cod 5

[TheMailMan78]

Uh, it's a sequel? I didn't know that...interesting. Though call it what you want, it's a knock-off. It's called lazy development, deal with it.

Perks, favorites? Oh look, bonus abilities for n00bs, and now look, a knock-off game with even more of your 'favorite' perks.

I'm sorry I destroyed your argument. Really I am.

As for the point about number five..what are you, twelve? Do you read out of politically correct and rewritten 'history' books? Do you know how close the Allies came to losing?

You do know that isn't remotely true. The American mainland was never even touched. If you call taking over some unsuspecting non-militaristic countries and then getting wiped out almost winning then I have a bridge to sell ya. The only reason the Germans got as far as they did is because they didn't F#%K with the U.S. and made a deal with Russia. As soon as we were attacked and they broke their word to Russia, Hitler signed his death warrant. The world made Nazis extinct for a reason. Why would you want to role-play as one? It would go in these steps.

1. The game starts out you're drunk and poor in a bar looking to blame someone. Then a guy comes along with a dumb ass mustache and gives you a job making bombs. Then he tells you people that are different than you are bad and the ones to blame for you being poor.

2. You join the army to fight the "Bad" people. You end up killing/rapping innocent men women and children. All the time no one fights back with any effectiveness because no one understood your intentions.

3. People get pissed off and slaughter you back to your own front door killing and raping your family.

4. You die. Game over.

Sounds like a great game to me.

Inf3rno, they don't touch Axis, primarily because of the Nazis. Developers are all for violence, gore, immorality, filth, pornography, but Nazis... woah now, that's a whole 'nother bag ya? Except if you're blowing them up, then it's ok.

Do you have any idea what the Nazis did? They have yet to make a game that comes remotely close to what they did to people. Hell what they did to some of their own people. Maybe this is why no game developer gives you the option to "play" as one. :shadedshu

 

[Msap14]

Care

Yay! Fish (cod) World at war

 

[newconroer]

I think from your two main responses there, that you are indoctrinated with post 1950s liberalised historical nonsense.

It seems to me you have no idea who the Nazis were beyond the short dude with the moustache, and some guys that did 'bad things.'

I love your comment about how the Nazis must have been sooooo horrifying, so much so that developers won't let you assume the role of one.

Because you know, violence, gore, immorality, filth, rape etc. from a Russian soldier's stand is totally different and justifiyable as opposed to a Nazi?

Right...ya, you're definatley mis-guided.


If you want to talk about 'crimes against humanity,' atrocities and genocide, we can talk about Lenin and Stalin and their campaign of false communism as a front to masqeurade the real iron fist, and the butchering of over fourty million of their own people, not to mention the spreading of communism by force.

Is that in your history books?


Never the less, it makes a simple point. It's ironic how everything but Nazis is taboo for developers. There are far worse things then the myth exaggerated image people have of Nazis.


And yes, the Americans were very lucky with Normandy. Had the Germans been there in force, the Americans would have been pushed back into the ocean, and had to pull troops from the far east to aid (if even possible). Hitler would have put his troops back into the north and officially conquered Moscow, and who knows from there? They might still have lost..we don't know, THAT'S THE GOD DAMNED POINT OF TRYING IT OUT IN A GAME.


Lol the irony.

 

[Triprift]

Hmm im actually quite enjoying waw sure the gameplay can be drawn out but ww2 battles were generally drawn out. Havnt tried the zombie bit yet. =/

 

[TheMailMan78]

I think from your two main responses there, that you are indoctrinated with post 1950s liberalised historical nonsense.

It seems to me you have no idea who the Nazis were beyond the short dude with the moustache, and some guys that did 'bad things.'

I love your comment about how the Nazis must have been sooooo horrifying, so much so that developers won't let you assume the role of one.

Because you know, violence, gore, immorality, filth, rape etc. from a Russian soldier's stand is totally different and justifiyable as opposed to a Nazi?

Right...ya, you're definatley mis-guided.


If you want to talk about 'crimes against humanity,' atrocities and genocide, we can talk about Lenin and Stalin and their campaign of false communism as a front to masqeurade the real iron fist, and the butchering of over fourty million of their own people, not to mention the spreading of communism by force.

Is that in your history books?


Never the less, it makes a simple point. It's ironic how everything but Nazis is taboo for developers. There are far worse things then the myth exaggerated image people have of Nazis.


And yes, the Americans were very lucky with Normandy. Had the Germans been there in force, the Americans would have been pushed back into the ocean, and had to pull troops from the far east to aid (if even possible). Hitler would have put his troops back into the north and officially conquered Moscow, and who knows from there? They might still have lost..we don't know, THAT'S THE GOD DAMNED POINT OF TRYING IT OUT IN A GAME.


Lol the irony.

Well the Germans were the ones that started the aggression. THEY attacked Russia. Russia in turn went into Germany and acted as the Germans did in their country. Does it make them any less brutal? No. Does it make what they did in Berlin right? Not in the least. However the Germans started the fight. They started the war. Russia just finished it for them. Right or wrong it could have been avoided if Germany hadn't STARTED the slaughter. Ever heard the term "Mess with the bull and get the horn."?

You also assume that Moscow would have fallen if Hitler would have reinforced the north. Napoleon thought the same thing. However it was a logistical nightmare. To hold a country the size of Russia you need the man power of modern day China. Germany had the element of surprise and they couldn't even hold Stalingrad. They were surrounded and crushed. I know Stalin was as bad if not worse than Hitler by far. However the difference is you're not playing his campaigns against his own people. You're playing to keep your country "free". It's a principle fight. Not an idealistic fight. Big difference.

As for the Americans getting their asses kicked on Normandy if the beach was reinforced I completely agree. Hitler made a huge mistake moving his panzer divisions north in anticipation of Patton's "wooden army". But you also have to remember Normandy was invaded on more than just one beach. Several of the other beaches were met with little resistance if any. Just because one beach "could" have failed doesn't mean they all would have. Reinforced or not.

You have to remember we had already defeated the Nazis in Africa and Italy by this time. The Nazis were running low on supplies and were fighting two fronts. Logistically looking back the Germans started a war they could have never won. The reason developers don't allow you to play as them is they were the root cause of millions upon millions of peoples death. Why you would want to play as someone that caused all this destruction is beyond me. Also no matter what book you read they did start the fight. Everyone else just finished it for them.

 

[johnspack]

Very good game. Never go below 60fps at 1920x1200, 4xaa and max settings. Didn't play cod below cod4, so the wwii theme is new to me. Also speaking as a person of russian descent, I can tell you that russian citizens got it just as bad as german ones. It was a bad time, leave it there. Play the game and be glad you don't have to live it!

 

[andrewsmc]

Ok then. What don't you like about this game? Other than the fact its set in WW2 what else is "wrong" with it? I would love to hear what this game is lacking that CoD4 has.

My standard for games is much higher than the average person on this forum. Iv been a gamer longer than some of you guys have been alive. Experience has to count for something.

It really does not matter about experience, Maybe people just have different views and opinions than yourself. Maybe besides thinking your perfect take a step back and have a look at other people opinions.

P.S. I thought the game sucked. Certainly Online, it is maybe too fast paced.

 

[MilkyWay]

pfft the best part of COD was the british missions bring back britain!

i didnt really like cod 4 that much the singleplayer wasnt too good you know after its done its okay and the missions arnt awe inspiring but the multiplayer was good a lot of people love it, i recognised it was good i just didnt play much for various reasons

then COD waw is just like that too except not as well done, fails at singleplayer isnt quite as good as COD 4 online

whats the point in veitnam games oh here is an ambush everyone dies you fail you cant change history
and then people moan about a made up war OH ITS NOT REAL BLAH BLAH
then people moan the even modern wars like the 1st gulf war are starting to get over used
how is a ww1 game meant to work everyone runs over the trench and dies, the opposing side repeat and all die this equals a total stalemate, wait 5 hours for shells to rain on enemy trenches and then realise they all hid in their bunkers and survived

just be satisfied with a made up war okay, then they can make up weapons or base them on real life weapons make up any type of environment to fight in ect

 

[MilkyWay]

everybody just calm down if America hadn't intervened Russia would still have beat back the Nazis if nothing but by sheer numbers of troops honestly

Russia pushed back the Nazis but with an extremely high cost in lives, i think it was speculated to be around 20million Russians dead

i know about Stalin he wasnt a particularly good person but then again he was nothing compared to the Nazis, Stalin was an extremely paranoid fool he kept thinking everyone was against him he was afraid of the west

i dont want to play as a Nazi why would you want to discriminate kill rape and murder and spread propaganda

the nazis told people lies okay and they used tricks to get people to love them, like giving them public works like the autobahn sure it makes it seems like everyone has a job now but its spending public money and the autobahn was his secret weapon to transport troops fast

the nazis where nothing during the 20s during the golden years of the Weimar republic, it wasnt until shit hit the fan in the early 30s during the great depression that the nazis gained a foothold, people were like yeah they seem cool they will solve our unemployment problems, get us back our strength, they blamed the jews for the loss in WW1, nazis opposed the treaty of Versailles which germans hated, germany had supported many minority governments so they thought might as well give nazis a chance they seem to have a lot of answers


they also gave out emergency powers to previous governments so they thought nothing of giving hitler these powers giving him free reign to pass any laws and go about destroying the parliament because he could, still he was rising in popularity

many western leaders liked hitler because he seemed to be doing a good job this meant he could go about secretly building up forces

when he put troops in the Rhineland that was made a demilitarised zone western leaders where like meh it was german anyway so who cares

i know far to much about the rise of the nazis LOL and how hitler was just a con artist

another thing people harked back to the times when germany was ruled by a monarch they where used to a single ruler and when they where forced to go democratic they struggled
later on hitler merged the posts of chancellor and president into one becoming fuhrer people wanted that in germany at the time

 

[johnspack]

Actually, we did beat back the nazi's by ourselves. Our weather, our hardiness... our tanks! The supply line for the nazi's failed, and then we finished them!

 

[J-Man]

I love the single player but I haven't tried multiplayer yet.

 

[das müffin mann]

actually our tanks were crap compared to the panzer and the tiger...seriously crap the Sherman well it just wasn't on par

and tbh im not sure Russia could have held back the Nazi's if we didn't open up another front (im leaning more towards no, but there is no way to tell)
although Hitler was far to hasty and impatient when it came to russia...

 

[Tatty_Two]

Actually, we did beat back the nazi's by ourselves. Our weather, our hardiness... our tanks! The supply line for the nazi's failed, and then we finished them!

Actually as you said, the weather finished them, by the time winter fell, not a single shot really needed to be fired, they would have ran or died, they had no food, no medical supplies and woofully inadequate clothing, I think at one point most of the Wehmacht had only about 7 bullets each and they were eating dead rotting dogs and rats, nevertheless without the Americans, the Nazis would not have been under threat on so many different fronts and spread so thinly so, especially in Western Europe, Victory was largely down to them and without them.....well it doesent bare thinking about. Yes, as a single nation, Russia paid probably the highest cost in lives, too many people however tend to forget just how many millions of lives were lost across Europe before the Americans intervened and the fact that the second World War spanned 6 years and not 4 or whatever it was, damn in the UK alone, almost a whole generation was lost in the fighting......I dread to think the impact occupation had for the French, Dutch, Belgians etc etc.......best not to dwell too much on the past!

 

[pepsi71ocean]

Actually as you said, the weather finished them, by the time winter fell, not a single shot really needed to be fired, they would have ran or died, they had no food, no medical supplies and woofully inadequate clothing, I think at one point most of the Wehmacht had only about 7 bullets each and they were eating dead rotting dogs and rats, nevertheless without the Americans, the Nazis would not have been under threat on so many different fronts and spread so thinly so, especially in Western Europe, Victory was largely down to them and without them.....well it doesent bare thinking about. Yes, as a single nation, Russia paid probably the highest cost in lives, too many people however tend to forget just how many millions of lives were lost across Europe before the Americans intervened and the fact that the second World War spanned 6 years and not 4 or whatever it was, damn in the UK alone, almost a whole generation was lost in the fighting......I dread to think the impact occupation had for the French, Dutch, Belgians etc etc.......best not to dwell too much on the past!

if you are talking about the eastern front, it wa sheer lack of focus on the German side. The Germans never developed a counter attack to a blitzkrieg, and thus during the second year of Barbarossa the Russians used the German blitz against the German forces. This allowed a pincer movement that ended up encircling the whole German 6th army at Stalingrad. Out numbers 8:1 the Germans ended up loosing at Stalingrad because the Germans lacked the ability to resupply through air, and even when they could more often then not the air drops ended up in Russian hands. The failure of hitler, to allow General Paulus to pull out ended up in the surrender of some 150,000 German soldiers. Hitler the day prior promoted Paulus to Field Marshal, thinking that Paulus would kill himself, however he surrendered.

what i find is redicilouis, and only found among communist nations is that of the roughly 91,000 German POW's taken at Stalingrad, some 27,000 died within weeks of the surrender, and on top of that, only about 5,000 returned to Germany in 1955. Yes people that's right, 10 years after the war ended.


The only thing that kept the Normandy invasion a success was the fact that the 15th army was tied up at Callais, and that operation Double cross was a success, along with Fortitude. If hitler had given Rommel the ability to use the 15th panzer, Rommel could have repelled the beach invasion withing days of D-Day.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I think both Tatty_One and pepsi71ocean are correct. You guys touched on the major factors that cause the Germans failure in the east. Winter has always been Russia greatest ally. Combine that with Russia using their sheer numbers plus a solid blitz and Germany was doomed. Even if the U.S. never got involved Germany would have failed. The only reason they ever got as far as they did is by surprise.

As for their superior technology it was their greats strength and weakness. The Panzers were very advanced during their day. So advanced in fact they would have to be shipped back to Berlin to be repaired in some cases. Also to save on weight and improve maneuverability they made the treads thin. This can be a huge advantage in urban combat. Russian tanks on the other hand had very wide treads for a reason. Once it snowed the Germans found out why. Thin tracks suck in the snow. Combine that with the Panzers massive weight and you have a big block of useless steel. Hell even the "crappy" Sherman had a huge advantage to most tanks in the war. You could drop a whole new engine in it within a few hours. They would airdrop an engine or just load it up in the back of a truck if necessary. Replacing the motor was a last resort too! Combine its simplicity with its sheer numbers and the Sherman served with pride.

Also to my European friends as an American I don't feel you "owe" us anything for our involvement. It pisses me off when I hear another American say this. We got involved because we were attacked and it was the right thing to do. To be honest we should have mobilized earlier. The only thing Iv ever felt any of you guys owe us is a mutual respect. Something I think has been lost on both sides of the pond.