CPU temperature of a new build. Should I worry?

[Black Panther]

And to think for all the bits and pieces I've got lying around I couldn't find a working fan...
Well, but my brother wanted his pc now lol so I did some quick ghetto work...
That's actually an hdd cooler I used.
It looks funny and un-neat, but well he doesn't have a side-window in the panel
Tomorrow I'll go to the store and buy a proper exhaust fan.

For his birthday next May I think I'll buy him a case and a good cpu cooler.

This case here is hell to work on. There isn't space where to put the wires. The hard drive bays are to the side... (wtf?) and the cables have to be placed awkwardly.

I played around with this 5K BE and it goes up to 3Ghz very easily. But with my cooling the load temperatures started hitting 65.
With a good case and cooler I can oc this to 3.2Ghz for sure, if not more.

 

[Mussels]

that PC is... cramped and ugly.

put the HDD around the other way, and hide the cables on the other side of the case.
Run the 4 pin CPU aux power behind the mobo (doesnt have to be behind the screws or anything, just tuck it in there)

as for the ugly, some tequila can fix that.

 

[Black Panther]

Lol I know I know.... it's a prebuilt and (I think?) it looked even worse when I opened it before replacing the mobo and stuff.

Thanks for pointing out that the hdd can be installed the other way round. I was afraid there wouldn't be space to work.

Well there's no need for tequila, the ugly is hidden inside this black box....
My brother's coming for this within the next 5 minutes. If I tell him to wait till I do the WM he'd hate me forever lol!

 

[TheMailMan78]

It is kind of amazing what one fan can do in a case, dropping the load temps below what the idle temps were without the fan is a very big improvement.



Not really considering the cheap aluminum block style cooler, plus the motherboard is likely lowering the CPU fan speeds at idle. The load temps are what matters, always, and 56°C is more than acceptable for a weakish cooler.

She said "idling had been 58/60." without the case fan installed. That to me screams new case.

 

[newtekie1]

She said "idling had been 58/60." without the case fan installed. That to me screams new case.

Yes, but now it is idling at 41, and load is under 60. Who cares what the idle temps were without the case fan, what matters is the temps with the case fan.

I don't care how good the case is, you pull all the case fans out of it, and your temps are going to be shit.

Everyone wanted to cry "new case" when all it needed was a case fan to get temps down to acceptable levels.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yes, but now it is idling at 41, and load is under 60. Who cares what the idle temps were without the case fan, what matters is the temps with the case fan.

I don't care how good the case is, you pull all the case fans out of it, and your temps are going to be shit.

Everyone wanted to cry "new case" when all it needed was a case fan to get temps down to acceptable levels.

Thats not true and you know it. Case fans help. They can make all the difference in the world too but a well ventilated case can also. If your case needs a ton of fans to stay cool its a crappy case.

 

[newtekie1]

Thats not true and you know it. Case fans help. They can make all the difference in the world too but a well ventilated case can also. If your case needs a ton of fans to stay cool its a crappy case.

A well ventilated case, with no fans in it, will give shitty temps. It doesn't matter how good the case is, if you take out all the case fans, temps will be shit. A well ventilated case IS well ventilated because of the case fans, without the case fans the case can't be well ventilated, the hot air just sits there, and temps are shit.

And obviously this case doesn't need a ton of fans, since just one lowered the temps to well within acceptable ranges...

 

[TheMailMan78]

A well ventilated case, with no fans in it, will give shitty temps. It doesn't matter how good the case is, if you take out all the case fans, temps will be shit. A well ventilated case IS well ventilated because of the case fans, without the case fans the case can't be well ventilated, the hot air just sits there, and temps are shit.

And obviously this case doesn't need a ton of fans, since just one lowered the temps to well within acceptable ranges...

The only thing that raises a case temperature is trapped heat. Heat as you know rises. Cases like the HAF are open on the top. I can disconnect all the fans in my case and Ill bet you my whole rig Ill never hit 56 degrees at idle.

 

[newtekie1]

The only thing that raises a case temperature is trapped heat. Heat as you know rises. Cases like the HAF are open on the top. I can disconnect all the fans in my case and Ill bet you my whole rig Ill never hit 56 degrees at idle.

Yes, heat rises, but slowly. The natural convection isn't enough to keep the internal components cool, even in a case with an open top, try it, thats why we have case fans.

Good cases are good because they have good airflow, they have good airflow because of good fan placement, you remove the fans and the airflow is shitty. Shitty airflow=shitty temps.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yes, heat rises, but slowly. The natural convection isn't enough to keep the internal components cool, even in a case with an open top, try it, thats why we have case fans.

Good cases are good because they have good airflow, they have good airflow because of good fan placement, you remove the fans and the airflow is shitty. Shitty airflow=shitty temps.

Oh course. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing a good ventilated case will cool with or without fans. Better with fans mind you. As I said before I can disconnect every fan in my system with the exception of the CPU fan and I will NEVER hit 56c at idle. If I do its a crappy case!

 

[Zubasa]

Oh course. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing a good ventilated case will cool with or without fans. Better with fans mind you. As I said before I can disconnect every fan in my system with the exception of the CPU fan and I will NEVER hit 56c at idle. If I do its a crappy case!

For that matter, I just clocked my CPU to 3.6Ghz (all power saving features off) and go complete passive.
Right now I am running @55C

 

[newtekie1]

Oh course. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing a good ventilated case will cool with or without fans. Better with fans mind you. As I said before I can disconnect every fan in my system with the exception of the CPU fan and I will NEVER hit 56c at idle. If I do its a crappy case!

No, a good ventilated case will not cool well without fans. And with a shitty CPU cooler, any good case will hit 50-60C idle with no fans, no airflow means shitty temps. That is specifically why we have case fans. Even with a vent on the top, or the top completely open, the temps will be a lot higher without case fans. Natural convection simply isn't enough to create enough airflow to keep low temps.

A case without fans having high temps doesn't mean it is a crappy case. A case with fans having high temps means it is a crappy case.

As I said, try it, you will be surprised how hot things get with no airflow. Drop the stock cooler on your CPU, disconnect all the fans minus PSU and CPU, and watch how hot the temps get. 50+°C idle will happen, as will 70+°C load temps, doesn't matter how good the case. Every inch of the case can be vents, and idle temps will still be over 50°C.

It is idiotic to say any case that can't keep temps down without fans is crappy, and you know it. And it is especially idiotic to say this case is crappy, for that reason, when a single case fan(or really HDD cooler fan), solves the heat issue.

 

[TheMailMan78]

No, a good ventilated case will not cool well without fans. And with a shitty CPU cooler, any good case will hit 50-60C idle with no fans, no airflow means shitty temps. That is specifically why we have case fans. Even with a vent on the top, or the top completely open, the temps will be a lot higher without case fans. Natural convection simply isn't enough to create enough airflow to keep low temps.

A case without fans having high temps doesn't mean it is a crappy case. A case with fans having high temps means it is a crappy case.

As I said, try it, you will be surprised how hot things get with no airflow. Drop the stock cooler on your CPU, disconnect all the fans minus PSU and CPU, and watch how hot the temps get. 50+°C idle will happen, as will 70+°C load temps, doesn't matter how good the case. Every inch of the case can be vents, and idle temps will still be over 50°C.

It is idiotic to say any case that can't keep temps down without fans is crappy, and you know it. And it is especially idiotic to say this case is crappy, for that reason, when a single case fan(or really HDD cooler fan), solves the heat issue.

The reason I was willing to bet my rig is because I've done it. I've ran my rig with a stock CPU cooler without case fans before on my old case which wasn't as near ventilated as my HAF and it NEVER hit 50c at idle. I was experimenting trying to make a completely silent case. You must have a hot house or you applied the thermal paste wrong. A good case is key to keeping a cool system. Case fans should help and not be the deciding factor.

 

[HossHuge]

Is your AMD 5000+ one of the new 45nm ones?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103716

 

[Zubasa]

Is your AMD 5000+ one of the new 45nm ones?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103716

It is a BE which means it is the old K8.

 

[Mussels]

It is a BE which means it is the old K8.

then the higher temps make sense.

 

[HossHuge]

It is a BE which means it is the old K8.

Ooops, didn't see that.

 

[newtekie1]

The reason I was willing to bet my rig is because I've done it. I've ran my rig with a stock CPU cooler without case fans before on my old case which wasn't as near ventilated as my HAF and it NEVER hit 50c at idle. I was experimenting trying to make a completely silent case. You must have a hot house or you applied the thermal paste wrong. A good case is key to keeping a cool system. Case fans should help and not be the deciding factor.

They won't be the deciding factor in an amazing case, but a good/decent case still needs case fans. Actually, there are plenty of great cases out there that still would need case fans to cool properly(most of the Lian-Li cases as an example).

And I doubt any case, even the HAF, would keep a 5000+BE below 50°C with stock cooling and no case fans with the motherboard throttling the CPU fan. Remember, they run hotter than a 955 would, older architecture, 65nm, and higher voltages.

 

[TheMailMan78]

And I doubt any case, even the HAF, would keep a 5000+BE below 50°C with stock cooling and no case fans with the motherboard throttling the CPU fan. Remember, they run hotter than a 955 would, older architecture, 65nm, and higher voltages.

You're right. I didn't relize we were talking about a 5000+BE. I was talking in the context of a 45nm CPU.