Could you put a price on this USED build?

[wheresmycar]

It's been used for 2-3 years for gaming (casual) and cryto/stock trading. No mining. No overclocking. The seller hasn't disclosed a price.

I don't have much other info on it but have all the freedom in the world to check it out, test it out, compare specs, etc. According to him it works a treat, runs super super super quiet, some parts are newer, great airflow, below 60/65c temps on load (gaming) and delivers consistent performance with launch 2080 TI/9700K reviews (according to him). Being RTX 3000 costs a house nowadays im open to grabbing a Gen down if it hits 90fps+ at 1440p with Battlefield 2042 (the primary goal). Yours thoughts on the performance target would be appreciated too.

CPU: i7-9700K
GPU: RTX 2080 TI (AIO cooled)
RAM: 32GB (2x16) Gskill Trident Z RGB 3200/16CL
COOLER 1: X62 Kraken AIO (CPU cooler)
COOLER 2: X72 Kraken AIO (GPU cooler modded with a G12 NZXT mounting mechanism)
MOBO: ASUS Z390-E
SSD: 500GB Samsung 970 NVME
SSD: 2TB Crucial MX500
PSU: 750W EVGA G2 GOLD
OS: Win 10 Pro

Before I make a bumb of myself and offer too-low of a price... how much would you pay or whats it worth?

EDIT:
1. Seller is 100% trusted - not only a 20 year+ local family friend and also my brothers partner in business/investments
2. I'm (and the seller) based in the UK.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Always lowball first, they can only say no. Imo i'd say about 800 quid if i was buying it uk.

 

[phanbuey]

what country/ where are you buying this?

 

[bonehead123]

All of those parts are fairly capable, reliable ones for your uses, but obviously a few gens old, what really matters is how carefully it was handled during assembly/disassembly, and taken care of during it's lifetime, AND if the seller is a trusted one with lots of positive heat or other feedback, and not some beatnick scammer douchebag on ebay/craigslist/reddit etc..

But overall, I'd offer ~$700 shipped if in the US..... it's always easier to negotiate upwards than downwards..... start low & work up to whatever you feel comfortable with, then do a hard stop...... make sure you get lots of photos, as well as verifiable contact info (real name, phone #, physical address) from the seller.

 

[wheresmycar]

Sorry i should have mentioned the seller is 100% trusted and he's not only a 20 year+ "local" family friend but also my brothers partner in crime (trading and other investments). To cut it short, his word is gold. We're based in the UK.

$700 and £800 as the 2 suggested low-ballers? I'[m assuming he's quite familiar with specs/prices (considering he's a PC builder and enthusiast)... isn't that a little too low? Looking online, a used 2080 TI alone sells for around £800+. I don't want to look like an arse when putting an offer in so is the £800 mark a realistic low-baller or little too on the "low side"? How much would you say the used system is worth in general? I'd prefer a current evaluation assuming everything is in good condition and then see how much I can drop below the target.

 

[Sithaer]

what country/ where are you buying this?

This is important yes.

A friend of mine sold his weaker R5 3600/RTX 2070 ref blower style/budget Zalman case/stock CPU cooler and genereally cheaper hardware than whats listen in the OP for more than 1000$ to a friend/workmate of his so it was a friendly deal even.
That was around 1+ year ago and prices aint better nowadays.

Whats listed in the OP would easily go for 2k+ where I live maybe ~1500 if the seller is in a hurry, that mentioned 700-800$ offer wouldn't even cover the GPU alone.

 

[caroline!]

I'd offer 950 for it, max, because of the card and PSU. Being realistic if I were to get a build like that I'd need to get rid of the NZXT crap so I'd end up with a build that has no cooling at all, and what about the case? Those things cost money.

 

[phanbuey]

i mean i wouldn't sell that for less than 1200... it's realistically worth about 1500.

 

[maxfly]

$1500 to $1700 on the open market because of the gpu.
Id offer him a grand but bring $1200.

 

[wheresmycar]

I'd offer 950 for it, max, because of the card and PSU. Being realistic if I were to get a build like that I'd need to get rid of the NZXT crap so I'd end up with a build that has no cooling at all, and what about the case? Those things cost money.

Not sure about the case... i think it was a Phanteks one with the front airflow driven mesh. Premium looking case.

 

[RandallFlagg]

$1500-$1750 USD based on current market prices seems like a fair amount. An equivalent brand new PC will push $2000+ (I tried cyberpowerPC and it came out to 2200+) and won't have the quality parts in that build. Probably more in the UK.

Battlefield with a 2080Ti and 9700K will get CPU limited. But anything new in that price range is likely lower performance, and if you have confidence in this person then this is without the risk of scammers on e-bay and so on, while the seller doesn't have to mess with parting it out so they save time.

 

[Deleted member 215115]

I'd offer 950 for it, max, because of the card and PSU. Being realistic if I were to get a build like that I'd need to get rid of the NZXT crap so I'd end up with a build that has no cooling at all, and what about the case? Those things cost money.

You're suuuper lowballing a $1700 build and you're worried about the case? Really? Also, NZXT crap? What are you even talking about? Why would you get rid of two expensive coolers that probably work just fine?

 

[wheresmycar]

i mean i wouldn't sell that for less than 1200... it's realistically worth about 1500.

$1500-$1750 USD based on current market prices seems like a fair amount. An equivalent brand new PC will push $2000+ (I tried cyberpowerPC and it came out to 2200+) and won't have the quality parts in that build. Probably more in the UK.

this sounds more realistic.

I roughly checked all the parts individually at their "used/pre-owned" selling/sold prices (averages). Mostly taken from Ebay sold listings. Here's what I got and some of these numbers were trumped down eventhough a wider range of sales were selling for more:

CPU: i7-9700K - £175
GPU: RTX 2080 TI - £850
RAM: 32GB (2x16) Gskill Trident Z RGB 3200/16CL - £150
COOLER 1: X62 Kraken AIO (CPU cooler) -£50
COOLER 2: X72 Kraken AIO (GPU cooler modded with a G12 NZXT mounting mechanism) - £80
MOBO: ASUS Z390-E - £60
SSD: 500GB Samsung 970 NVME - £50
SSD: 2TB Crucial MX500 - £120
PSU: 750W EVGA G2 GOLD - £50
OS: Win 10 Pro - Estimating: £50
Case, x6 premium fans, sleeved cabling - Estimating: £90

Total: £1725

Looking at this, i agree the initial offer as a low-baller sits wishfully around £1200-£1300. What are your (and everyone else's) thoughts on this? Once we've determined the currrent value of the machine I'm sure I can easily twist his arms for that family-friend-partner association discount (I HOPE).

Battlefield with a 2080Ti and 9700K will get CPU limited. But anything new in that price range is likely lower performance, and if you have confidence in this person then this is without the risk of scammers on e-bay and so on, while the seller doesn't have to mess with parting it out so they save time.

Would I be CPU limited at 1440p? I'm not sure where I can check but can this type of build achieve around 90fps on Ultra settings in Battlefield 2042? I can't usually tell the difference above 80/90fps at 1440p hence not so fussed about the 144hz performance ceiling with my display.

About being CPU limited.. this won't affect actual gaming performance will it (lagging, glitches, screen tear, etc)?

Also just wandering, i take it the game is CPU heavy in its current form. Can we expect rolled out updates which help to lower the burden on the CPU? Or do 128-player maps simply demand way more CPU usage by design?

 

[Deleted member 202104]

Why not just ask what they want for it? Maybe they'll come back with £1000. Maybe they think it's solid gold and won't take less than £2000. Either way, let them make the first offer. Maybe you get a deal, or maybe you keep looking.

 

[John Naylor]

1. Rule of Thumb - For 30 years, this has held up quite well. Take your build cost and then subtract 10% after you turn it on for the 1st time .... then 5% for each month of age for 6 months (60% value at this point) ... then 10% for every 6 months thereafter.

0.5 year old - 60% of build cost
1.0 - 50%
1.5 - 40%
2.0 - 30%
2.5 - 20%
3.0 - 10%

Used AIOs is not a +. I had the opportunity to take down an all copper Swiftech AIO after 4 years and it was almost immaculate .... haven't fared as well with Aluminum / copper model examinations.... wasn't pretty. Science seems to be going out of vogue in recent years but there is no magic coolant formula that exists which prevents galvanic corrosion. This isn't new science, it's been around for 100+ years ... it's why boats have "sacrificial anodes" and who power plants and cooling tower owners employ consultants to test, analyze and augment their cooling water every 1 - 3 months. Corrosion inhibitors have a useful life of 18 - 24 months.

I'm not a videographer but here's some results.

I didn't wanna clog the post w/ big video windows so lose the * if ya want to view the links

h*ttps://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/corrosion-explored/[/URL]
h*ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC1kzO_gIp4
h*ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_r4tWpMHHI&t=8s

2. However, the dearth of new products + pandemic inflated pricing has induced folks to pay more of late. And you also have to look at it from a perspective of what will the value be a year from now when market returns to normal (assuming it does) in case you want to get a new box. And that's the problem especially with a family / friend .... the current market leaves a huge gap between vale and perceived value.... so whatever is actually fair would generally leave both sides less than happy.

3. The other problem is the value of the brand names .... and the model lines

- GPU would be the main one here..... looking at the 2xxx series, MSI Lightning Z and MSI Gaming X Trio had the top scores in TPUs 2080 Ti tests so that would warrant some extra cash ... MSI Duke, EVGA Ultra, Founders Edition ... that would be a solid deduct.

- The Asus MoBo saddled the original purchaser with the "RoG Tax" and while this generation was a solid performer, it's cost was $50 - $75 more than the competition which performed just as well or better.

- Haven't been keeping up with SSD pricing but, normally a 2 - 3 year old SSC is generaly far behind in performance than current models ... from a reality standpoint, do you care you shouldn't ... people will spend an extra $100 for one SSD that out benchmarks another regardless of the fact that you could remove on and insert the other and the user would never notice ... mostly because of the fact that SSD benchmarks don't measure anything that folks actually do on a regular basis and because when there is in difference it's has no "real world" impact. So is value based upon what it actually delivers or it's resale value ?

- Cases... you mentioned that you that it is a Phanteks, well that in and of itself if a good thing. Phanteks brings home the Case of The Year award from Computex more often than Alabama wins the College Football Championship. But which case ? A small budget case of a high performance case ? ... many of which (i.e. 600S) are quite affordable. Now usually a $150 case is something I'd pass on but in this instance, while I would have probably not chosen the 600S for an original build, I wouldn't pass up on this one just because it's not what I would have chosen. Contrary to popular "myth" it has great air flow and is feature list hits almost all of the points I want in a case others than 5 x 150mm of radiator.

h*ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6RDlHueKuU&t=363s

4. Finally it all comes down to "does it do what you want it to do ?"... If this fell onto my lap, as i do when someone asks me to do a new build and doesn't case what I do with them, I'll part it out and give him half the proceeds. If you're thinking "I will use this for a year of so, and than I wanna do a new build", then I'd say $550 - $650 because in a year or so I expect (subject to whether or not market returns to normal) it will be virtually worthless. If your thinking is "I can get by with this for 2 years maybe more than I'd do $850 - $900"

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Sorry i should have mentioned the seller is 100% trusted and he's not only a 20 year+ "local" family friend but also my brothers partner in crime (trading and other investments). To cut it short, his word is gold. We're based in the UK.

$700 and £800 as the 2 suggested low-ballers? I'[m assuming he's quite familiar with specs/prices (considering he's a PC builder and enthusiast)... isn't that a little too low? Looking online, a used 2080 TI alone sells for around £800+. I don't want to look like an arse when putting an offer in so is the £800 mark a realistic low-baller or little too on the "low side"? How much would you say the used system is worth in general? I'd prefer a current evaluation assuming everything is in good condition and then see how much I can drop below the target.

Problem is, the cpu is getting old. if he wants too much, you may as well use the money on something more modern and faster. Work out what you are willing to pay, and stick to it, be firm, if he says no, walk away.

 

[AsRock]

Sorry i should have mentioned the seller is 100% trusted and he's not only a 20 year+ "local" family friend but also my brothers partner in crime (trading and other investments). To cut it short, his word is gold. We're based in the UK.

$700 and £800 as the 2 suggested low-ballers? I'[m assuming he's quite familiar with specs/prices (considering he's a PC builder and enthusiast)... isn't that a little too low? Looking online, a used 2080 TI alone sells for around £800+. I don't want to look like an arse when putting an offer in so is the £800 mark a realistic low-baller or little too on the "low side"? How much would you say the used system is worth in general? I'd prefer a current evaluation assuming everything is in good condition and then see how much I can drop below the target.

That depends, he might of got it before the shit hit the fan and just looking for a fair price or at least get what he payed for it.

Don't know him so would not know, better ask what he wants for it and skip the BS and worry you low balled him or what ever.

Be careful of the F word.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Would I be CPU limited at 1440p? I'm not sure where I can check but can this type of build achieve around 90fps on Ultra settings in Battlefield 2042? I can't usually tell the difference above 80/90fps at 1440p hence not so fussed about the 144hz performance ceiling with my display.

About being CPU limited.. this won't affect actual gaming performance will it (lagging, glitches, screen tear, etc)?

Also just wandering, i take it the game is CPU heavy in its current form. Can we expect rolled out updates which help to lower the burden on the CPU? Or do 128-player maps simply demand way more CPU usage by design?

2042 is a cpu hog. 90fps is a big maybe with a 9700K/2080Ti. GPU probably won't be your limiter at 1440p most of the time. See thread below.


https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/q3i696

 

[wheresmycar]

Why not just ask what they want for it? Maybe they'll come back with £1000. Maybe they think it's solid gold and won't take less than £2000. Either way, let them make the first offer. Maybe you get a deal, or maybe you keep looking.

Absolutely...

The idea being, i just want to be comfortable with the know-how when entering into that conversation. When asked he might return the question "what are you willing to pay".

1. Rule of Thumb - For 30 years, this has held up quite well. Take your build cost and then subtract 10% after you turn it on for the 1st time .... then 5% for each month of age for 6 months (60% value at this point) ... then 10% for every 6 months thereafter.

0.5 year old - 60% of build cost
1.0 - 50%
1.5 - 40%
2.0 - 30%
2.5 - 20%
3.0 - 10%

The seller says he's had the machine for 2-3 years (with some parts purchased/replaced later). So let's say 2.5 years (20% build cost)

I checked each item's retail cost or googled launch MSRP prices. Total comes to £2650.00 (includes guesswork: £100 for case, £100 for 6 fans and £50 for sleeved cables)

20% of £2650 = £530

Thats nuts!!

More crazy if we take the current market pricing for GPUs into account. I could probably get £450-£550 alone for my current GTX 1080 TI.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I wouldn't pay more than 1400 euros for it..... If I were you I would keep your 1080 ti and just upgrade the rest of your platform and wait for the cost of new ones to come down. Especially considering something much faster than a 9700K like a 12600k would likely be more beneficial in 2042.

What are the rest of your current system specs?

 

[wheresmycar]

2042 is a cpu hog. 90fps is a big maybe with a 9700K/2080Ti. GPU probably won't be your limiter at 1440p most of the time. See thread below.


https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/q3i696

In this thread one of the guys #Burundis (second comment) suggests:

- "Because CPU is bottlenecking. Raise your graphical settings in order to ease the load off of your CPU and your GPU usage should get higher."

I was relieved as i'm opting for 1440p + ultra config. Then another dude #Assistx informed:

- "my 9700KF tanks on this game, 60-70 @ 1440p and dropping into the 20s in bad fights. Doesn't make any difference when I put the graphical settings at, it's worse when I drop it from 'ultra' to 'low'."

not a happy potential customer

If this is correct I might as well stick with my current 7700K 1080 TI setup... achieves 60fps (avg) in B2042 on ULTRA and im then happy to dial down on quality settings to HIGH for those added frames. Might have to deal with those higher temps and noise levels for a little longer.

EDIT: Just wandering if it's just a poorly executed/optimised game code. Maybe wait a little longer for updates and see how these otherwise pretty decent gaming chips perform. I did read somewhere that the larger portion of the CPU hog is due to the wider handling of a 128 multiplayer map + depth of visuals on a massive 3D map (something like that anyway)

 

[RandallFlagg]

In this thread one of the guys #Burundis (second comment) suggests:

- "Because CPU is bottlenecking. Raise your graphical settings in order to ease the load off of your CPU and your GPU usage should get higher."

I was relieved as i'm opting for 1440p + ultra config. Then another dude #Assistx informed:

- "my 9700KF tanks on this game, 60-70 @ 1440p and dropping into the 20s in bad fights. Doesn't make any difference when I put the graphical settings at, it's worse when I drop it from 'ultra' to 'low'."

not a happy potential customer

If this is correct I might as well stick with my current 7700K 1080 TI setup... achieves 60fps (avg) in B2042 on ULTRA and im then happy to dial down on quality settings to HIGH for those added frames. Might have to deal with those higher temps and noise levels for a little longer.

Yep saw that.

Here's a 10700K (same as 9900K) and 3070 Ti at 1440P ultra. This is definitely a faster combo than 9700K + 2080 Ti. He's mostly averaging 70-85 fps outdoors. Plenty of much lower fps low spikes though, however I saw even very high end 5950X + 3080 will have some bad low stutter/spikes right now.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yep saw that.

Here's a 10700K (same as 9900K) and 3070 Ti at 1440P ultra. This is definitely a faster combo than 9700K + 2080 Ti. He's mostly averaging 70-85 fps outdoors. Plenty of much lower fps low spikes though, however I saw even very high end 5950X + 3080 will have some bad low stutter/spikes right now.

I haven't seen anything lower than 100fps with a 5950X/3080 ti but it's really hard to get above 130fps. I have really low latency 3800 CL14 memory though. I haven't tried it on my 5800X system yet but my guess is they'd be similar considering I'm almost never gpu limited. From what I'm seeing you either want ryzen 5000 or intel 12th gen for this game. Preferably 12th gen if building right now.

 

[cvaldes]

The realistic price of this unit is the street value of the used GPU plus maybe a hundred dollars (USD).

The true value of this build is about USD 500.

 

[eidairaman1]

3 gen old core i cpu. 750-775.