CPU heats up to 77-80c when running Virtual Dub

[Athlonite]

Now, someone mention that i am using a powersuppy of 130 watts? No i am not lol. My Powersupply is 500watts. The desktop T3500 i bought came with Dell Precision T3500 Workstation | 2.4GHz Xeon W3503 | 4gb DDR3 | 250gb | DVDROM | 500 watts PSU. All i did was added a Xeon 5670, AMD Firepro W5000, more ran to total 16GB ddr3, and 4 more hard drives and 2 more DVD drives.

all of which will increase the heat generated inside of your case leading to poorer cooling overall so getting a better HSF for you CPU will do little if the temps inside the case remain high getting a better case with more fans pushing air through it and a better HSF will do more to keep temps down when the CPU is under stress than anything else you do

 

[RadeonProVega]

more importantly... how do you have 16 gb of triple channel ram?

I guess he use 8gb+4gb+4gb=16gb

Yup. Buying a 8GB stick next week to max it out to 24.

all of which will increase the heat generated inside of your case leading to poorer cooling overall so getting a better HSF for you CPU will do little if the temps inside the case remain high getting a better case with more fans pushing air through it and a better HSF will do more to keep temps down when the CPU is under stress than anything else you do

I hear what you're saying, but it only gets that warm running one program. Speedfan helps though , it says around 60c when i have the fans running when using that program. This gaming workstation rig i am done upgrading once i get the extra memory to max it out and i buy a Radeon Pro WX card soon. I will take your advice when i build my secondary gaming rig in a few months and make sure i have a better case and more fans.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Yup. Buying a 8GB stick next week to max it out to 24.

I am not sure about your mobo but some X58 boards will work up to 48gb.....

 

[silentbogo]

VirtualDub stresses the FPU, which in Westmere terms always means heat. Plus, Westmere does not have a built-in decoder as modern CPUs, which means most of the heavy lifting is done in software using raw CPU performance. My old x5650 would go to 100% load even if I'm watching Youtube in 1080p. High-bitrate HEVC content was a nightmare.
L5640 is a low-power CPU, that's what "L" stands for (TDP 60W).X5670 is a high performance server CPU (TDP 95W)
And that's before any overclocking. Also, if you are using that shitty stock heatsink w/ plastic blower, you may want to upgrade it to something beefier.
BTW, 80C on Westmere is quite OK, so if you don't know what you are doing, you may leave it at that.
But if you are enthusiastic about this rig and you have at least the basic understanding of BIOS settings - keep reading.

I used to have a decent x5650, which could clock as high as 4.2 for daily use with proper cooling, and from personal experience I can tell you this:
1) Most x58 boards are bad at automatically setting voltages (even super-expensive enthusiast boards). Some may even set it as high as 1.35V+ on Auto.
2) The only way to reduce temperatures on Westmere is to reduce vCore voltage and install proper aftermarket cooling solution.
My old CPU could stay stable at voltages as low as 1.1V vCore @3.6GHz, but it was a lucky silicone lottery winner (4.7GHz stable on air for 6 cores/ 12 threads, could go as high as 5+GHz if only I had watercooling).
If you are running it at stock frequencies, I suggest you drop the core voltage to 1.2V right away, test for stability for a day or two, then start dropping it in decrements of 0.2V to find the sweet spot.
If your motherboard allows it, you may also set DDR3 voltages manually to nominal (mine would set 0.05-0.1V above nominal on auto).
There are also many things you can do to run it more efficiently, but it's a long topic. Just look up "Westmere overclocking guide" or something along these lines, and start working in reverse.

 

[RadeonProVega]

I am not sure about your mobo but some X58 boards will work up to 48gb.....

Seems to be 24GB for my MB.

VirtualDub stresses the FPU, which in Westmere terms always means heat. Plus, Westmere does not have a built-in decoder as modern CPUs, which means most of the heavy lifting is done in software using raw CPU performance. My old x5650 would go to 100% load even if I'm watching Youtube in 1080p. High-bitrate HEVC content was a nightmare.
L5640 is a low-power CPU, that's what "L" stands for (TDP 60W).X5670 is a high performance server CPU (TDP 95W)
And that's before any overclocking. Also, if you are using that shitty stock heatsink w/ plastic blower, you may want to upgrade it to something beefier.
BTW, 80C on Westmere is quite OK, so if you don't know what you are doing, you may leave it at that.

This is what i am using , it came with the desktop. What do you recommend better to replace it with, if there are more out there. It only heats up to around 80c when using virutal dub though, but as i said speed fan cools it down when using the program and its the only program that does that, so its not a serious concern. I also use freemake video player to encode videos and the temps stays at around 45c.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/U016F-Dell...h=item41b9679142:g:Rx4AAOSwa~BYSINV:rk:9:pf:0

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Seems to be 24GB for my MB.

Well almost on all X58 boards if you read spec it will said max is 24gb but as I said many of them will work up to 48gb....I tried on my P6X58D Premium and it works....

 

[newtekie1]

all of which will increase the heat generated inside of your case leading to poorer cooling overall so getting a better HSF for you CPU will do little if the temps inside the case remain high getting a better case with more fans pushing air through it and a better HSF will do more to keep temps down when the CPU is under stress than anything else you do

I hear what you're saying, but it only gets that warm running one program. Speedfan helps though , it says around 60c when i have the fans running when using that program. This gaming workstation rig i am done upgrading once i get the extra memory to max it out and i buy a Radeon Pro WX card soon. I will take your advice when i build my secondary gaming rig in a few months and make sure i have a better case and more fans.

The issue isn't the case or heat building up in it. The T3500 case is actually pretty decent, especially if you install a fan or two in the back. The problem is the tiny heatsink that Dell uses and the fact that is is passive, it has not active fan on the heatsink itself. It relies on the case fan in front of it to push air through the heatsink. Also, Dell uses a pretty conservative fan curve to keep the fans quiet over lower temperatures. The computer will only really start to ramp the fans up once the CPU gets to around 90°C, which is still below the TJMax of the CPU, so technically safe. This is also why using speedfan to force the fans to speed up earlier keeps the temperatures down.

Also, suggesting a new case simply won't work. The motherboard literally won't fit into a standard case, it is not a standard ATX size and the screw holes don't match the standard layout.

 

[Athlonite]

Ah so it's an OEM proprietary design well that makes a difference then doesn't it well maybe like you said a couple more fans and perhaps a better HSF would make a difference to the CPU's heat output

 

[silentbogo]

Well almost on all X58 boards if you read spec it will said max is 24gb but as I said many of them will work up to 48gb....I tried on my P6X58D Premium and it works....

"Mostly" is the right word. Some high-end enthusiast boards do support up to 48GB unofficially, but I wouldn't risk going over specced 24GB on an OEM prebuilt.
I had both Rampage II GENE and Gigabyte x58a-USB3 which did support 48GB on latest BIOS, and some success running cheap 4GB FB-DIMMS on chinese x58 boards (shitty ones w/ dual-channel RAM).

This is what i am using , it came with the desktop. What do you recommend better to replace it with, if there are more out there. It only heats up to around 80c when using virutal dub though, but as i said speed fan cools it down when using the program and its the only program that does that, so its not a serious concern. I also use freemake video player to encode videos and the temps stays at around 45c.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/U016F-Dell...h=item41b9679142:g:Rx4AAOSwa~BYSINV:rk:9f:0

Freemake is probably using DXVA, hence most of the workload falls on GPU. Virtualdub does everything on CPU. I don't think there is any resemblance of DXVA support, except for GPU-accelerated post processing.
Regarding cooler: start with adding some airflow to the case. Maybe add something simple, like an old funky Antec SpotCool just to blow some additional air through the fins; or see if you can mount a 60mm fan on it. I've just looked at photos of the case, and it seems like the only way to fit an aftermarket cooling solution is to remove both HDD cage and plastic shroud altogether.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Yup. Buying a 8GB stick next week to max it out to 24.

That would still not be "triple channel". Note dual channel and triple channel memory archetecture is a motherboard function, not RAM. The RAM does not care. When you see dual channel RAM or triple channel RAM, those are simply "marketing" terms for how the RAM is packaged for sale (2 sticks per pack, or 3 sticks). In the old days, it meant the individual sticks were tested then matched with 1 or 2 more to make a pair or triple.

For the "motherboard" to use "all" the RAM in dual channel or triple channel, the sticks MUST be the same size and specs (preferably same brand and model number too) and installed in pairs or trips.

Your motherboard has 6 RAM slots. It "appears" to supports triple-channel but I note the specs don't mention that! . But assuming with 6 slots it supports triple channel, if you are currently using 8GB+4GB+4GB, you are running in single channel. Adding another 8GB will not change that. To get 24GB in triple channel, you would have to go 3 x 8G or 6 x 4GB.

But don't despair. In almost all cases, more RAM trumps faster RAM.

 

[RadeonProVega]

That would still not be "triple channel". Note dual channel and triple channel memory archetecture is a motherboard function, not RAM. The RAM does not care. When you see dual channel RAM or triple channel RAM, those are simply "marketing" terms for how the RAM is packaged for sale (2 sticks per pack, or 3 sticks). In the old days, it meant the individual sticks were tested then matched with 1 or 2 more to make a pair or triple.

For the "motherboard" to use "all" the RAM in dual channel or triple channel, the sticks MUST be the same size and specs (preferably same brand and model number too) and installed in pairs or trips.

Your motherboard has 6 RAM slots. It "appears" to supports triple-channel but I note the specs don't mention that! . But assuming with 6 slots it supports triple channel, if you are currently using 8GB+4GB+4GB, you are running in single channel. Adding another 8GB will not change that. To get 24GB in triple channel, you would have to go 3 x 8G or 6 x 4GB.

But don't despair. In almost all cases, more RAM trumps faster RAM.

You know i completely forgot about all of that, i remember a few years back my performance was kinda iffy, but when i changed the ram sticks to be in order(by size,speed) , the performance was better. I can't fully remember everything about it though. Yes my computer has 6 slots, so that means i can go up to 48GB?
mb info
Manufacturer Dell Inc.
Model 09KPNV (CPU)
Version A00
Chipset Vendor Intel
Chipset Model X58
Chipset Revision 22
Southbridge Vendor Intel
Southbridge Model 82801JR (ICH10R)
Southbridge Revision 00

 

[Bill_Bright]

Yes my computer has 6 slots, so that means i can go up to 48GB?

No. If you follow the link in my previous post and look the specs pdf for your board, it says, "Up to 24GB4 1333MHz ECC and non-ECC memory in 6 DIMM slots"

However, that would suggest 4GB sticks are the biggest each slot can support ( 4 x 6 = 24). Since you already have 1 x 8GB in there, that spec sheet may be out of date. You may need to contact Dell. But frankly, 16GB is typically considered the "sweetspot". Less than 16GB and performance maybe noticeably degraded. However, more than 16GB and the performance gains are typically negligible - if noticeable at all.

 

[RadeonProVega]

No. If you follow the link in my previous post and look the specs pdf for your board, it says, "Up to 24GB4 1333MHz ECC and non-ECC memory in 6 DIMM slots"

However, that would suggest 4GB sticks are the biggest each slot can support ( 4 x 6 = 24). Since you already have 1 x 8GB in there, that spec sheet may be out of date. You may need to contact Dell. But frankly, 16GB is typically considered the "sweetspot". Less than 16GB and performance maybe noticeably degraded. However, more than 16GB and the performance gains are typically negligible - if noticeable at all.

Well this is what i did , i removed all the 2GB sticks , because it was decreasing the speed and i just left the 8GB stick in the computer and it now it says: 8.00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24) | 1333ghz speed

So i have 5 empty sticks left. So i guess i will just buy 2 more 8GB sticks(same brand/speed) and leave it be to 24gb?

 

[hat]

That would be optimal, if you can find the exact same ram as your 8GB kit. Or, if cheaper, find a triple channel 12GB kit? Unless you see yourself going over 12GB... 24GB is kind of a lot.

 

[Bill_Bright]

So i have 5 empty sticks left. So i guess i will just buy 2 more 8GB sticks(same brand/speed) and leave it be to 24gb?

Unless you can find official documentation for your board, I would be cautious. Though it certainly appears it supports 8GB sticks, I would ensure I could return them no questions asked.

You might visit the Crucial Memory Advisor and see what it says about 8GB sticks.

 

[Gasaraki]

I suggest you use new paste that way you don't have to "check if it's still up there"

 

[RadeonProVega]

Hey guys, off topic question but looking at this card, if you click the middle picture, that's not a dvi or vga port, its HDMI think, does my monitor need a HDMI to be able to use any cards that don't have vga or dvi? or is there a cord i neeed? because my monitor only has vga and dvi from what i can see.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Radeon...Yhb8lEa:sc:USPSPriority!21223!US!-1:rk:1:pf:0

 

[Zyll Goliat]

No you can use display to DVI adapter or HDMI to DVI adapter

 

[hat]

I think those are DisplayPort. You'd need some other type of adapter to make it work with DVI, probably an expensive one...

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I think those are DisplayPort. You'd need some other type of adapter to make it work with DVI, probably an expensive one...

No they are actually very cheap I get 2(DP to DVI)used not new for less then 5$ ....

 

[RadeonProVega]

No they are actually very cheap I get 2(DP to DVI)used not new for less then 5$ ....

yea i see them, thanks.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

yea i see them, thanks.

NP...and don´t worry you can mix different memory size as long as they work on the same speed&timings they should probably work normaly in triple channel.....