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Custom waterloop GPU

But those are in black color, what about EK-DuraClear?


I use Innovatek Protect IP, no regrets

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Tubing is tubing, its all made from the same manufacturers and its almost completely irrelevant as long as you get the right size/length and don't buy some crap Chinese with subpar composition that dumps crap into your loop or something. I use OD Clearflex 60 medical grade tubing but it's irrelevant like I said.
 
Tubing is tubing, its all made from the same manufacturers and its almost completely irrelevant
That is true, he doesn't own a Windowed Case
 
Checked with alphacool support since they seemed easily reachable and they recommended TPV hoses for servers:

They last forever, are virtually indestructible and do not contain any plasticisers. This is my preferred hose: Click me And for this tube, the best fittings are this one: Click me

For coolant I also found this on their site which seems to be half the price what @dgianstefani mentioned and ticks all boxes. The innovatek I could not find in stock here and regarding Mayhem this is mentioned on their site:

Notice:
Attention: The manufacturer Mayhems advises that Mayhems fluids, especially the Aurora line of products, have been manufactured and distributed solely for show and modding purposes. These should not be utilized in the system for more than 14 days.

We would also like to advise that Mayhems fluids can damage water cooling products, and using Mayhems fluids can thereby void the warranties offered by the following manufacturers: Koolance, Phobya, Alphacool, Aqua Computer, Watercool.

And looking at this review VPP755 does not seem so bad. Only issue seems to be that it's not real PWM controlled but has 5 steps which I don't see to be a big issue. I also found another waterblock on aliexpress for 40 euros cheaper but never heard of this brand Bykski and I am kind of put off buying it from ali. It seems that this and alphacool are the only 2 blocks available for my 3070.

Radiator then I think I will go for the Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTX 280 (or GTS 280 if I have clearance issues).
 
It's objectively a waste of money to spend $250+ to custom loop a $499 dollar card, you will receive no additional performance past a couple % points, when you can achieve the same results in performance and noise with a thermal paste reapplication and a couple of case fans on the deshrouded card. That or just sell the card and buy actual performance with that $250+ with a 3080.

It's like buying a $10k hot hatch then spending $5k on fancy exhaust and rims, when you could have just spent $15k on a better car in the first place.
Except you will be able to Game while your wife is sleeping and not have to Game in your underwear in the summertime.

I have the Zotac 3070 Twin Edge and I am not very happy with the noise the cooler makes. I made a custom fan curve but it's still not great. Given the current price-hike of GPUs I think trying to get a better custom cooler GPU will cost me more or less the same as getting this card water cooled plus the benefit with a watercooling is that in the future I can re-use it and just get a new block. I have a CPU AIO which I don't plan to change but I do want to make the set-up future proof with the ability to add another radiator and a CPU block.

I am a noob at this so want to make sure I get all right. Anyone has any good guides to recommend? I am looking at alphacool and EK, are there any other recommended companies? Also any drawbacks at getting pump / reservoir combo?

Looking at alphacool I am thinking:
EK seems more expensive especially in the pump / reservoir combo and they only have aluminum waterblock for my card. What would you recommend?
I have the Eisstation and I have an Aurora block on my Vega 64. The GPU idles in the 20s and does not even hit 50 degrees while Gaming. The pump you will have to feel to make sure it is working. If I were you I would just get the Alphacool Quick connect tubes G1/4 (that is the most common size). I like to use the Corsair coolant because it is readily available on Amazon for a decent price and works well.
 
I already have my 280 AIO as intake + 2 top slow rotating fans as intake + 2 exhaust fans so not sure what more I can do in terms of case cooling. Open case did not help much in temps either. The Zotac just has a small cooler which is loud. TPU's review said the same.
Hi! I just saw this and think you may be able to resolve your issue by configuring that radiator for exhaust. Your case has poor intakes and you’re dumping all of your CPU heat straight into the case for your GPU to try and cool itself with.

Your CPU temps will rise a tiny bit in this configuration, but your GPU will be much better off. Remove the shroud and strap on some fans and you should be much better off at virtually no cost. I’d also remove any PCI brackets to help get fresh air to the GPU. Just something worth trying before you spend $200+!
 
I have the Zotac 3070 Twin Edge and I am not very happy with the noise the cooler makes. I made a custom fan curve but it's still not great. Given the current price-hike of GPUs I think trying to get a better custom cooler GPU will cost me more or less the same as getting this card water cooled plus the benefit with a watercooling is that in the future I can re-use it and just get a new block. I have a CPU AIO which I don't plan to change but I do want to make the set-up future proof with the ability to add another radiator and a CPU block.

I am a noob at this so want to make sure I get all right. Anyone has any good guides to recommend? I am looking at alphacool and EK, are there any other recommended companies? Also any drawbacks at getting pump / reservoir combo?

Looking at alphacool I am thinking:
EK seems more expensive especially in the pump / reservoir combo and they only have aluminum waterblock for my card. What would you recommend?
Hi,
Spec's on your pump is pretty low only 350 l/h max where as a typical D5 pump is 1500 l/h max

Tubing best is 3/8-5/8" or 10-15mm
Soft tubing make sure it's plaster free.

Fitting just make sure they are made of brass and what ever coating you prefer

Radiator yeah hardware labs gts 280 if you can find one on your side of the pond

Fluid use clear all colors do is stain and clog blocks mayhems X1 clear or XT-1 clear

Do not use a aluminum water block.
 
Thanks for the input. Couple of follow-up questions:
  1. I assume there should be no issues with mix and matching manufacturers as long as all is copper. I dont need a thin rad, I think i have plenty of space on the top of my case but it has to be a 280 and not 360mm
  2. Can you recommend a decently priced pump/res combo? Is going from 70 to 170 worth it? the VPP should have PWM afaik
  3. Aesthetics are not important for me, I just dont want a jet engine in my case :)
  4. What is the diameter of the hose dictated by?
My goal is not to have the best of the best but a good price / performance ratio and try something that I have never done before :)
First, why are you not shopping at Aquatuning?

1. Yea you can mix and match while keeping the metals similar. That said hell you can go all aluminum too, you just have to use proper coolant though that's not a direction I would go myself.
2. There are so many choices I don't get how you only see limited ones? For ex. the basic Laing 3.25 PWM for 70. Laing is the manufacturer of the DDC and D5 pumps. If you buy a branded pump, you are paying for their "name" crossbranding, literally just slapping their name on. I personally love the Swiftech 35x pump for Swiftech's pump top, however that pump is just a Laing 3.25 with Swiftech's pump top.
^^get that pump and get either a "proper" top or an integrated top/reservoir setup.
3. You should also learn how to setup PWM profiles, it's not like normal. And you should know that on DDC PWM pumps which are basically DDC 3.25 pumps, get to their max efficiency at just over 50% duty cycle, so there's no need to goo higher unless one really like loud!
4. You have inner and outer dia, both are advertised. I use PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Flexible Tubing - 1/2in.ID x 3/4in.OD, it's effectively known at 3/4 tubing but that doesn't tell anyone what the inner dia is, so keep that in mind.
 
Checked with alphacool support since they seemed easily reachable and they recommended TPV hoses for servers:



For coolant I also found this on their site which seems to be half the price what @dgianstefani mentioned and ticks all boxes. The innovatek I could not find in stock here and regarding Mayhem this is mentioned on their site:



And looking at this review VPP755 does not seem so bad. Only issue seems to be that it's not real PWM controlled but has 5 steps which I don't see to be a big issue. I also found another waterblock on aliexpress for 40 euros cheaper but never heard of this brand Bykski and I am kind of put off buying it from ali. It seems that this and alphacool are the only 2 blocks available for my 3070.

Radiator then I think I will go for the Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTX 280 (or GTS 280 if I have clearance issues).
The aurora line of products from Mayhem is pastel coolant hence the 14 day warranty. The X1 I suggested is clear coolant with no suspended particles designed to be used continously.

I could take the time to explain how all a "5 step" pump does is add a point of failure compared to simple PWM control, and how two different people have recommended you do not get that and suggested an alternative. But you seem more interested in ignoring what two different people have advised, which is to not cut costs with custom watercooling - buy for life, or don't waste your time and use an AIO or air cooling.

Custom watercooling is not something you should do to save money, and there are many shitty products out there that still sell because uninformed people think "well it's cheaper and is the same thing right". You are a watercooling newbie on a tech forum asking for help, which is smart. What is not smart is ignoring the consensus of what people here are saving because you want the best of both worlds, to save a buck and to have a custom loop.

From what I found online this is based on V1 and V2. V3 does not seem to be so talked about (either because no one buys it anymore or it has no issues :) ) The housing thou seems to be the same so I should be able to replace the pump later if it fails, correct?
A pump failure is not a small thing in a custom loop. It can mechanically break, sending pieces of itself through the rest of the loop and clogging or damaging other components, such as an expensive waterblock or even damage the tubing, leading to a leak.

There are many good reasons why we are suggesting the models/brands that we are, and you would have a better experience if you trusted that maybe we know what we're talking about.
 
Why is he obsessed with that shit pump when you can get a real Laing DDC 3.25 from aquatuning for 70 euro? I should add one can get the base D5 for same money as well.
 
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Some people like to ask for advice then go on to continue making all their own choices regardless of the advice given.
 
Why is he obsessed with that shit pump when you can get a real Laing DDC 3.25 from aquatuning for 70 euro? I should add one can get the base D5 for same money as well.
Maybe because the combo cost 100€ and buying it separately would cost more?

I wanted to suggest this:
 
Maybe because the combo cost 100€ and buying it separately would cost more?

I wanted to suggest this:
Whose got a gun to your head to buy that? Don't bs and leave out that you choose that combo. I'm not a fan of D5`s that said they can be run cheaply or costly, it's up to the buyer so I find it disingenuous to imply the costly option is the only option.
 
Read my specs lmao.

Op would be better off spending 15 minutes replacing the thermal paste with some high quality stuff like kryonaut or nt-h2, typically see a 5c improvement from the crap they use at the factory for low end cards.

Lower temps mean slower fans.

Would suggest re-reading the original post, the OP made no mention of:

Increasing performance
Needing a Faster GPU
Lowing GPU temps
Installing aftermarket air cooling

None of the answers you provided will do anything to address his stated goal .... reducing noise... The AIO is louder than the factory solution.

Now for the OP ... two things wanna say up front:

A. What was the best 3 years, 2 years, 6 months ago is not likely to be the best today.

B. Best varies by necessity for each individual's goals ... maximizing cooling performance is a goal ... reducing noise is a goal ... aesthetics is a goal.... functionality is a goal ... no product is *best* in all these areas.

I would recommend moving away from / ignoring a couple of common mindsets:

1. All components should come from the same manufacturer... among experienced WC'ers, this pretty much never happens.

2. What was the best and brightest in one year, will not likely hold that position a couple of years down the line. This applies greater to GPUs than the WC components themselves. For example, looking at GPU reviews ... up thru the nvidia 600 series, Asus was go to manufacturer that usually had the best performance ... since then, performance wise, it's been MSI winning the title in TPU reviews with smaller guys trading place behind them. EVGA is oft considered to be a quality manufacturer but they have the highest number by far of failed designs. The VRMs on their 570 often fried, the heat sink on the 970 ... 1/3 of it "missed" the GPU The 10xx series had excessive failures, even fires, because they cheaped out and didn't include thermal pads.

3. Watercooling isn't always about improving performance, for me it's about noise reduction ... seems this is your major concern. So water cooling a card is never pointless. No card needs to be worthy of WCing. A 3080 on a box w/ a 1080p monitor can only be described as supreme overkill. But there's no reason any card should not be made quieter id it'sd annoying the user. If my svreen goes dark and i can hear that the sytem is on, I'm gonna want to throw it out the window. But performance should always be a consideration, if not the primary consideration

The go to source for WC components back when we doing a lot of WCing was martinsLiquidlab ... but martin "retired" several years ago (partial site still up) ... you will notice there that AlphaCool has the highest performance ratinmg there, but those are old numbers. A great sources for tests and reviews is overclock.net ... not necessarily published there but oft quoted in the forums. But even these reviews are lacking because lotta things they don't go into detail on. Another thing about forum opinions; if you ask in forums about pickup trucks, you will find that there are Ford guys, Dodge Guys and Chevy guys. Stacks of data and reports that go against their preconceived notions handed down from father to son will not ever change anyone's mind. Anecdotal evidence from the family's teeny sample size, will always outweigh published data sets invorelving thousands of trucks. The same is true w/ PCs ... when a person gets involved in building PCs, the advice they get in that 1st year of forum activity often sticks forever. The most common example is the refence to "needing high SP fans" ... In the 90s where rads were thick and had 30 fpi ... yeah, we used high SP fans to overcome the thickness and tight fin spacing. With today's slim and low to medium fin spacings, it is no longer a "real" thing"... the higher rpm of high SP fans just adds noise and you are limited at low speeds. A 2000 rpm fan will dottom out at about 500 rpm.

Things to consider:

A. Radiators

a) Some rads have 2 ports, others have 7 which provides much greater routing flexibility, especially when using rigid acrylic tubing
b) Some rads have screw protectors, some don't ... good safety feature, especially for 1st timers
c) Some rads are not cleaned very well after assembly
d) Are you going to use a chemical cleaning kit or manufactured coolants ?
e) Thickness matters .... not only does increased thickness mean some extra performance, but it also dictates the fan type and rpm you want to use.
f) The 1st law of water cooling is no dissimilar metals ... go all copper or all aluminum, later is as good thermally but if budget does not allow you can buy safe, all alumium cooling systems. Don't recommend it, but galvanic corrosion is not an issue as laong as all metals are same.
Did you run the calcs to determine radiator size ?

Given the above, the best performance, best aesthetics, best functionality all mean choosing a different radiator


B. Pump

a) In the past, when SLI'd GPUs was a no brainer cause twin x70s was 40% faster than single x80, we only used the Swiftech 35X2 dual pump system and piped the GPUs in parallel.
GPU manufacturers actually lost money with dial cards as there is more profit in selling the top end cards and as such have intentionally reduced the viability of this technolgy
and this option is no longer attractive. As such single pumps make more sense ... we use the Swiftech D5 / DDC variable speed variant.


C. Waterblock

a) This is mostly determined by the card you have.... EK generally has the widest number of cards supported.
b) Use "full cover" water blocks only. Avoid AIOs


D. Tubing

a) Depends on the fittings you use. We prefer rigid acrylic tubing so I don't want to make a recommendation here.


E. Fittings

a) We have always used Bitspower but that's mainly a function of array of choices, availability and wide product stack
b) For flex tubing, we recommend compression type over cheaper barb type.


F. Coolants

a) We prefer manufactured coolant where you get a concentrate and add distilled water.


G. Reservoir

a) We prefer separate reservoir over pump / res combos. This is the only place I generally use flexible tubing to provide vibration isolation between the pump and res.
b) Recommend leaving a space at top of res to allow visual indicatorof coolant level and allow for thermal expansion
c) use a "fill tube" such that return coolant to res us dicharged bekow the water line to preveny splashing which will entrain air in the coolant


H. Fans

a) Remember, your ONLY stated goal here is to reduce sound.
b) 140mm fans become audible at about 850 rpm
c) Fans are one of the best examples where the "presumed" best is based upon recommendations from a bygone era. For example, if you take the Noctua fans off a Noctua cooler, and replace them with Phanteks, your CPU temps drops by 6C. We always looked at martin's site to get fan perfomance data, but since he retired, it's harder to find ... one good site to check for noise issues is silentpcreview

Scroll down to the table at bottom of that last link and see the Performance / Noise ratio table and not the following quote:
"The Phanteks PH-F140HP/TS is the clear winner in every respect. It edged out the new Noctuas every step of the way, delivering the best overall results of any fan we’ve tested thus far. To top it off, it had cleanest, smoothest sound of all the new fans in this roundup. If we had to start from scratch, this might be our new reference model." These are SP (standard pressure) fans, the HP/TS designation refers to frame type as when mounting a 140mm fan on a 120mm cooler and it lines up with cooler screw holes.

d) Another long held mindset is PWM fans rule. Improvements over the last decade have rendered such "truisms" obsolete. PWM's weakness was low speed hum but that has since been eliminated, of course they remain very expensive compared to DCV fans. DCV fans weakness was that if called to run at low speed froma dead stop, they didn't have anough torque to overecome intertua and get the fan moving. Todays DCV fans are designed to 'start" at a higher voltage and then ramp it down once intertia is overcome. A PWM control feature for DCV fans is available on mny fan hubs and game Mobos.
e) Follow manufacturer's recommendations and ***ALWAYS*** install rad fans as intakes. The mindset that cooling your components with air preheated by with hotter internal air rejects all the laws of thermodynamics. Every cubic inch of air entering the cost MUST exit the case. And, even if it were true, if there is a component of concern with respect to the interior case air being warmer, why doesn't that component get a block ? You put a block on ya GPU /CPU because it's getting hotter than you want it to .... and / or ya want to reduce noise. Trust that the manufacturer of the components knows more abouyt how they best perform than the home builder who builds a system every 3-4 years..

Corsair AIO Fans.jpg


I. TIM

a) The best TIM for CPUs is generally not the best for GPUs. With a CPU, you have one small surface ... with GFX Card ...you can sometimes need to apply to GPU, Memory Chips and VRMs ... sometimes also requiring application on the side of the backplates. See attaced PDF

Again, other than fans .... what manufacturer you want depends on what aspects are important to you ... A 1st timer might be best served w/ Alphacool rads with screw protectors ... Someone concerned with aesthetics may be drawn to the finish on Hardware Labs. Some one concerned with aesthetic arrangement or tubing might lean toward Alphacool's 7 ports.

Control System for our test box:
CPU MoBo Header ==> 1st Pump Motor
CPU_OPT MoBo Header ==> 1st Pump Motor
CHA_1 Header==> PWM / DCV Fan Hub 1 ==> (6) DCV fans on 420 rad
CHA_2 Header==> PWM / DCV Fan Hub 2 ==> (4) DCV fans on 280 rad
CHA_3 Header==> PWM / DCV Fan Hub 3 ==> (6) DCV case fans

Channel 0 for the fan motors sees a range from 2200 - 4400 rpm
Channel 1 - 3 have a manual range from 325 - 650 rpm
Channel 1 - 3 have see a typical range from 375 - 825 rpm when stress testing
Channel 1 - 3 have see a typical range from 375 - 625 rpm when gaming
Channel 1 - 3 shut off when curve calls for less than 375 rpm
Fan speeds are dampened by ramping up to speed over 10 seconds
Rad Fans are dampened by ramping down over 90 seconds to remove latent coolant heat
Case Fans are dampened down by ramping down over 90 seconds to remove latent coolant heat

The system is completely inaudible, GPU temps are 42C at 650 rpm ... also have since removed the push fans from the origonal push pull arrangement and droppe 3 case fans. Most times, if not gaming or stress testing, all fans turn off.
 

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Whose got a gun to your head to buy that? Don't bs and leave out that you choose that combo.
Used that Combo in some previous Builds an they always worked great and was thinking to buy one for my current Build but lucky me today i found one of my old Pump + Res combo that i bought back in December 2016

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I will remove the pump order a reservoir for it and saved a few €
 
Hey guys I like the discussion, nice replies here and also trying to make my own research online. One thing about me, I like price/performance sweet points and don't aim for top of the line which is why I ask is a D5 combo worth 2.5 times as much. @dgianstefani not all needs to be top of the line but you are right, some components should not be skimped at (eg.psu) or I guess pump in this case.
Why is he obsessed with that shit pump when you can get a real Laing DDC 3.25 from aquatuning for 70 euro? I should add one can get the base D5 for same money as well.
That's just the pump whereas the one I chose was pump + res combo for the same price. Can you recommend a pump + res combo that are compatible like @Knoxx29 did? Also are you saying his combo is not good? The VP655 is a D5 pump right? I looked into aquatuning and planned to get the rad in there (if they have stock)
Would suggest re-reading the original post, the OP made no mention of:

Increasing performance
Needing a Faster GPU
Lowing GPU temps
Installing aftermarket air cooling

None of the answers you provided will do anything to address his stated goal .... reducing noise... The AIO is louder than the factory solution.

Now for the OP ... two things wanna say up front:

A. What was the best 3 years, 2 years, 6 months ago is not likely to be the best today.

B. Best varies by necessity for each individual's goals ... maximizing cooling performance is a goal ... reducing noise is a goal ... aesthetics is a goal.... functionality is a goal ... no product is *best* in all these areas.

I would recommend moving away from / ignoring a couple of common mindsets:

1. All components should come from the same manufacturer... among experienced WC'ers, this pretty much never happens.

2. What was the best and brightest in one year, will not likely hold that position a couple of years down the line. This applies greater to GPUs than the WC components themselves. For example, looking at GPU reviews ... up thru the nvidia 600 series, Asus was go to manufacturer that usually had the best performance ... since then, performance wise, it's been MSI winning the title in TPU reviews with smaller guys trading place behind them. EVGA is oft considered to be a quality manufacturer but they have the highest number by far of failed designs. The VRMs on their 570 often fried, the heat sink on the 970 ... 1/3 of it "missed" the GPU The 10xx series had excessive failures, even fires, because they cheaped out and didn't include thermal pads.

3. Watercooling isn't always about improving performance, for me it's about noise reduction ... seems this is your major concern. So water cooling a card is never pointless. No card needs to be worthy of WCing. A 3080 on a box w/ a 1080p monitor can only be described as supreme overkill. But there's no reason any card should not be made quieter id it'sd annoying the user. If my svreen goes dark and i can hear that the sytem is on, I'm gonna want to throw it out the window. But performance should always be a consideration, if not the primary consideration

The go to source for WC components back when we doing a lot of WCing was martinsLiquidlab ... but martin "retired" several years ago (partial site still up) ... you will notice there that AlphaCool has the highest performance ratinmg there, but those are old numbers. A great sources for tests and reviews is overclock.net ... not necessarily published there but oft quoted in the forums. But even these reviews are lacking because lotta things they don't go into detail on. Another thing about forum opinions; if you ask in forums about pickup trucks, you will find that there are Ford guys, Dodge Guys and Chevy guys. Stacks of data and reports that go against their preconceived notions handed down from father to son will not ever change anyone's mind. Anecdotal evidence from the family's teeny sample size, will always outweigh published data sets invorelving thousands of trucks. The same is true w/ PCs ... when a person gets involved in building PCs, the advice they get in that 1st year of forum activity often sticks forever. The most common example is the refence to "needing high SP fans" ... In the 90s where rads were thick and had 30 fpi ... yeah, we used high SP fans to overcome the thickness and tight fin spacing. With today's slim and low to medium fin spacings, it is no longer a "real" thing"... the higher rpm of high SP fans just adds noise and you are limited at low speeds. A 2000 rpm fan will dottom out at about 500 rpm.

Things to consider:

A. Radiators

a) Some rads have 2 ports, others have 7 which provides much greater routing flexibility, especially when using rigid acrylic tubing
b) Some rads have screw protectors, some don't ... good safety feature, especially for 1st timers
c) Some rads are not cleaned very well after assembly
d) Are you going to use a chemical cleaning kit or manufactured coolants ?
e) Thickness matters .... not only does increased thickness mean some extra performance, but it also dictates the fan type and rpm you want to use.
f) The 1st law of water cooling is no dissimilar metals ... go all copper or all aluminum, later is as good thermally but if budget does not allow you can buy safe, all alumium cooling systems. Don't recommend it, but galvanic corrosion is not an issue as laong as all metals are same.
Did you run the calcs to determine radiator size ?

Given the above, the best performance, best aesthetics, best functionality all mean choosing a different radiator


B. Pump

a) In the past, when SLI'd GPUs was a no brainer cause twin x70s was 40% faster than single x80, we only used the Swiftech 35X2 dual pump system and piped the GPUs in parallel.
GPU manufacturers actually lost money with dial cards as there is more profit in selling the top end cards and as such have intentionally reduced the viability of this technolgy
and this option is no longer attractive. As such single pumps make more sense ... we use the Swiftech D5 / DDC variable speed variant.


C. Waterblock

a) This is mostly determined by the card you have.... EK generally has the widest number of cards supported.
b) Use "full cover" water blocks only. Avoid AIOs


D. Tubing

a) Depends on the fittings you use. We prefer rigid acrylic tubing so I don't want to make a recommendation here.


E. Fittings

a) We have always used Bitspower but that's mainly a function of array of choices, availability and wide product stack
b) For flex tubing, we recommend compression type over cheaper barb type.


F. Coolants

a) We prefer manufactured coolant where you get a concentrate and add distilled water.


G. Reservoir

a) We prefer separate reservoir over pump / res combos. This is the only place I generally use flexible tubing to provide vibration isolation between the pump and res.
b) Recommend leaving a space at top of res to allow visual indicatorof coolant level and allow for thermal expansion
c) use a "fill tube" such that return coolant to res us dicharged bekow the water line to preveny splashing which will entrain air in the coolant


H. Fans

a) Remember, your ONLY stated goal here is to reduce sound.
b) 140mm fans become audible at about 850 rpm
c) Fans are one of the best examples where the "presumed" best is based upon recommendations from a bygone era. For example, if you take the Noctua fans off a Noctua cooler, and replace them with Phanteks, your CPU temps drops by 6C. We always looked at martin's site to get fan perfomance data, but since he retired, it's harder to find ... one good site to check for noise issues is silentpcreview

Scroll down to the table at bottom of that last link and see the Performance / Noise ratio table and not the following quote:
"The Phanteks PH-F140HP/TS is the clear winner in every respect. It edged out the new Noctuas every step of the way, delivering the best overall results of any fan we’ve tested thus far. To top it off, it had cleanest, smoothest sound of all the new fans in this roundup. If we had to start from scratch, this might be our new reference model." These are SP (standard pressure) fans, the HP/TS designation refers to frame type as when mounting a 140mm fan on a 120mm cooler and it lines up with cooler screw holes.

d) Another long held mindset is PWM fans rule. Improvements over the last decade have rendered such "truisms" obsolete. PWM's weakness was low speed hum but that has since been eliminated, of course they remain very expensive compared to DCV fans. DCV fans weakness was that if called to run at low speed froma dead stop, they didn't have anough torque to overecome intertua and get the fan moving. Todays DCV fans are designed to 'start" at a higher voltage and then ramp it down once intertia is overcome. A PWM control feature for DCV fans is available on mny fan hubs and game Mobos.
e) Follow manufacturer's recommendations and ***ALWAYS*** install rad fans as intakes. The mindset that cooling your components with air preheated by with hotter internal air rejects all the laws of thermodynamics. Every cubic inch of air entering the cost MUST exit the case. And, even if it were true, if there is a component of concern with respect to the interior case air being warmer, why doesn't that component get a block ? You put a block on ya GPU /CPU because it's getting hotter than you want it to .... and / or ya want to reduce noise. Trust that the manufacturer of the components knows more abouyt how they best perform than the home builder who builds a system every 3-4 years..

View attachment 188915

I. TIM

a) The best TIM for CPUs is generally not the best for GPUs. With a CPU, you have one small surface ... with GFX Card ...you can sometimes need to apply to GPU, Memory Chips and VRMs ... sometimes also requiring application on the side of the backplates. See attaced PDF

Again, other than fans .... what manufacturer you want depends on what aspects are important to you ... A 1st timer might be best served w/ Alphacool rads with screw protectors ... Someone concerned with aesthetics may be drawn to the finish on Hardware Labs. Some one concerned with aesthetic arrangement or tubing might lean toward Alphacool's 7 ports.

Control System for our test box:
CPU MoBo Header ==> 1st Pump Motor
CPU_OPT MoBo Header ==> 1st Pump Motor
CHA_1 Header==> PWM / DCV Fan Hub 1 ==> (6) DCV fans on 420 rad
CHA_2 Header==> PWM / DCV Fan Hub 2 ==> (4) DCV fans on 280 rad
CHA_3 Header==> PWM / DCV Fan Hub 3 ==> (6) DCV case fans

Channel 0 for the fan motors sees a range from 2200 - 4400 rpm
Channel 1 - 3 have a manual range from 325 - 650 rpm
Channel 1 - 3 have see a typical range from 375 - 825 rpm when stress testing
Channel 1 - 3 have see a typical range from 375 - 625 rpm when gaming
Channel 1 - 3 shut off when curve calls for less than 375 rpm
Fan speeds are dampened by ramping up to speed over 10 seconds
Rad Fans are dampened by ramping down over 90 seconds to remove latent coolant heat
Case Fans are dampened down by ramping down over 90 seconds to remove latent coolant heat

The system is completely inaudible, GPU temps are 42C at 650 rpm ... also have since removed the push fans from the origonal push pull arrangement and droppe 3 case fans. Most times, if not gaming or stress testing, all fans turn off.
Very nice quality post. Need to digest it. Btw just an example I was planning to go with Arctic instead of Noctua with fans because they are offer almost the same performance at half the price
 
Would suggest re-reading the original post, the OP made no mention of:

Increasing performance
Needing a Faster GPU
Lowing GPU temps
Installing aftermarket air cooling

None of the answers you provided will do anything to address his stated goal .... reducing noise... The AIO is louder than the factory solution.
You think deshrouding and replacing 90mm 6500rpm fans on a budget gpu cooler with 120mm 4000rpm (max) noctuas/p12s wouldn't result in improved noise levels? Let alone improving TIM. Who is talking about an aio? The only aio mentioned here is the one he already has on his CPU.

20 celcius improvement in temperature and 4dBA improvement in noise from this mod, without even improving the TIM.


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Hey guys I like the discussion, nice replies here and also trying to make my own research online. One thing about me, I like price/performance sweet points and don't aim for top of the line which is why I ask is a D5 combo worth 2.5 times as much. @dgianstefani not all needs to be top of the line but you are right, some components should not be skimped at (eg.psu) or I guess pump in this case.

That's just the pump whereas the one I chose was pump + res combo for the same price. Can you recommend a pump + res combo that are compatible like @Knoxx29 did? Also are you saying his combo is not good? The VP655 is a D5 pump right? I looked into aquatuning and planned to get the rad in there (if they have stock)

Very nice quality post. Need to digest it. Btw just an example I was planning to go with Arctic instead of Noctua with fans because they are offer almost the same performance at half the price
I was referring to the 755 pump and as I wrote earlier I'd avoid that pump. The 655 is a rebranded D5 pump. D5 pumps are very reliable and fairly cheap in basic trim however there are many trims out there. The branded 655 is a bare pump, meaning you have to add all of the other options to it and that's where the D5's get a bit crazy cost wise and buyers of that pump go into it with that intention for the bling. His choice of combos is not good nor bad it's just expensive and that is a user choice. One could buy the basic D5 which comes with a top and plumb that into a standalone reservoir and be up and running but it's objectively ugly and thus we get into all the blingy options which is what was picked.

If you're asking which I'd pick, I already wrote that I'd go with the Laing DDC 3.25 because its much stronger than the D5 and has PWM which the base D5 doesn't have. D5's are more expensive as a starting base all things considered. That said if you want to go with a D5, you can get the 655 with PWM then add either a top or top/res combo (since Aqua only have the bare PWM D5's on offer) and from there it can get expensive so you just have to be aware of those choices.
 
I was referring to the 755 pump and as I wrote earlier I'd avoid that pump. The 655 is a rebranded D5 pump. D5 pumps are very reliable and fairly cheap in basic trim however there are many trims out there. The branded 655 is a bare pump, meaning you have to add all of the other options to it and that's where the D5's get a bit crazy cost wise and buyers of that pump go into it with that intention for the bling. His choice of combos is not good nor bad it's just expensive and that is a user choice. One could buy the basic D5 which comes with a top and plumb that into a standalone reservoir and be up and running but it's objectively ugly and thus we get into all the blingy options which is what was picked.

If you're asking which I'd pick, I already wrote that I'd go with the Laing DDC 3.25 because its much stronger than the D5 and has PWM which the base D5 doesn't have. D5's are more expensive as a starting base all things considered. That said if you want to go with a D5, you can get the 655 with PWM then add either a top or top/res combo (since Aqua only have the bare PWM D5's on offer) and from there it can get expensive so you just have to be aware of those choices.
I dont care about esthetics in that sense and was under the impression that the D5 is more powerful. So can you link a pump + top/res combo from aquatuning?
 
I dont care about esthetics in that sense and was under the impression that the D5 is more powerful. So can you link a pump + top/res combo from aquatuning?
Yea D5's are not stronger, they have much less head pressure. As I linked before you can get a DDC 3.25 for 70 euro and add to it any reservoir like for ex the Bylski tube res for 30 euro. That's all that's needed on a basic level. I don't really use combo top/res setups cuz they add noise by coupling the DDC pump to the res, which gets mounted to case which then transfers vibrations to case.


In my personal setups I always go for the Swifdtech MCP-35x pump because it uses Swiftech's superior pump top. I then add a heatsink housing to it and add whatever reservoir to it. For ex below, my kids loop. 35x pump+heatsink housing mated to ek res x2. In the above example to your question of what pump setup it'd be Laing 3.25+Bylski tube reservoir, that would be a basic setup that achieves 95% of the same performance. If I was on a budget I would go that route, if I had more budget I'd add better top and a heatsink housing.

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I'll add a pic of my setup until recently which is again 35x+singularity overpriced reservoir plus heatsink housing. I'll use combo top/res setups from time to time but generally prefer to use them seperately.

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I dont care about esthetics in that sense and was under the impression that the D5 is more powerful. So can you link a pump + top/res combo from aquatuning?
Hi,
D5's rule 100% mine are quiet and I run dual pwm D5's on two rigs couple foot away from me
Another rig I have D5 vario it too is quiet but has a 5 speed manual dial to adjust it's speed the difference between vario and pwm D5's plus 1500 l/m

Noise comes from using too many 90 degree fittings.
 
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