Design Issues May Postpone Launch of NVIDIA's Advanced Blackwell AI Chips

[Dr. Dro]

You do realize that the MI300 is AMD's fastest ramping product in its entire product history? Their data center GPU's sold so well in Q2 that they changed their market forecast by 500 million dollars. People are buying them and will continue to buy them because they perform really well. Nvidia failing to secure demand is more potential market share for AMD.

It is and it is not enough to dethrone or even dent Nvidia's business. It's huge. Zluda (CUDA interpreter for ROCm/HIP) has no future ahead of it due to CUDA licensing terms blocking it

Nvidia bans using translation layers for CUDA software — previously the prohibition was only listed in the online EULA, now included in installed files [Updated]

Translators in the crosshairs.

www.tomshardware.com

I'm not disputing the fact that AMD made some wonderful processors with recent Instinct chips, it's just that the software isn't and won't be there. Not until an open-source solution which is more flexible and performant than OpenCL comes to exist. Some newer AI software for training and inference has been written for Radeon given that Instincts perform so wonderfully, but it remains that CUDA software is still superior, corporations are risk averse, and Nvidia's toolkit is just better.

 

[GoldenX]

Everyone slept on Cuda for far too long.

 

[AusWolf]

There was only 1 Govt that triggered that.

It always takes two to tango. Let's take the rest in PMs if you want to discuss further.

 

[R-T-B]

Bitcoin is still at $60K and I can see it reach 70-80k in september as the fed lowers interest rates
we're not hearing as much about it as say 2 years ago but crypto is still a thing.

now if you had said NFT's...

But can anyone use it as a payment system?

Nah they just became too poor from to afford an internet connection to tell everyone that the crypto ponzi scheme is the future.

Man, thats naive as hell.

 

[adramtech]

"As we've stated before, Hopper demand is very strong, broad Blackwell sampling has started, and production is on track to ramp in the second half," an Nvidia spokesperson said in an emailed statement in response to the report."

 

[Kapone33]

It always takes two to tango. Let's take the rest in PMs if you want to discuss further.

Sure no problem

 

[Sound_Card]

It is and it is not enough to dethrone or even dent Nvidia's business. It's huge. Zluda (CUDA interpreter for ROCm/HIP) has no future ahead of it due to CUDA licensing terms blocking it

Nvidia bans using translation layers for CUDA software — previously the prohibition was only listed in the online EULA, now included in installed files [Updated]

Translators in the crosshairs.

www.tomshardware.com

I'm not disputing the fact that AMD made some wonderful processors with recent Instinct chips, it's just that the software isn't and won't be there. Not until an open-source solution which is more flexible and performant than OpenCL comes to exist. Some newer AI software for training and inference has been written for Radeon given that Instincts perform so wonderfully, but it remains that CUDA software is still superior, corporations are risk averse, and Nvidia's toolkit is just better.

CUDA and their behavior regarding it is one of the reasons why they are being investigated by the DOJ. And the fact that it's not the FTC, but the DOJ, is pretty telling.

Their anti-competitive practices go largely unseen and unpunished when it's just PC gaming cards (focus group members pretending to be normal people, TWIMTBP pressuring developers, bullying tech reviewers, cheating image quality - such as texture filtering) but it seems outside the diabetic gaming market, there are consequences.

 

[nguyen]

CUDA and their behavior regarding it is one of the reasons why they are being investigated by the DOJ. And the fact that it's not the FTC, but the DOJ, is pretty telling.

Their anti-competitive practices go largely unseen and unpunished when it's just PC gaming cards (focus group members pretending to be normal people, TWIMTBP pressuring developers, bullying tech reviewers, cheating image quality - such as texture filtering) but it seems outside the diabetic gaming market, there are consequences.

Oh boy you sure still live in 2006 where ATI had better texture filtering .

I'm sure diabetic gaming market only applies to the US though

 

[Dr. Dro]

CUDA and their behavior regarding it is one of the reasons why they are being investigated by the DOJ. And the fact that it's not the FTC, but the DOJ, is pretty telling.

Their anti-competitive practices go largely unseen and unpunished when it's just PC gaming cards (focus group members pretending to be normal people, TWIMTBP pressuring developers, bullying tech reviewers, cheating image quality - such as texture filtering) but it seems outside the diabetic gaming market, there are consequences.

I was half in agreement until the conspiracy theories started. You see, it all started when ATI cheated at Quake III back in 2000. Unforgivable. This legitimate grievance of mine generated a grudge that will last a hundred years. A hundred!

 

[Sound_Card]

Where is the conspiracy theory? The Focus group was exposed many years ago (AEG marketing) and the members caught started putting ''Nvidia Focus group member'' in their sig. I personally, know a couple of these former members, and I am fully aware how it works. More than likely, you may have been groomed by a stealth marketer in the past. Also, the age of forums like this are in the twilight. Most of their stealth marketing aggression is pushed on YouTube, and other social media platforms, as well as reddit.

 

[nguyen]

Where is the conspiracy theory? The Focus group was exposed many years ago (AEG marketing) and the members caught started putting ''Nvidia Focus group member'' in their sig. I personally, know a couple of these former members, and I am fully aware how it works. More than likely, you may have been groomed by a stealth marketer in the past.

Oh boy, how about Red Team plus member, oh and AMD vanguard where they got beta testers for free LOL

AMD Allegedly Provided Early Access Purchase Codes For Radeon RX 6000 Series GPUs To Social Media Influencers

AMD released their Radeon RX 6000 Series GPUs today in a disastrously bad launch. Now, many are coming forward and saying that social media influencers were given preferential treatment over average customers.

happygamer.com

 

[Hecate91]

Oh boy, how about Red Team plus member, oh and AMD vanguard where they got beta testers for free LOL
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AMD Allegedly Provided Early Access Purchase Codes For Radeon RX 6000 Series GPUs To Social Media Influencers

AMD released their Radeon RX 6000 Series GPUs today in a disastrously bad launch. Now, many are coming forward and saying that social media influencers were given preferential treatment over average customers.

happygamer.com

A membership to pre-order cards and beta driver testing for feedback, oh wow such an anti-competitive tactic! /s

 

[JustBenching]

I was half in agreement until the conspiracy theories started. You see, it all started when ATI cheated at Quake III back in 2000. Unforgivable. This legitimate grievance of mine generated a grudge that will last a hundred years. A hundred!

Oh come on now, that's why AMD bought ATI, they saw the immorality and wanted to fix them.

 

[Sound_Card]

Oh boy, how about Red Team plus member, oh and AMD vanguard where they got beta testers for free LOL
View attachment 357508

AMD Allegedly Provided Early Access Purchase Codes For Radeon RX 6000 Series GPUs To Social Media Influencers

AMD released their Radeon RX 6000 Series GPUs today in a disastrously bad launch. Now, many are coming forward and saying that social media influencers were given preferential treatment over average customers.

happygamer.com

A membership to buy graphics cards early ... How old are you?

 

[nguyen]

A membership to buy graphics cards early ... How old are you?

More like social media influencers, which is 10x worse than any focus group

 

[Dr. Dro]

Oh boy, how about Red Team plus member, oh and AMD vanguard where they got beta testers for free LOL
View attachment 357508

AMD Allegedly Provided Early Access Purchase Codes For Radeon RX 6000 Series GPUs To Social Media Influencers

AMD released their Radeon RX 6000 Series GPUs today in a disastrously bad launch. Now, many are coming forward and saying that social media influencers were given preferential treatment over average customers.

happygamer.com

To be honest, the Vanguard program is easily the single best thing that AMD, or any GPU manufacturer for that matter, has ever come up with, and it's more than half the reason why I want an RDNA 4 graphics card. I've been a member since 2018 - and while some differences led me away from the red team for some time, it is my strong belief that the single reason why Radeon isn't literally dead by now is those folks. If you think it's bad as things stand, you have no idea my friend. No idea at all. I have only respect for the people who participate and the developers there that are upkeeping the program.

I miss participating and if I had any regret on giving up on the 7900 XTX - it's related to this, at the time I just wasn't prepared to take that risk. As long as the 8900 XTX or whatever RDNA 4 product they release performs to the same standard as the 7900 XTX or my RTX 4080, as long as it's priced right, I will become active and involved there again. Shame the ASUS ROG folks only release GeForce cards, but I'm sure Sapphire will release a nice Nitro+ card in white for me.

 

[nguyen]

To be honest, the Vanguard program is easily the single best thing that AMD, or any GPU manufacturer for that matter, has ever come up with, and it's more than half the reason why I want an RDNA 4 graphics card. I've been a member since 2018 - and while some differences led me away from the red team for some time, it is my strong belief that the single reason why Radeon isn't literally dead by now is those folks. If you think it's bad as things stand, you have no idea my friend. No idea at all. I have only respect for the people who participate and the developers there that are upkeeping the program.

I miss participating and if I had any regret on giving up on the 7900 XTX - it's related to this, at the time I just wasn't prepared to take that risk. As long as the 8900 XTX or whatever RDNA 4 product they release performs to the same standard as the 7900 XTX or my RTX 4080, as long as it's priced right, I will become active and involved there again. Shame the ASUS ROG folks only release GeForce cards, but I'm sure Sapphire will release a nice Nitro+ card in white for me.

Well if you like beta testing for mega corporation for free, instead of actually playing game, who am I to judge

Though why aren't you doing that for Intel ARC , we need a third player in GPU market

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well if you like beta testing for mega corporation for free, instead of actually playing game, who am I to judge

Though why aren't you doing that for Intel ARC , we need a third player in GPU market

I don't see it that way. It's a voluntary thing and it is not like we don't get something in return. As enthusiasts, having direct access to the driver developers is invaluable, and members often receive early access to new features ahead of time. I've had the opportunity to play around with development builds, press drivers, etc. - it was a lot of fun.

It's a good thing you brought up ARC. The person who created the Vanguard program left to work at Intel, and I hear they have done something similar over there. Battlemage looks juicy. If Intel prices it right, might have to pick one up sometime. However, 4070 Ti target performance is a bit underwhelming for me. I need more.

 

[AusWolf]

Well if you like beta testing for mega corporation for free, instead of actually playing game, who am I to judge

Though why aren't you doing that for Intel ARC , we need a third player in GPU market

Isn't buying the newest, shiniest stuff technically beta testing these days anyway? Within a partner program, at least you get to provide feedback.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

More like social media influencers, which is 10x worse than any focus group
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You say influence, I say effluence.

 

[nguyen]

I don't see it that way. It's a voluntary thing and it is not like we don't get something in return. As enthusiasts, having direct access to the driver developers is invaluable, and members often receive early access to new features ahead of time. I've had the opportunity to play around with development builds, press drivers, etc. - it was a lot of fun.

It's a good thing you brought up ARC. The person who created the Vanguard program left to work at Intel, and I hear they have done something similar over there. Battlemage looks juicy. If Intel prices it right, might have to pick one up sometime. However, 4070 Ti target performance is a bit underwhelming for me. I need more.

Man I wish I had time to play with beta softwares, I still have hundreds of Steam backlogs and the upcoming Blackmyth Wukong to play .

4090 is just barely fast enough for 4K120 these days, 5090 can't come out soon enough

 

[AusWolf]

Man I wish I had time to play with beta softwares, I still have hundreds of Steam backlogs and the upcoming Blackmyth Wukong to play .

4090 is just barely fast enough for 4K120 these days, 5090 can't come out soon enough

You want a 5090 with day-1 drivers? Are you a beta tester or something?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Man I wish I had time to play with beta softwares, I still have hundreds of Steam backlogs and the upcoming Blackmyth Wukong to play .

4090 is just barely fast enough for 4K120 these days, 5090 can't come out soon enough

Dang, those newer games are really heavy if they're bringing a 4090 down that much. To get my 4080 to choke a bit I had to try running Star Rail at 8K. Then I only get 85 fps or so.

 

[nguyen]

You want a 5090 with day-1 drivers? Are you a beta tester or something?

LOL, Nvidia day-1 drivers = AMD day-1000 drivers

 

[AusWolf]

LOL, Nvidia day-1 drivers = AMD day-1000 drivers

That's besides the point. You can't laugh at people willingly beta testing products and providing valuable feedback, when you're blindly doing the same but without giving feedback.