980 PRO, that's like comparing a Porsche 911 (SATA SSD) to a Bugatti (NVMe M.2 SSD) to a Ford Fiesta (hard drive).

but the point is that the difference in real world usage isn't noticeable according to reviewers,

My point too - that is, in a blind side-by-side comparison, a user is very unlikely to "see" any difference between a decent SATA SSD and the NVMe M.2 SSD running in two otherwise identical computers. And if not side-by-side, they will not notice any difference - except on paper (benchmark results).

As far as that Anandtech review - that was made way back in 2020 when the Samsung first came out. Samsung has made some tweaks to the SSD since then and some new products have come out since then too. That is why I posted a link to a more current review.

And to be fair - at some point, when you are spending your own money - personal preference is indeed a valid factor in the purchase decision as long as it does not blind you to some obvious, relevant and critical flaw in the product.

If you're copying hundreds of GB every day or work with video editing

These are two very different, almost polar opposite (in terms of hardware requirements) tasks. For sure, moving files around is obviously very disk intensive. But video editing is MUCH MORE dependent on CPU and RAM horsepower. In fact, disk performance is almost insignificant for video editing.

 

[ThrashZone]

Heat is reason why i run sata.

Hi,
I'd add sata are also easier to deal with reinstalling windows
Most m.2 slots are not in easy to access locations and using one or two for storage wouldn't be all that easy to remove the storage m.2 for clean installing.
Only easy m.2 would be the os one but no doubt all m.2 are hot spots.

 

[SL2]

But video editing is MUCH MORE dependent on CPU and RAM horsepower. In fact, disk performance is almost insignificant for video editing.

I know I said editing videos, but I meant working with video in general, so in a way I just repeated myself (large files).

 

[ThrashZone]

I know I said editing videos, but I meant working with video in general, so in a way I just repeated myself (large files).

Hi,
Not sure you can blame ssd's for crappy windows explorer though

 

[SL2]

Samsung has made some tweaks to the SSD since then and some new products have come out since then too.

Which models have Samsung launched since then with this kind of performance? All I see is 980 Pro, not counting OEM models.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Which models have Samsung launched since then with this kind of performance? All I see is 980 Pro, not counting OEM models.

Sorry but I didn't say new "Samsung" models. I said new products. I was not clear I meant new products by a variety of makers.

 

[purecain]

May i enquire what this PC is to be used for? Why Intel? I'm just interested.

 

[eidairaman1]

Hi,
I'd add sata are also easier to deal with reinstalling windows
Most m.2 slots are not in easy to access locations and using one or two for storage wouldn't be all that easy to remove the storage m.2 for clean installing.
Only easy m.2 would be the os one but no doubt all m.2 are hot spots.

Yeah, im not a fan of m.2. rather be SATA or pcie riser/pcie nvme

 

[Shou Miko]

Hi,
I'd add sata are also easier to deal with reinstalling windows
Most m.2 slots are not in easy to access locations and using one or two for storage wouldn't be all that easy to remove the storage m.2 for clean installing.
Only easy m.2 would be the os one but no doubt all m.2 are hot spots.

It's not a problem anymore installing Windows 10 21H2 or Windows 11 on a M.2. when your chipset is supported in the ISO from MS but I believe it might be a problem on 12gen Intel because it's so new but with 11gen Intel and AMD Zen 3 I never had a problem installing Windows.

 

[horik]

Will be used for internet, office work and light gaming (strategy games)
This CPU has low power consumption and good performance.

 

[purecain]

What do you think of the 5800X3d? I'm thinking of downgrading to it. Or is intel just your preferred brand. I have to admit intel builds are solid.

 

[eidairaman1]

What do you think of the 5800X3d? I'm thinking of downgrading to it. Or is intel just your preferred brand. I have to admit intel builds are solid.

5800 oem here, no troubles out of the AsRock B550 Steel Legend. Runs 3600 ram

 

[purecain]

5800 oem here, no troubles out of the AsRock B550 Steel Legend. Runs 3600 ram

Cool, have you tried streaming with it. The 1800x and 2700x could handle streaming so I imagine the 5800x does well, the 5800x3d even more so. I cant help but be impressed by the single core result on cpuz. I'm almost certainly going to downgrade and sell the 5950x.

 

[eidairaman1]

Cool, have you tried streaming with it. The 1800x and 2700x could handle streaming so I imagine the 5800x does well, the 5800x3d even more so. I cant help but be impressed by the single core result on cpuz. I'm almost certainly going to downgrade and sell the 5950x.

It was 262 on ebay after i called someone out for claiming it was an X

 

[Mac the Geek]

Well for sure, that case will house your components no problem with lots of room to spare. And it offers some really good fan support too. However, as I noted above, it does not support USB 3.0 or Type-C connectors in front. This means many, if not all of your current USB devices (flash drives, cell phone, external drives, etc.) will still work, but not at optimal performance. Also no air filters.

If budget allows, I would get a modern case. If current budget does not allow, then this will do, for now.

If he's attached to the case, and has one of the 5.25 bays to spare, he can add a hub to gain 3.0 and Type-C ports. Pretty much any motherboard he targets will have the right headers.

Example: https://www.newegg.com/p/376-0067-00006

 

[Bill_Bright]

If he's attached to the case, and has one of the 5.25 bays to spare, he can add a hub to gain 3.0 and Type-C ports.

Good point. Still no air filters, but that may not be a concern. But if the house has 4-legged shedders and 2-legged rug rats running around stirring up dust and everything else floating around in the air, then filters may soon become a concern - or at least will necessitate frequent visual inspections for dust build up, and possible cleaning.